That was mostly in the initial reviews of the mini and people here who assume that it was the case.
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Just 3% of U.S. iPhone Sales in March Quarter Were iPhone 13 Mini Models
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I love my 13 mini and will be sticking with it until Apple has a newer smaller phone. Being able to comfortably use my phone with 1 hand is important to me.
Have iPhone mini 12 and will buy mini 13. Will keep replacing mini 13 battery until new small size iPhone comes
It has consistently lived up to that in most battery tests as well. I also have a 13 Mini and a 12 in my household and anecdotally can attest to it being true.
No, the SE is an actual market. The mini was never going to be - not for that price and not with a name like “mini” - it implies lesser than. People buy Apple to show off, there’s nothing sexy about saying you have the “mini.” Doomed concept from the start.
Yet, the "mini 13" sale numbers are beating the new SE 2022 model in the latest months ?
I don't understand a non-pro iPhone Max. Many are saying that the reason for poor iPhone mini sales, is that it's not a Pro. Now they are gonna make a big phone, that's not a Pro. Would't that cause the same problem?. Why not just buy the Pro ?
I'm the proud owner of the iPhone 13 mini. If it had existed as an iPhone 13 Pro mini, I would have bought that. But only technical benefit of the Pro at the moment is optical zoom lens and 120hz display. I would gladly give that up, for a human sized hands phone. I use my iPad when at home anyway.
And before bashing poor battery. I depends on how you use your phone. When I'm away (longer than usual) knowing my battery would struggle, I have the MagSage battery pack with me. Perfect combo, no need for the extra weight, unless needed.
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Apples and oranges. And nonsense. There never was a MacBook or powerbook mini. Plus Laptops and tablets aren’t smartphones. Many people love compact laptops around 12/13 inches. But not below that.
People in general want big smartphone screens that’s why cheap big screen android phones sell and that’s why only 3% of iPhone buyers bought the mini and that’s why Apple is dropping that phone.
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People buy Apple to show off? It’s 2022, will you ever be able to accept that apples customers are simply satisfied?
Nobody cares these days what phone you have, you cannot show them off.
Charging $700 for a phone that is smaller than the industry standard was doomed from the start.
The SE is a market because its a $400 iPhone. Not because of any other attribute.
Hm, I know my fair share of people with 12mini and 13mini so it's odd. I suppose 3% of a huge number is still a huge number
Oh well Apple's gonna Apple, I like the old one-handed and pocket friendly phone size and will just stick with the 13mini for a few years until they inevitably throw us another bone
Oh well Apple's gonna Apple, I like the old one-handed and pocket friendly phone size and will just stick with the 13mini for a few years until they inevitably throw us another bone
Agree to disagree I guess. Not everybody spends every waking minute on their devices. I particularly liked the SE because it allowed one-handed operation to text back, to surf the web, read the news…it’s very ergonomical to use. The only major benefit to a larger screen is that it is easier to read walls of text, otherwise they’re really too big for our hands these days, IMO anyway…
Oh there is a very large segment of people who upgrade every year for the latest and greatest. It’s not necessary, it’s never been necessary. They do it because they don’t want to have a 3 generation old device and look outdated and/or cheap. There is a very large segment of Apple customers with this mindset, you’d have to be kidding yourself not to acknowledge that?
Edit: think about how many threads and posts you’ve seen regarding how “feminine” or “masculine” rose gold was when it first debuted. So many men on this forum creating posts asking if it was too feminine for them to own, if people would look at them strange. The same thing when the purple iPhone debuted.
You think any of those men would feel comfortable with a phone named “mini”? They’re at the water cooler with their friends - oh hey is that the new iPhone 25, Super Pro Max? Yeah Dave, I love it! What is that you’re using? Oh, it’s the iPhone mini. Oh, mini huh? Couldn’t afford the Super Max Pro?
I mean, with a ridiculous name like mini + only a $100 discount over the standard flagship device = I have no idea what the hell Apple was thinking. It was never going to sell.
Why is a big phone a feature ?. In my mind, a small phone is also a feature. Having all that functionality in something that fits in your pocket, without looking like you're running round with a hard-on.
I think many peoples mindsets about a small phone has been twisted. Small does not equal cheap. Even a "big" phone is still too small to enjoy media on, that's why an iPad exists. So use your phone as intended, with the added features when needed.
I know many who have seen my mini, and said; "well, it's actually not that small". They were just opinionated beforehand. Three of those people actually bought the mini, after seeing mine.
So I am quite sad, that the mini leaves, but hope it will resurrect as the SE. Until then, I'm holding on to my mini.
I think many peoples mindsets about a small phone has been twisted. Small does not equal cheap. Even a "big" phone is still too small to enjoy media on, that's why an iPad exists. So use your phone as intended, with the added features when needed.
I know many who have seen my mini, and said; "well, it's actually not that small". They were just opinionated beforehand. Three of those people actually bought the mini, after seeing mine.
So I am quite sad, that the mini leaves, but hope it will resurrect as the SE. Until then, I'm holding on to my mini.
So 6% of users want a Mini, thus we must get rid of that.
How many users wanted the SE? The graph is crappy, but looks like 3% & 2%? So 5%
Let's ignore that smaller 5% marketshare and instead bang on about the 6% models being a failure. Also, lets troll the the users complaining about PWM, after all they are a loud minority whose chosen model failed to make big sales. We can't have that threatening our > 6 inch OLED master-race.
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In all honestly, this shows there's a demand for something 'in between' the Mini and the SE. The models make up 11% of iPhone sales, which would be a nice market for *a single device* and not four (well three going forward, I can't see the last SE staying around).
How many users wanted the SE? The graph is crappy, but looks like 3% & 2%? So 5%
Let's ignore that smaller 5% marketshare and instead bang on about the 6% models being a failure. Also, lets troll the the users complaining about PWM, after all they are a loud minority whose chosen model failed to make big sales. We can't have that threatening our > 6 inch OLED master-race.
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In all honestly, this shows there's a demand for something 'in between' the Mini and the SE. The models make up 11% of iPhone sales, which would be a nice market for *a single device* and not four (well three going forward, I can't see the last SE staying around).
I will stick with the first generation Iphone SE for now, I want technology to disappear, I think the only hope if you want to stay on IOS is a flip phone that is miles better than the Galaxy Flip 3, if they can incorporate an even more functional cover screen, that would allow one to flip open less and less, it would truly help in cutting down screen time and helping to make technology disappear.
You are overthinking this.
First that’s only a forum discussion and second the same plot discussion applies to any phone, cheap or high end. Has nothing to do with the “mini” naming btw.
Your made up conversation is nothing I ever experienced and I’d say I’m with a lot of people at work and in my free time as well. The mini users I kno bought it because they thought it could be handy to have a one handed phone. Btw they are nit very happy with battery life after a year.
The regular iPhone 12 was the one most people bought, then the pro max and then the others.
There is no sign that people try to show off, maybe some rich kids do that, I don’t know. But at a global scale there is no relevance.
Again as I said: people don’t want a small phone with high end features.
If the price difference was bigger than 100$ they probably would accept it as a compromise but Apple would be stupid to offer something like that.
Even if they had called it iPhone 5.4” instead of mini. Almost nobody wants that. People love big screens and are used to them for years now.
I’m into small form factor and great battery life. Unfortunately they are seemingly mutually exclusive because of space constraints, obviously. Just didn’t know it would be felt so prominently. Couldn’t believe when they finally launched one. And couldn’t believe I had to sacrifice it for battery since I would have to lose my case wallet to attach a battery. And even with a combo case wallet/battery brick, what’s the point of having a mini if you have to get a clunky case to compensate.
The iPhone SE outsold every version of the iPhone 12. They sold over 21 million units, it was the #2 selling smartphone of the entire year, of any/all manufacturers.
The name mini absolutely has something to do with it. Do you think product names are just chosen on a whim? There are people literally paid hundreds of thousands of dollars a year specifically for this purpose, choosing & researching product names and how customers respond to them. Mini Cooper, anyone? Remember that failed car? The name mini isn’t generally used in marketing purposes for a reason, if something is mini, that means there’s something larger. And Americans are all about size and status. I don’t believe that it’s overthinking it at all. Especially once you add in that it’s only a $100 discount from the standard flagship model. It was doomed from the start any way you look at it…
Sure it was doomed. As I said people (obviously 97%) don’t want a small screen high end phone and that’s exactly why the cheaper SE sold good and the mini didn’t. It’s just 100$ more to get a bigger screen and people payed that. Those who didn’t want to spend too much money on a phone are happy with the SE.
The Mini Cooper is a sh*tty car but as you said, Americans tend to like big cars - that’s why other small cars also aren’t selling that good.
But how does your statement fit your other statement: “There are people literally paid hundreds of thousands of dollars a year specifically for this purpose, choosing & researching product names and how customers respond to them”?
I didn't know that the Mini Cooper failed in the states
In the UK the Mini Cooper is a popular car. Here in Japan it's not people's first choice (domestic brands dominate, then the usual German brands), but it still has a reasonable presence.
94%... and the current SE looks even worse on the latest graph (if I am not confusing the colours). So you're focusing on the wrong thing... but the original post ignoring that means most people won't notice it.
The SE 2022... *2%* sales. Let me repeat that... the SE 2022 made up for TWO PERCENT of US sales. That's failed Mini? 50% more sales for the iPhone 12 mini in that period. Also, 50% more sales of the even more expensive "small screen high end phone" that "people obviously don't want" -- the iPhone 13 Mini.
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It's starting to become quite clear that budget buyers picked up the older SE when it came out (big sales figures) and aren't upgrading. I don't expect the majority of them would've bought the Mini (too expensive).
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I love everything about this post.
The Mini is TOO BIG. Disappointing sales are not an indictment of "small" phones, because the Mini ISN'T SMALL! Give me an iPhone 4/5-sized phone that I can operate fully with one hand, and without the cumbersome FaceID.
Couldn't have said that better!
As a 12 mini owner i really feel they dropped the ball on battery quality (and life) I've never seen a phone battery degrade so fast (83%) now and there really WAS (not IS) a problem with iOS (battery) optimization.
12 mini drew too much bad press on the battery life and 13 mini seemed spec wise not as much of an upgrade.
In real life people are very happy with it. As soon as the battery drops to 81% on this phone i go running for a 13 mini.
Having a daughter of high/secondary school age i can sure tell the bigger and newer the phone is the more status it gives for the glued to the hand generation. Also Apple surely is a status symbol brand.
Not for silly old grownups using -indeed - an iPhone mini but for large parts mini is just not sexy enough.
So many good reason to be pro mini but i realize it's an uphill battle. Wife (no battery issues) is super happy with it. I'm inclined to go for 13 mini. Size is key. Features are pro-enough.
Touch ID in power button would be nice for SE4