That is true, I don’t have a deeper understanding of that.
That’s why I’m baffled this is, according to you, the way to go.
Guess all the bad press is calculated in and anticipated, I just wonder why.
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That’s why I’m baffled this is, according to you, the way to go.
Guess all the bad press is calculated in and anticipated, I just wonder why.
That I also couldn’t figure out, the Preview app better only be a preview itself because if that’s the final design, yuck indeed.
I also, everytime I hear, read, think or say „yuck“ have Steve Jobs‘ voice in my mind
Indeed Steve loved that expression.That I also couldn’t figure out, the Preview app better only be a preview itself because if that’s the final design, yuck indeed.
I also, everytime I hear, read, think or say „yuck“ have Steve Jobs‘ voice in my mind
I know I can turn off transparency even in previous non betas
What’s the point in using an accessibility setting to „turn off“ the new design while making other things unnecessary ugly or not work correctly AND make the whole thing look worse than the 12 years before?
I know this goes without saying, but this is a dev beta whose purpose is to give developers access to the latest OS that they can develop and test against. It'll have all kinds of weird bugs (e.g., sometimes the Mail client will forget I can swipe left/right on messages to delete/mark-as-read and I need to restart Mail to re-enable that functionality). For a massive redesign with a strikingly different design language, yeah, it's absolutely, positively going to be awkward for a while.
The last major redesign of the interface was iOS 7, and those early dev betas were also pretty rough with plenty of visual breakdowns. It took quite a few dev betas to start to dial it in, and they spent the next 11 years fine tuning it. Give iOS 26 at least a few months.
There is a reason Apple gives a buffer between the developer and public beta. I’m surprised they even opened up developer betas to everyone who signs up for a free developer account last year.
Anyway, did you submit feedback using Apple’s feedback app? Criticizing the bugs and UI is valid. But unless you report those directly to Apple, this thread accomplishes nothing.
Anyway, did you submit feedback using Apple’s feedback app? Criticizing the bugs and UI is valid. But unless you report those directly to Apple, this thread accomplishes nothing.
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They actually did that with 16.4. And they did it because people were just downloading beta profiles to get in the beta anyway. And who knows if the profile you were getting was safe? More secure to just let everyone who wants in, in.
Does Apple take feedback outside of bugs? I’m not running the beta. I hope when the public beta drops some of these legibility issues will have been resolved.
I directed that to the OP. If they downgraded, I would’ve hoped they left feedback for Apple first.
Regarding your question, they do take feedback outside of bugs. I can bring up many examples, but this one comes to mind first-
This ugly Safari design almost made it to iOS 15. Now iOS 26’s Safari is similar, but better. There are things I would still change, but I’m sure we’ll get tweaks during the beta process. And they give you an option to go back to the old one. Or even the top tab bar from iOS 14.
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I have, in fact, not.I directed that to the OP. If they downgraded, I would’ve hoped they left feedback for Apple first.
Regarding your question, they do take feedback outside of bugs. I can bring up many examples, but this one comes to mind first-
This ugly Safari design almost made it to iOS 15. Now iOS 26’s Safari is similar, but better. There are things I would still change, but I’m sure we’ll get tweaks during the beta process. And they give you an option to go back to the old one. Or even the top tab bar from iOS 14.
This thread served the purpose of me expressing my frustration with how incomplete everything looks.
Considering I have almost never had any feedback report say that similar issues have been reported, even though they very much have, I have lost all trust in using the Feedback app, especially after some other incidents that happened with it.
I’m pretty sure Apple is receiving a lot of feedback, even without me.
They also shouldn’t really need to wait for a feedback report to tell them that at the very least the control center looks bad.
I understand your point though.
I just thought there were more entertaining ways to waste my time than pointing out what really doesn’t need to be.
That’s the one example everyone goes to. (And it sure feels like the ugly Safari tab bar is back with a vengeance in iOS 26.) What are the other, recent ones? Years of other complaints during the beta process shows they do not listen to feedback in the moment. Photos took an entire year for them to roll back a change people didn’t like. Tinted 3rd party widgets are still mostly useless and illegible in iOS 26. App Library has not been improved since launch in iOS 14. Dark mode in iOS 13 never gave us the AMOLED black options that Android phones have had. New apps and features every year, but most never updated after release in any meaningful way. We see by website logs that they were already testing 26.4 in May. So the question is when will they get around to our feedback? When does it actually get better? Maybe sometime around iOS 28 when they have fixed their visual mess and AI mess.
They actually did make some tweaks to the photos app after complaints during the iOS 18 beta process. They didn’t fix all of them of course, but it was a lot worse in beta 1.
But iOS 7 is actually a perfect comparison. People complained about legibility, and Apple used bolder fonts in later betas to address this. People also complained about the icons, and they tweaked some like phone and messages.
iOS 7 had lots of design and UI changes during the beta process in response to feedback. Font was made bolder, they adjusted some of the icons, added reduce transparency and button shape options, reduce transparency, etc. I know that was 12 years ago, but that was really the last time the OS got a redesign.
And even though they didn’t fix all the issues last year, they did make changes to the Photos app during the iOS 18 beta process that made it not as bad as Beta 1. They tweak UI elements all the time during betas. Sometimes it’s in response to user feedback, sometimes Apple just decides to do it on their own. But it happens a lot. There will be many changes to beta 2 next week.
I agree. They did listen back in iOS 7. It’s now over a decade later and things have changed. I use the feedback app extensively each beta. During iOS 14 and 15 betas, I would see issues I reported marked as resolved or asks for more details or a request to try again and supply more info. iOS 16, 17, 18, and 26 to date… no response to any feedback I have sent. What responses have you gotten? Do you feel heard?
My thoughts exactly.
The tab bar is the one thing we all witnessed being reworked, but to what avail if Apple continues to be stubborn? They couldn’t get away with it the first time around because the user base wasn’t „ready“ for it. Apparently now we have to be because Apple is adamant that it was the best design anyway.
They want it their way, and eventually they’ll get it their way.
And yeah how much can we expect Apple to change and adjust in just 3 months anyway.
This is going to be a wild ride.
how many thousands of reports does apple get per OS? anyway, i've been reporting issues in feedback assistant since the public beta program started, and have gotten a handful or responses (asking for more testing, or asking to check again after a new beta update).
eventually, (most) things get fixed. really, anyone on the beta programs should be reporting in
Feedback is more effective than people realize. I’ve had a couple bugs addressed before in the Feedback app. I’ve submitted corrections for Maps data, and those were fixed. I feel heard.
Maps is a different thing, anyone with an Apple ID can report issues with Maps. I’ve submitted many reports and most have been addressed.
I’ve reported way more bugs and have only once received a message. I reported a handful of Touch Bar issues on a 2017 MacBook Pro running Ventura, its last available macOS.
I’ve been asked if the issue has been resolved in Sequoia…
And no matter how often I report the Control Center Accessibility problem, which has been present since the iPhone X and iOS 11, it is STILL present.
Personally I have no faith in the Feedback program.
Do we know all of this was due to feedback? Or could it be more like Gruber suggested on his blog re: iOS 26? I’m not suggesting Apple doesn’t listen to any feedback regarding the UI but I’m more inclined to believe the first beta has what they could get out the door for WWDC, not the final product they intended to ship in September.
So…..basically, if you had just waited to complain at Public Beta 1 release, no one would be complaining about your complaining
Got it…
Media/press feedback, not user feedback from the Feedback app, that's for sure. It usually takes big tech blogs like Engadget or The Verge to write up some criticism before Apple decides to shift.
I suppose now that Beta 2 contains small changes that were frequently mentioned amongst us non-developers we should double down and bash some more?
By September we could have this thing look like good old iOS 6.
By September we could have this thing look like good old iOS 6.