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Only if the neighborhood hacker has a BGA rework tool, bus analyzer and iOS binary native format covered tools. What was does is some very intense intrusion rework on the iPhone motherboard to get the data. We are talking about $10K in equipment to start to hit that

Meh, Cellebrite sells their tools to anyone willing to pay, as do many forensics companies. But no one outside law enforcement is generally interested. Even if a hacker was to drop the money to buy these tools they then have to get their hands on someones phone worth even bothering with. 99.999% of phones out there are of little value to anyone.

I wouldn't worry about it.
 
How do we know the FBI isn't lying?

We don't. They most likely are. I doubt anything was obtained. This was a face saving move after the DOJ was about to take one up the Dark Side. The phone in question was not hacked. If the statements are true it's Brain had Neurosurgery performed on it. At a cost of easily over $100,000 of your taxes. The most secure vault in the world is of no use when you can drill a hole into it and remove it's contents. Nothing the DOJ "allegedly" obtained has anything to do with the Security of iOS 9.

Doing more to address the issues of Burner Phones is much more effective than a public attempt to intimidate Apple using a tragic event to pray on the emotions of a mostly uninformed public at large.

So, stay the course Apple. Fight the Good Fight, and to Loretta E. Lynch, go have a cold one. :apple:
 
Not really. Apple's intransigence on this issue has caught the eye of Congress, and not in a good way for them. There is no way they are going to allow device manufacturers to make devices that are warrant-proof by the government. Other industries, notably the telephone and banking industries, must make their products and services in a way that allows access under lawful judicially approved search warrants. Why should Apple be special?

This is not over, believe me, and it's likely to get worse for Apple as time goes on. As I said from the beginning of this whole affair, whatever the outcome, Apple will not like it.

Incorrect. It's over for the DOJ. :apple:
 
I certainly don't intend to lose it or have it be stolen, and I don't think anyone else does either. Yet it is important that security measures be taken. I don't expect anyone to walk into my house, either, but there are locks on the doors. It being illegal to enter without permission won't stop someone intent on doing it anyway, and I'd rather not just blindly trust the public.
If your phone is lost or stolen you can wipe it remotely from any computer if you set up find my phone.
 
Obviously just another False Flag high profile publicity stunt. Aims:

1. Make Apple appear to be "The People's Friend"
2. Create fear amongst device users
3. Publicise reductions on personal privacy
4. etc.
5. I am now bored with the matter so please don't respond if you don't understand my points.
6. Thanks.
 
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Only if the neighborhood hacker has a BGA rework tool, bus analyzer and iOS binary native format covered tools. What was does is some very intense intrusion rework on the iPhone motherboard to get the data. We are talking about $10K in equipment to start to hit that.

In other words, Apple's unlocking of the iPhone on its facilities is sure to be replicated (you know, "slippery slope"), but the Israeli company's access to the iPhone is never to be replicated, as $10,000 is cost prohibitive for hackers. Got it.
 
Now Apple needs to figure out how they accessed it and patch it. If the government can hack into it, anyone can.
Which is probably why DOJ dropped the suit. Had they continued Apple might have used discovery to find out how it was down and prevent it from being used in the future. Cells rite may have conditioned their work on DOJ dropping the suit if they were successful. OTOH, Apple has a few bright engineers, who, now knowing there is a way could engineer a solution that stops it. Then again, Apple could also decide the method used to hack into an iPhone is labor intensive and can only be done when you have physical possession of the phone and is obvious it has been done, and thus not a security threat. If that is rhe case, not fixing it would balance security with legitimate reasons to access a device.
 
If any evidence or leads they get off that device ever goes to a non-FISA or pubic court they are going to have to disclose how they did it otherwise all the lawyers have to do claim is the FBI simply fabricated any and all there evidence.

No, not really.

All that has to be shown is that the tools used produce a standard, reliable result. They don't have to disclose how the tool does it at all.

For instance, our tools are used by countless agencies around the world. They're NIST certified which means that the
National Institute of Standards and Technology has tested them and verified they produce the reliable result they should from what they claim to do. From there we then had them vetted by the FBI (this isn't something you pay them to do, they choose to do it as the tool has to solve a need of theirs and they choose to invest the time in testing and verifying it's something they want to work with). Once they're able to show your tool reliable and start using it generally most anyone is cool using it.

There is no requirement to disclose how the tool produces the result nor is there any requirement to disclose source code or anything like that.

In this case you're talking about tools made by a very well know forensic company. Tools that have been used by the FBI and just about every other large government agency across the world, for 10 years plus. All the lawyers will have to state is that they used Cellebrite tools and that's the end of it. Any defense (there isn't one in this cause because the suspect is dead) would have the burden of proof to show the tool misfunctions and doesn't give the correct results. Since the Cellebrite tools are very trusted, there's pretty much a 0% chance of this happening.
 
In other words, they didn't want to risk precedent being set by the case. If the case went against them they'd face an uphill battle to force people and phone makers to unlock their phones.

This was never about accessing the data on the phone, it was about setting a legal precedent that said "you are obligated to backdoor your encryption if the FBI asks" and they realised that Apple wasn't going to take it lying down and thus the legal fight was tougher than they were expecting and they might actually lose.

Edit: typo
Sure. DOJ has some smart folks that are thinking the long game. In this case, there was nothing to gain and they can still go to court in a subsequent case if needed.
 
Well this proves that it wasn't as difficult as Apple made it out to be.
Supposedly the government tried everything. It's not Apple's business to try to hack their own software. They ask other companies to report bugs and they work to plug them. Also at no point did Apple say it could not be done. They said they said they no longer have the key and should not be compelled to create a broken version on their software with a backdoor that could be installed to overcome security measures. It's like taking Mac OS and forcing them to turn it to the new XP
 
Keep in mind that the argument and legal action here was to compel Apple to modify iOS to include a backdoor for the FBI to use to get past any encryption, not simply get access to the phone.

BL.

Really? I've read the filings, at least I thought I had, and missed that.
 
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If they did get into the phone it will be interesting to see if they ever say in the data they got actually helped them.
 
In other words, Apple's unlocking of the iPhone on its facilities is sure to be replicated (you know, "slippery slope"), but the Israeli company's access to the iPhone is never to be replicated, as $10,000 is cost prohibitive for hackers. Got it.

These type of hardware/software options have been available since before the iPhone was around. How often do you see them out on the net? These aren't something new. Phone forensics has been around for years.

So yes, it is very unlikely that hackers will get their hands on these type of items and make them publicly available. It would have happened LONG ago.
 
Obviously just another False Flag high profile publicity stunt. Aims:

1. Make Apple appear to be "The People's Friend"
2. Create fear amongst device users
3. Publicise reductions on personal privacy
4. etc.
5. I am now bored with the matter so please don't respond if you don't understand my points.
6. Thanks.

its Taylor Swift all over again
 
They "say" they could access it. Doesn't mean they did. This is politics, nothing else.

Next they will say "we managed to avert a terrorist attack that would kill one million people".

No, they said they have now successfully accessed the data stored on Farook’s iPhone. Not too ambiguous.
 
And there goes the first domino. How many are next? How many will they be able to unlock now? And what is apple going to do to try and prevent it?
That was an iPhone 5c. Just buy any newer iPhone And if _you_ want to prevent an iPhone 5c from being unlocked, use a six or eight digit passcode. There's a blog claiming a method to unlock a phone with 4 digit passcode and the option to erase after ten incorrect attempts within two days for a well-organized team knowing exactly what they are doing. 6 digts and that method would take 200 days.
 
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We don't. They most likely are. I doubt anything was obtained. This was a face saving move after the DOJ was about to take one up the Dark Side. The phone in question was not hacked. If the statements are true it's Brain had Neurosurgery performed on it. At a cost of easily over $100,000 of your taxes. The most secure vault in the world is of no use when you can drill a hole into it and remove it's contents. Nothing the DOJ "allegedly" obtained has anything to do with the Security of iOS 9.

Doing more to address the issues of Burner Phones is much more effective than a public attempt to intimidate Apple using a tragic event to pray on the emotions of a mostly uninformed public at large.

So, stay the course Apple. Fight the Good Fight, and to Loretta E. Lynch, go have a cold one. :apple:

If anything, it is your speculation. It does not matter whether government gets anything or not. I don't believe for a second that FBI is not capable hack into iPhone. You must be really naive to think iPhone is unbreakable.

If anything, this is FBI's experiment on how far they can push tech companies on privacy issue.

I was reading a article about this case. All Apllw need to is create special version of iOS that would loaded into phone. Apple could render that copy useless when Aplle stop signning that particular version.

Personally, I think whole thing is overblown by Apple and Apple used this as great PR opportunity.
 
If these morons could hack it, anyone can. iPhone = unsecure.
Ridiculous. I expect my phone to be secure enough so that run-of-the-mill identity thieves can't get into it if I lose it. I don't think anyone expects any device to be so secure that governments with unlimited resources can't eventually find a way in. Although our personal data is important to us, it's not like we're storing nuclear launch codes on our phones. This isn't the end of the world.
 
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