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I'd still like to know why ebooks are more expensive than paper books (besides greed) it should be cheaper since there isnt any production costs or shipping, etc. WTH! :confused:

There is the cost of having it on servers available 24/7, and no they are NOT the same as your home computer. The cost of the switches, the costs of the sys admins, software etc etc all to deliver the book to you. There is the cost of the electronic transaction. There is the cost of the electricity to run the servers and the electricity to keep the servers cool, the cost of taxes, insurances, hardware upgrades. The costs of someone swapping out hard drives as they die. Hell the cost of the building to house those servers is not cheap either.

The cost to print and ship a book is NOT high when done in very high volumes, next time you go grocery shopping look at imported fruit, then wonder how it can be grown, picked, packed, refrigerated, shipped , sold at wholesale, shipped to a supermarket and then put on sale for often less than $2/kg (in NZ for US Grown fruit!), and yet everyone in that chain is making money.

Just because shipping at retail price costs you a lot does not mean that the cost at massively bulk rates is expensive, it may only add cents to the costs.

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DOJ has merit. Break down theonopoly wall and bring lower priced eBooks to the reading public.

WRONG, its all about creating a monopoly....Amazon. And when they have that monopoly prices WILL rise.
 
I love hearing from Apple fanboys who don't know ANYTHING about the LAW.

Amazon did NOTHING illegal, NOTHING.

Just like your beloved APPLE reducing their taxes was NOT illegal.

Apple colluded with Publishers to keep ebook prices HIGH.

The customer could NOT just go to Amazon and buy the ebook for less. The publishers were setting the price by forcing Amazon to sell it at a certain price or not offering it to them at all.

BEFORE Apple got involved I was buying ebooks that cost less than the physical books. After Apple got involved the prices of ebooks skyrocketed and now are higher than their physical counterparts.

I hope Apple loses and losers BIG.

They STIFLED competition.
 
WRONG, its all about creating a monopoly....Amazon. And when they have that monopoly prices WILL rise.
Before Apple got into the eBook game, Amazon had a monopoly on eBooks. They are still the biggest player today. I didn't see high prices then. If you don't know Amazon's business model by now, its not screw the customers when they're a monopoly (they already are in many area), its to beat out competition with their prices.
 
Only if you consider lower pricing the only possible benefit. I see increased competition and sustainable pricing as a benefit. My opinion is that Amazon is bad for the book industry. I believe that there is a benefit to a local book store that Amazon has crushed.

Local mom & pop bookstores got crushed by everyone from Walmart to Borders to Barnes & Nobles. Amazon and eBooks came in and knocked the big, retail stores off the top of the top of the food chain. By the same token Apple (along with Walmart, Best Buy, Target, etc.,) helped kill off brick and motar music stores and video stores. Apple would have had no qualms about sweeping away local book stores either except by the time technology allowed them to roll out the iPad, brick and motar book stores were already in a world of hurt.

Mom and pop stores can't compete on price and haven't been able to for decades. Now more than ever they need to offer something besides cheap inventory to survive but that's hard when so many customers only care about cheap inventory.
 
Local mom & pop bookstores got crushed by everyone from Walmart to Borders to Barnes & Nobles. Amazon and eBooks came in and knocked the big, retail stores off the top of the top of the food chain. By the same token Apple (along with Walmart, Best Buy, Target, etc.,) helped kill off brick and motar music stores and video stores. Apple would have had no qualms about sweeping away local book stores either except by the time technology allowed them to roll out the iPad, brick and motar book stores were already in a world of hurt.

Mom and pop stores can't compete on price and haven't been able to for decades. Now more than ever they need to offer something besides cheap inventory to survive but that's hard when so many customers only care about cheap inventory.

You added "mom and pop", not me. :)

I'm not sure why you keep bringing up what Apple would or did do as if it justifies anything.
 
You added "mom and pop", not me. :)
When I think local businesses I think locally owned businesses, as opposed national or global chains that are local to me only in terms of geography. Whether we are talking about mom and pop or big chains the point remains the same. Larger sellers coming in and undercutting the smaller shops by using loss leading items is nothing new or unique to Amazon.

I'm not sure why you keep bringing up what Apple would or did do as if it justifies anything.

Just trying to illustrate that Apple and Amazon are both in it for Apple and Amazon, respectively. They both do business in a similar fashion and that fashion yields similar results at the local level yet you seem to be okay with Apple doing it and not okay with Amazon doing it. It's not like Apple is a victim here and is trying to save the publishing industry out of the goodness of its heart. Apple wants to corner the eBook market just like they cornered the digital music market. The big difference is that they have big competition in the eBook retail space and they had very little competition when they entered in the digital music space.
 
For this case and this case only Amazon didn't do anything *legally* wrong, Apple probably did.

The bottom line, from what I've read extensively on the subject is, Apple said, "Hey guys, you want to charge whatever you want for your books?" and the publishers said, "Yes please." There is nothing illegal about what apple and the publishers did, it's merely the free market at work. If you want to buy your books somewhere else, you're more than welcome to.

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Oh do tell me how one company can price fix. :rolleyes:

I was just irritated that anyone thinks anything illegal happened here. It's like complaining that JC Penny is price fixing because it sells True Religion jeans for 200$ and Costco sells them for $90. Amazon's entire business model is predicated on running its competition out of business by selling their products at a loss until no one is left to compete. This has happened before, and the companies that did it were eventually busted up via the Sherman anti-trust act. Apple's crime here is having the gall to turn a profit.
 
I was just irritated that anyone thinks anything illegal happened here. It's like complaining that JC Penny is price fixing because it sells True Religion jeans for 200$ and Costco sells them for $90. Amazon's entire business model is predicated on running its competition out of business by selling their products at a loss until no one is left to compete. This has happened before, and the companies that did it were eventually busted up via the Sherman anti-trust act. Apple's crime here is having the gall to turn a profit.

The difference is settled legally. Amazon didn't do anything illegal when it came to selling books. Apple is currently "on trial" for colluding.

Whether you like Amazon or not is pretty irrelevant. But feel free to get emotional about it.
 
The bottom line, from what I've read extensively on the subject is, Apple said, "Hey guys, you want to charge whatever you want for your books?" and the publishers said, "Yes please." There is nothing illegal about what apple and the publishers did, it's merely the free market at work. If you want to buy your books somewhere else, you're more than welcome to.

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I was just irritated that anyone thinks anything illegal happened here. It's like complaining that JC Penny is price fixing because it sells True Religion jeans for 200$ and Costco sells them for $90. Amazon's entire business model is predicated on running its competition out of business by selling their products at a loss until no one is left to compete. This has happened before, and the companies that did it were eventually busted up via the Sherman anti-trust act. Apple's crime here is having the gall to turn a profit.

YOU MISS THE POINT!
"It's like complaining that JC Penny is price fixing because it sells True Religion jeans for 200$ and Costco sells them for $90"

That's not what happened here. To use your analogy it's

True Religion TELLING Costco if you want to even be able to sell our jeans you must start selling them at $200, whereas before you were selling them for $90.

The book publishers, after colluding with Apple, forced Amazon to raise the prices on the ebooks.

Your analogy is NOT what was going on.

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The difference is settled legally. Amazon didn't do anything illegal when it came to selling books. Apple is currently "on trial" for colluding.

Whether you like Amazon or not is pretty irrelevant. But feel free to get emotional about it.

EXACTLY
 
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When I think local businesses I think locally owned businesses, as opposed national or global chains that are local to me only in terms of geography. Whether we are talking about mom and pop or big chains the point remains the same. Larger sellers coming in and undercutting the smaller shops by using loss leading items is nothing new or unique to Amazon.

Maybe, but things are different when you have monopoly power. Amazon had 60% of the physical book market and 90% of the eBook market when Apple released iBooks.

Regardless of the hypotheticals, I still think that what Amazon actually did and does is bad for books by devaluing them and hurting local (physical) bookstores.

Just trying to illustrate that Apple and Amazon are both in it for Apple and Amazon, respectively. They both do business in a similar fashion and that fashion yields similar results at the local level yet you seem to be okay with Apple doing it and not okay with Amazon doing it. It's not like Apple is a victim here and is trying to save the publishing industry out of the goodness of its heart. Apple wants to corner the eBook market just like they cornered the digital music market. The big difference is that they have big competition in the eBook retail space and they had very little competition when they entered in the digital music space.

You are the one bringing in Apple to this part of the conversation. Apple has nothing to do with why I think Amazon is bad for books. But I do think agency pricing is a good solution to the problems that Amazon has caused. I've never purchased a book from Apple or Amazon.

And FWIW Apple only has around 30% of the digital music market. A far cry from Amazon's market position with books.
 
Maybe, but things are different when you have monopoly power. Amazon had 60% of the physical book market and 90% of the eBook market when Apple released iBooks.

Regardless of the hypotheticals, I still think that what Amazon actually did and does is bad for books by devaluing them and hurting local (physical) bookstores.

It's the same thing Walmart did with local mom and pop stores.

It's not illegal. If you care so much about the other stores don't shop at Amazon.

There are some retailers I shop at to support them even though they may be higher priced than other places.

I will repeat - Amazon did NOTHING illegal. Just like Apple did NOTHING illegal when the government hauled Tim Cook up to the Hill to bitch about Apple not paying taxes - Apple did nothing wrong. It is NOT ILLEGAL to reduce your taxes.

Apple went to the Publishers to attempt to take competition away from Amazon by colluding with the Publishers to force ebook prices higher.

THAT IS ILLEGAL!
 
I think MacRumors forgot about the letter Steve wrote to James Murdoch which proves the e-book pricing conspiracy led by none of than Steve Jobs.

I'd say it's a pretty slam dunk case because this letter was aloud to be submitted for evidence today.

Just because it was allowed to be evidence doesn't mean that the letter in context, rather than out as it is now, will tell the same story the DOJ wants to paint. Which is that Apple set up a plan to force all the publishers into their terms AND to force them to require that every other retailer so the same system. After all, this is one letter to one publisher. Where are the rest of the letters, the notes of the secret meetings etc

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DOJ has merit. Break down theonopoly wall and bring lower priced eBooks to the reading public.

Or the publishers will simply stop selling ebooks.

Is absurd that the DOJ thinks it has a right to dictate pricing but let the try. The publishers hold the power card because it is their copy right to control the making and distribution of copies so they can simply not make them. Unless the DOJ believes they have the power to override that as well
 

Here is a quote from that link:

Predatory pricing practices may result in antitrust claims of monopolization or attempts to monopolize. Businesses with dominant or substantial market shares are more vulnerable to antitrust claims. However, because the antitrust laws are ultimately intended to benefit consumers, and discounting results in at least short-term net benefit to consumers, the U.S. Supreme Court has set high hurdles to antitrust claims based on a predatory pricing theory. The Court requires plaintiffs to show a likelihood that the pricing practices will affect not only rivals but also competition in the market as a whole, in order to establish that there is a substantial probability of success of the attempt to monopolize. If there is a likelihood that market entrants will prevent the predator from recouping its investment through supra competitive pricing, then there is no probability of success and the antitrust claim would fail. In addition, the Court established that for prices to be predatory, they must be below the seller's cost.

The first underlined point leads me to think that predatory pricing is not explicitly illegal, but may lead to antitrust suits due to its side-effects. Price fixing is definitely explicitly illegal.

The second underlined point makes clear that prices cannot be predatory if they are at or above cost price. The DoJ's filings show typical examples of 25$ physical, 20$ digital list prices offered to Amazon at a discount (which is not explicit but they imply that it's around 50%). If that list price is not exactly $20.00 or Amazon's discount is greater than 50%, Amazon cannot be guilty of predatory pricing. That's not to say that below-cost prices necessarily are predatory, though.

In general, it looks rather difficult to sue someone for predatory pricing. I'm sure the DoJ has looked in to it (particularly in the course of this investigation). They must clearly feel that there is a low chance of conviction there, while against Apple they must feel that they have a stronger case. The DoJ are impartial between Amazon and Apple; they will pursue whichever cases they feel they can win.

The initial evidence doesn't look good for Apple. Particularly the way they seem to have colluded to exclude Amazon from new releases unless it adopted the agency model. Steve admits in one of the emails that this wasn't like the music negotiations - they were beaten to the eBook market by Amazon and had to squeeze themselves in. He essentially says that unless they can raise Amazon's prices they won't be able to be competitive in that market (which does seem like what they tried to do).
 
It's the same thing Walmart did with local mom and pop stores.

Yep. The difference is that with Amazon's strategy, I lose the benefit of a physical bookstore to browse.

It's not illegal.

I disagree. I consider Amazon's strategy to be predatory pricing.

If you care so much about the other stores don't shop at Amazon.

I don't for books.

There are some retailers I shop at to support them even though they may be higher priced than other places.

Me too.

I will repeat - Amazon did NOTHING illegal. Just like Apple did NOTHING illegal when the government hauled Tim Cook up to the Hill to bitch about Apple not paying taxes - Apple did nothing wrong. It is NOT ILLEGAL to reduce your taxes.

Again, I disagree with respect to Amazon.

Apple went to the Publishers to attempt to take competition away from Amazon by colluding with the Publishers to force ebook prices higher.

THAT IS ILLEGAL!

Maybe. I've just seen no evidence that Apple participated in any collusion.
 
As opposed to the clauses in contracts stipulating that other retailers will be unable to negotiate deals with publishers that result in Apple not receiving the lowest wholesale price.

Such a clause doesn't exist because Apple doesn't use wholesale pricing.

I believe you a thinking of the favored nation clause which says that if any other retailer is seeing for a lower price. Apple has the right it lower their price to the same and the publisher gets their 70% of the actual selling price, not the price they said they wanted Apple to use
 
Here is a quote from that link:



The first underlined point leads me to think that predatory pricing is not explicitly illegal, but may lead to antitrust suits due to its side-effects. Price fixing is definitely explicitly illegal.

The second underlined point makes clear that prices cannot be predatory if they are at or above cost price. The DoJ's filings show typical examples of 25$ physical, 20$ digital list prices offered to Amazon at a discount (which is not explicit but they imply that it's around 50%). If that list price is not exactly $20.00 or Amazon's discount is greater than 50%, Amazon cannot be guilty of predatory pricing. That's not to say that below-cost prices necessarily are predatory, though.

In general, it looks rather difficult to sue someone for predatory pricing. I'm sure the DoJ has looked in to it (particularly in the course of this investigation). They must clearly feel that there is a low chance of conviction there, while against Apple they must feel that they have a stronger case. The DoJ are impartial between Amazon and Apple; they will pursue whichever cases they feel they can win.

The initial evidence doesn't look good for Apple. Particularly the way they seem to have colluded to exclude Amazon from new releases unless it adopted the agency model. Steve admits in one of the emails that this wasn't like the music negotiations - they were beaten to the eBook market by Amazon and had to squeeze themselves in. He essentially says that unless they can raise Amazon's prices they won't be able to be competitive in that market (which does seem like what they tried to do).

Predatory pricing is illegal in the US and Amazon is pricing many best sellers below cost.

You probably shouldn't do legal analysis from the wording in a Wikipedia article. :)
 
Maybe, but things are different when you have monopoly power. Amazon had 60% of the physical book market and 90% of the eBook market when Apple released iBooks.
And Amazon didn't do anything to bar Apple from entering said market. Apple is one that that allegedly tried to collude with the publishers in an attempt to gain a competitive advantage.

Regardless of the hypotheticals, I still think that what Amazon actually did and does is bad for books by devaluing them and hurting local (physical) bookstores.
I don't see how what's happening with books is any different than what's happening with movies and music. Everything is shifting to digital distribution. How is it any different than what Apple did with music? Or what Walmart did with, well, everything? I disliked it when Borders and B&E came to town and eventually all the local indie book stores closed. I disliked it when Best Buy and Walmart sold CDs so cheap that the local music stores started to dwindle. As someone that grew up going to locally owned arcades, bookstores and music stores (all of which are long gone) I can understand not liking the process but the process is much bigger and much older than Amazon.

You are the one bringing in Apple to this part of the conversation.
Only because you opened the door. ;)

You were lamenting about Amazon's business practices even though Apple, among many others, utilizes similar methods. You said you might be bias so I was just trying to show you that you are probably right. :D

And FWIW Apple only has around 30% of the digital music market. A far cry from Amazon's market position with books.
Apple has over 60% of the digital music market.


Predatory pricing is illegal in the US and Amazon is pricing many best sellers below cost.

Loss leaders or selling below cost aren't the same thing as predatory pricing. If it was then every practically ever business would be guilty of it.
 
The way our government has been going lately, I'd rather they find something like this to keep them busy instead of finding new ways to erode our rights.

I agree. I thought they had their hands full with the Bradley Manning trial. But no they keep seeming to find time for other ways too.
 
And Amazon didn't do anything to bar Apple from entering said market. Apple is one that that allegedly tried to collude with the publishers in an attempt to gain a competitive advantage.

That's debatable. As I said, I consider Amazon's pricing to be predatory. That is a barrier to entry.


That's downloadable music market share.

Apple's market share in digital music is around 30%. The point was to compare Amazon's domination of the book market with Apple relatively low share in music. And market share is a significant factor in antitrust law.

Loss leaders or selling below cost aren't the same thing as predatory pricing. If it was then every practically ever business would be guilty of it.

We already discussed this. The difference is intent to drive out competition.
 
Before Apple got into the eBook game, Amazon had a monopoly on eBooks. They are still the biggest player today. I didn't see high prices then. If you don't know Amazon's business model by now, its not screw the customers when they're a monopoly (they already are in many area), its to beat out competition with their prices.

No they are not a monopoly...yet.
Their business model is all about screwing the competition and killing them off, the side effect of this is the customer benefits (for now).Printed books were the competition for ebooks, Amazon has killed off the bricks and mortar stores putting them more in control of ALL books.

Thus far the shareholders have been happy with the share price increasing on the "promise" of great profitability one day, that profitability will come at the expense of the customer AND producer.

Think of Amazon seeing its self like the Music Labels where musicians are forced to deal with them (and get screwed) and the customer is also forced to deal with them (and also gets screwed), that is where Amazon sees its self, and to get there they MUST kill off printed books and become the sole source of ebooks.
 
This is the top comment on this topic @ r/technology.

[–]competitionroolz 2581 points 1 day ago*x2
Hi, all. Long time lurker, first time poster. I am an antitrust lawyer (among other things) and have followed this case closely, because it is interesting. Lots of the information in this thread is not accurate, probably because the coverage of this case fails in large part to capture its nuances. I am accordingly going to try to explain what is up.

Allow me to set the stage. Back in 2009, eBooks were sold using the traditional retail model, i.e. publishers sold them to resellers (like Amazon) and the resellers sold them at whatever price they chose. Amazon chose to sell them cheaply (at $9.99), even sometimes below cost, because they wanted everyone to buy Kindles and they thought cheap eBooks were the best way to make that happen. Even though the price at which Amazon sold eBooks to consumers did not directly affect the price the publishers received for those eBooks, the publishers still hated the cheap price, primarily because it threatened the paper book industry, i.e. if eBooks were cheap, people would more readily switch to that format instead of buying paper books (I believe publishers made more money off paper books).

Around this time, Apple was looking to introduce this neat new product called an “iPad” which, among other things, could serve as an eBook reader. The then-living Steve Jobs also hated what Amazon was doing, because it led to a perception that $9.99 was the proper price for an eBook and this limited the price at which Apple could sell eBooks through the iBookstore, meaning Apple made less money. As such, both Apple and the publishers had tremendous incentive to prevent Amazon from selling discounted eBooks.

So, what were the poor beleaguered publishers to do? Well, there was this other way of selling eBooks, called the “Agency Model.” As opposed to the traditional method of reselling eBooks described above (publisher sells to reseller, reseller sells to consumer at price it chooses), when a reseller sells an eBook pursuant to the Agency Model, the publisher from which the eBook originated controls the price at which the eBook is sold to the consumer. In other words, the contracts between the publishers and Amazon (for example) would require Amazon to sell that eBook at a price dictated by the publisher, thereby preventing Amazon (or anyone) from discounting eBooks.

There is a problem, though: if only one publisher begins selling books pursuant to the Agency Model, all that happens is that that publisher’s eBooks get more expensive and price-sensitive consumers switch to cheaper eBooks from other publishers. So the agency strategy only works if all publishers implement the strategy at the same time. It is the classic collective action problem: the benefits exist only if all parties move together, while the burdens fall on any party moving independently.

SPOILER ALERT: THIS IS WHERE THINGS GET ILLEGAL. Two things then (allegedly!) happen, one involving Apple and one not. The latter first: the publishers begin discussing among themselves agreeing to implement the Agency Model simultaneously, thereby making sure prices rise across the board. But they could not really make it happen until the second thing happened.

The second thing: Enter Jobs and the iPad. Jobs and Apple wished to switch the entire publishing industry to the Agency Model and, accordingly (also allegedly!) served as a go-between through which the publishers agreed to simultaneously switch to the Agency Model. In other words, Jobs went to publisher #1 and said “will you implement the Agency Model if publishers ##2,3,4, and 5 do?” Publisher #1 says “yes!” Jobs then goes to publisher 2 and says “Publisher #1 has agreed to switch to the Agency Model if you do. That cool?” Publisher #2 says “yes!” And so on. Pretty soon, Jobs has orchestrated an industry-wide agreement to impose the Agency Model.

The implementation of the Agency Model occurs essentially simultaneously with the introduction of the iPad. Amazon kicks and screams and fights, but succumbs to the model after some publishers just stop doing business with it until it agrees to do so. Now, the publishers have the ability to dictate the price at which Amazon and other resellers sell eBooks to consumers. They exercise that right to impose an across-the-board price increase on eBooks sold through all outlets. As a practical matter, this means the price for eBooks published by major publishers immediately jumps from $9.99 to $12.99 (in most instances).

Brief digression into antitrust law: What is critical to the wrongdoing here is the fact that there were agreements between the publishers pertaining to price. Because the publishers are competitors, the agreement was horizontal, meaning they occupy the same place in the distribution chain and sell to the same people. Horizontal agreements pertaining to price are the “supreme evil” condemned by the antitrust laws, and are the very most illegal thing competitors can do. This is because there is no possible competitive justification for a price-fixing agreement. What this means is that if Justice and the private plaintiffs can demonstrate the publishers agreed to put this agreement in place, the case is over and the publishers lose. So, the publishers, when caught, are up **** creek, and they all settle.

So, what about Apple? Because Apple does not compete with the publishers, its liability is premised on the fact that it orchestrated the agreements between the publishers. In other words, it is not really liable for any agreements it, itself, made. Rather, its liability (if proven) stems from the fact that it worked behind the scenes to make the horizontal agreements happen. It is a so-called “hub-and-spoke” conspiracy. Think of a wagon wheel. Apple is the hub. The publishers are the spokes. And the rim of the wheel is the illegal agreement. While Apple is not directly in competition with any of the publishers, by inserting itself as the hub through which the illegal conduct was facilitated, it incurred liability. I have not seen their pretrial statement, but I would guess their defense is that there may very well have been an illegal agreement between the publishers, but they did not make it happen.

That is the long and short of it. Couple of folks on here made reference to most favored nations clauses. This case really is not about those – they existed in the agreements, sure, and they were bad (and likely an enforcement mechanism), but the wrongdoing was the agreement on price.
Couple folks also made reference to monopolization. Also not an issue here. Apple is not, and never was, a monopolist in the eBooks market. The case is about horizontal agreement, i.e. good old cartelization & price-fixing.
It is interesting stuff, at least to me. I hope this explanation is helpful to some of you. Now I will go back to editing my brief.

TL/DR: This case is really just about a fancy new way of fixing prices, and everyone is guilty as hell.

Edit: To fix typos (typed Amazon where I meant to type Apple in last sentence of para 3; fixed there/there typo; similar etc.)

Edit: All of the above is based on allegations, not proof. Nothing will be proven until the trial is over, and if the government can't prove what they claim is true, they will lose. They might lose no matter what. Trials are scary, man.
 
Is absurd that the DOJ thinks it has a right to dictate pricing but let the try. The publishers hold the power card because it is their copy right to control the making and distribution of copies so they can simply not make them. Unless the DOJ believes they have the power to override that as well

If this is what you believe, then you don't understand what's going on here. The DOJ doesn't believe it has the right to dictate pricing. That isn't their job, nor their interest. This case has nothing to do with how much an individual publisher charges for their ebooks whatsoever.

What is interesting to them is the fact that a large group of normally competitive companies allegedly came together to form an agreement to fix the market so that all interests could profit without any form of competition between them. This chances what was once a competitive field made up of multiple entities into one conglomerate of many companies working together for their mutual benefit. No one company has an advantage over another, but each shares equally of the profits. Since they're all working as what's basically a unified whole, this allows them to set prices as they see fit. No retailer can sell for more or less than what they dictate, and since there's no competition between them, they themselves have no reason to lower prices in order to gain profits or market share. It's either their way, or no way at all.

By itself, the agency model isn't a bad thing. If one publisher decides to do it at some point, that's fine. It's their choice. They're one competitor in a field of many. If the market doesn't like their pricing scheme, they can revert back to the wholesale model. It's the way of the capitalist world.

The problem here is that ALL the ebook publishers came together and agreed to only use the agency model. To work together to control the market instead of competing against each other. It's anticonsumerist, and the end result is something very much like a monopoly.

This is why the DOJ is involved.

edit: The link above me that was posted at the exact same time explains it a helluva lot better than I did.
 
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Apple went to the Publishers to attempt to take competition away from Amazon by colluding with the Publishers to force ebook prices higher.

THAT IS ILLEGAL!

Sadly no matter how many ways you say it or how many times you say it there are people here who are so blinded by loyalty that they flat out refuse to read it or accept it. They keep putting their fingers in their ears while saying "lalalala can't hear you", thinking that if they do it enough it won't be true.

No matter how blinded by loyalty they are, Apple is still guilty.

Hopefully people read the 2 posts above mine. VERY informative.
 
If this is what you believe, then you don't understand what's going on here. The DOJ doesn't believe it has the right to dictate pricing.

Actually if you go back to the original comments about this matter, reps from the DOJ made comments like 'there is a right price for ebooks and we know what it is'. Which suggests that yes they believe pricing is part of this issue. And that they have a say in the matter
 
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