See folks, this is how the government and lawmakers work. This is why the gun community is so adamant about no new gun laws or regulations.
Just 30 round mags.
Just 10 round mags.
Any detachable mags.
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Justice Department Wants Apple to Extract Data From 12 Other iPhones
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See folks, this is how the government and lawmakers work. This is why the gun community is so adamant about no new gun laws or regulations.
Just 30 round mags.
Just 10 round mags.
Any detachable mags.
All your guns are belong to us!
Seriously, you're going on that argument. Hiding from the government. Nothing to hide here. I actually work for it. But I realize that there is something called the "private sphere" which our constitution protects, and is also the reason why so many soldier died in our history.
I don't have anything to hide; but I know that something is the government's concern, and something is not.
Please get your timeline right. The Constitution (without amendments) was ratified in June 1788. The first amendments weren't even proposed in Congress until more than a year later (September 1789), following the election of the government described by that constitution. The "Bill of Rights" wasn't ratified by the states until December 1791. Per https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timel...atification_of_the_United_States_Constitution
Yes, many of the states, when voting to ratify the "basic" Constitution, suggested specific modifications. Nonetheless, they ratified.
Was there distrust of the power of government? Absolutely. Following the end of the revolution, the states were governed by the Articles of Confederation (drafted in 1777, fully ratified by all 13 states in 1781), which gave far greater power to the individual states, and nearly none to the central government. The consensus at the time was that the articles were too weak to bind the states into a cohesive whole (trade warfare between the states was the the principle issue), hence the convening of a constitutional convention.
There will always be disagreement over how much government is "enough." But in the U.S., as in many other countries around the world, the government is nominally in the hands of the people, and it is up to those people to exercise their power. Many in the U.S. do not behave as if it is - government is seen as an enemy, imposed upon them. If one behaves as a victim, one will be a victim. To quote cartoonist Walt Kelly, "We have met the enemy, and he is us."
I have plenty of things to hide from the government, and you are kidding yourself if you think you don't. Let's say the government was given a complete list with photographic evidence of every single time where you exceeded the speed limit, parked where you were not supposed to park. Everything where you didn't fill out your tax returns to the letter of the law. You don't do anything with your husband or wife that you wouldn't want to hide from the government? I'm sorry for you if you don't.
But you left out the much more important thing: And that is that you have plenty to hide from hackers and criminals.
That as well. All the information that you think you don't need to keep away from the government is bound to end up on a DVD lost on the backseat of a taxi (at least in the UK) or on an unencrypted DVD lost in the mail, and then it goes straight to some criminal with a bit of bad luck. (I suppose that's what you meant). (Checked your links, yes, that's what meant).
Our government is neither trustworthy nor competent. They need to remember they work for the people and not the other way around. Good for Apple - if they win, we all win; if they loose we all loose.
Let's install a "domestic violence prevention camera" at his house. HE has nothing to hide, and certainly a feed to the FBI would not be a problem.
The bad guys have long been aware of this possibility. That's why Farook destroyed his other phones (which also makes it seem unlikely that anything of value is on the iPhone 5c).
Yes, I am. So it's Facebook's concern? Or Google's? And they even make a profit off it. Really, it's silly to make government out to be the Big Bad here (and I say this as someone who leans conservative). Your information has been trawled from the internet for years now.
Is it any more safe elsewhere? If this is really people's attitude here, then you might as well stop shopping online, pay only in cash, and hide out in a cabin off the grid.
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If you don't understand the reasons why this is harmful to people other than those criminals, i really suggest you read up on the subject. There are many good articles that detail the problems, some are linked above.
Credit cards are easily cancelled when compromised. You can also create one time numbers for use on sites you don't trust. I don't see how paying for stuff online is the same thing here.
Again, you have no idea what the NSA is capable of. Snowden does. And he implied that the NSA could gain access to this phone in particular.
As Bush has dragged it the first 49 miles, it's very easy to bend it the last 1 mile, so that the definition of "terrorism" can apply to both you and your family, or me, or my family, at NSA's whim at any time.
Supporting terrorism? No one knows for certain if there is even any information pertaining to terrorist plots on the phone. If there isn't, then the privacy of millions of people just got compromised which we have a right to have just as much. As if this phone is the only method our government has to thwart terrorism. Give me a break!
To say such is to say that citizens should let their freedom and their rights rest in the hands of lawyers. Kind of sad that we now are living in a time when no-one thinks they could or should do anything about trying to protect their rights. The easiest method is to follow some of the links above and sign a petition. That doesn't even require something so drastic as getting out of your chair.
Actually Android 5.x and beyond has encryption at 6.x it's on by default. It's SHA256 and you can't install software that isn't signed.
I say just ban any non-touchID phones then chop off the criminals fingers to unlock the device if they don't comply with a request to enter their passcode when asked. Apple doesn't need to create anything then
And when the suspected criminal's phone turns out to have nothing, and he/she turns out to be innocent... we superglue their finger back on!
I jest.... but court orders are based on probable cause.. which is not to say they are guilty. Just to say that there is sufficient reason to believe they may be guilty. Very often that turns out to not be the case.
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Slacktivism: A meaning developed in order to justify never doing anything, under the mistaken belief that you could never possibly make a difference.
Because they needed to reply to the FBI's public pitch for support.
I keep mentioning this but no-one seems to care or notice. People seem to think the world revolves around the US.
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haha... i too have been cited before for two word posts. sometimes two words is more than enough. Guess they only want you to use the "like" button in such circumstances.
Are you implying that adding your name to https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/apple-privacy-petition is going to get the attention of your leaders, who will then re-think their positions? Because that's not how this works.