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Well considering the NSA tools were found on Kaspersky's network, ya, im gonna go with F them.
Not that this is in any way relevant to the topic of Apple monopolistic practices but let's remember that Kaspersky's software correctly identified suspicious software (which turned out to be a malware designed by NSA) flagged it and uploaded it to Kaspersky's server for further analysis. That's what it is supposed to do, that's what we buy and install it for. If ,say, Norton software was smart enough and identified this malware it would do the same. US Government reaction might have been different but that's a different story.
 
the iPhone is not a Monopoly - this lawsuit is going nowhere
if you want to play in your friend's sandbox you need to follow the rules.
Apple has shut down plenty of predatory apps. There is a need for a the police people need protection from predators.
 
You mean the same clowns that work with the FSB? Not a chance. This isn't security; it's malware by a different name.

In Soviet Russia, Mac Hacks You.
Kaspersky doesn't "work for" the FSB. They are the FSB.
 
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I definitely see your point. However, unless Apple is somehow checked, they are just going to keep on absorbing key functions from independent app developers without giving them any form of compensation. I think we last saw this when Apple built the functions of an app called Lux into the OS. Over time, developers may just be left with games or stickers or emoji packs and any other product category Apple doesn’t see fit to incorporate into the OS.
That has been the risk with every OS from any vendor (and to a lesser degree also with large software suites like MS Office or Photoshop) since the dawn of time. With Apple there is even a term for this in the Urban Dictionary: sherlocked.

Usually the OS offering a feature for free is enough to sink a single-feature app (unless the app manages to do things significantly better or with a broader feature set). With iOS Apple additionally can ban apps that use special APIs or in other ways violate AppStore rules.

But there really is no risk of Apple ever incorporating almost all functionality third party apps offer. The number of third party developers is probably a magnitude larger than Apple engineers working on user-facing features. Apple has zero chance and interest into catching up with the breadth of a million+ third party apps.
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Apple set the reset security questions to be so basic, anyone could google those answers for celebrities. Ever hear of the security advice of not using your birthday for a password? That's basically what apple did. Apple didn't get hacked, you're right. Apple just left the door wide open.
Well, I rarely remember myself what answers I gave to any of the security questions. Good luck guessing things I don’t even know.
 
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the iPhone is not a Monopoly - this lawsuit is going nowhere
if you want to play in your friend's sandbox you need to follow the rules.
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Apple is having monopoly problems in USA (apple vs pepper), Europe (Spotify), Russia (Kaspersky).

Walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, maybe it is a duck.
 
That has been the risk with every OS from any vendor (and to a lesser degree also with large software suites like MS Office or Photoshop) since the dawn of time. With Apple there is even a term for this in the Urban Dictionary: sherlocked.

Usually the OS offering a feature for free is enough to sink a single-feature app (unless the app manages to do things significantly better or with a broader feature set). With iOS Apple additionally can ban apps that use special APIs or in other ways violate AppStore rules.

But there really is no risk of Apple ever incorporating almost all functionality third party apps offer. The number of third party developers is probably a magnitude larger than Apple engineers working on user-facing features. Apple has zero chance and interest into catching up with the breadth of a million+ third party apps.
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Well, I rarely remember myself what answers I gave to any of the security questions. Good luck guessing things I don’t even know.
A million + apps but the ones that succeed in grabbing a wide audience and enhance the iOS experience are going to get Sherlocked (thanks for introducing me to the term). Unless they are made by companies big enough to strike a deal or who are of more value to Apple (and less work and expense to administer) as standalones giving over the 15-30%.

I would just be keeping an eye on Apple as Apple looks to expand more into services and content as a source of revenue. It's not hard to see news and magazine app providers are going to start to feel the squeeze when Apple has a news app that can manage subscription payments.
 
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Can someone tell me how Apple is a competitor if the feature they ALSO do is free with the computer? How does stopping a third party SELL a feature that the user has for free viewed as competing? Apple doesn't lose money if they allow it, they also don't gain by offering it for free.
 
So you're not using any Russian software because you don't trust Russian politics?

I assume you could extend this to any former communist country. How about Ukraine? Do you trust them? Because that's where Readdle apps were developed! (excellent apps by the way !)

First off, you make little sense. Forget the country; I'm not interested in any "security" software that inherently works and is often funded by its nation's spy service.

Second, Readdle does Spark. On iOS, this requires routing all your mail through them, which also means handing them your email password. After I found that out, I've never touched Spark. It has nothing to do with what country it's written in.

That was a weak response. You have anything to actually make a point with?
 
And I don’t see it as a case of Apple abusing their power. I am a happy Apple user precisely because I expect Apple to use the control that they wield over their ecosystem to make the hard choices for me so I don’t have to, including what apps to allow and what apps not to allow.

If that’s what it takes to create a safe and secure platform for its users, then so be it.

I agree. What is lost in this discussion is we do not know how tightly the features K wants to bypass with it's own software are integrated into the OS. It could very well be that if Apple allowed that it could bus some other feature; leaving users upset at Apple and not K. It's better, from a security and stability standpoint, to limit how apps can interact with core OS features.
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For internal bookkepping purposes, they may already.

They may, if only for tax reasons. Shifting profits around has been a trick since Luca Pacioli.
 
I think both Kaspersky and Spotify have a legitimate argument. Apple has exhibited some monopolistic tendencies since becoming so big. They should do some self-reflection and modify some of their actions and policies before they're forced to modify by antitrust regulators.
I think Spotify's argument is rather rubbish, as demonstrated by Netflix which manages quite happily to sell its subscriptions without giving money to Apple. And Kaspersky? They want access to your phone that apps usually don't get. I don't want anyone to get access to my phone.
 
Apple is having monopoly problems in USA (apple vs pepper), Europe (Spotify), Russia (Kaspersky).

Walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, maybe it is a duck.

Possibly. Alternate explanation is companies can't hack it on their open and thus run crying to the government to help them out from the big bad monopolist.
 
Apple set the reset security questions to be so basic, anyone could google those answers for celebrities. Ever hear of the security advice of not using your birthday for a password? That's basically what apple did. Apple didn't get hacked, you're right. Apple just left the door wide open.
Only a complete idiot would give their birthday as an answer to the security question "what is your birthday". My siblings would have no idea what I entered as "Your mother's maiden name". It certainly wasn't my mother's maiden name.
 
I agree. What is lost in this discussion is we do not know how tightly the features K wants to bypass with it's own software are integrated into the OS. It could very well be that if Apple allowed that it could bus some other feature; leaving users upset at Apple and not K. It's better, from a security and stability standpoint, to limit how apps can interact with core OS features.
True, but again, whatever they wanted to do, they've already been at it for three years. Apple let it through their approval process three years ago and turned a blind eye until they replicated the functionality for iOS.

It was only about 5 years ago that my husband headed up a development team that had to submit apps to the App store. The approval process was pretty diligent according to their experience if it.

And Kaspersky is not a name that Apple is going to overlook. Apple moved the goalposts on them for the sake of what Apple was up to. Not to protect truth, justice, and the American way from something nefarious. If they we're that concerned, Apple would have acted three years ago.
 
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iOS isn’t perfect, but the reason for issues like Group FaceTime exist despite Apple’s best efforts to lock down their platform, not because of it. That’s the difference.

That is so wrong. The reason as to why there are bugs in any software is because it is impossible to write software with no bugs.

Apple locking down their platform will not make bugs go away.

One can only minimize the number of bugs through spending more money on testing, but note that no amount of testing can detect all bugs.
 
That is so wrong. The reason as to why there are bugs in any software is because it is impossible to write software with no bugs.

Apple locking down their platform will not make bugs go away.

One can only minimize the number of bugs through spending more money on testing, but note that no amount of testing can detect all bugs.

My reply was in response to another poster comparing the existence of bugs like Group FaceTime to there being malware and piracy in the android App Store. I was explaining why the two are not at all similar.

Apple’s walled garden is well protected, nourished, watered & kept in blossom by the best gardeners in the world. If there’s a weed, they wack it. If there’s a bad bug, they squash it. Everytime I walk in my garden I’m in awe of its palette & synchronicity.

I’ve seen what awaits me in the neighbour’s garden, and I am far less impressed. Sure there are way more flowers in the garden, but its formation is a mess & the lack of a fence just allows any dog to piss in it, weed to penetrate it & makes it harder to maintain overall.

You all would have Apple give up one of the key defining features of its ecosystem just for some arbitrary notion like “fair play”?
 
My reply was in response to another poster comparing the existence of bugs like Group FaceTime to there being malware and piracy in the android App Store. I was explaining why the two are not at all similar.

Apple’s walled garden is well protected, nourished, watered & kept in blossom by the best gardeners in the world. If there’s a weed, they wack it. If there’s a bad bug, they squash it. Everytime I walk in my garden I’m in awe of its palette & synchronicity.

I’ve seen what awaits me in the neighbour’s garden, and I am far less impressed. Sure there are way more flowers in the garden, but its formation is a mess & the lack of a fence just allows any dog to piss in it, weed to penetrate it & makes it harder to maintain overall.

You all would have Apple give up one of the key defining features of its ecosystem just for some arbitrary notion like “fair play”?

I hope Apple is paying you well for this content. Beautiful imagery.
 
Isn't this the same company that was removed from all US Government computers because the Russians used their database of files scanned to target a CIA operative in Europe?
 
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There are a few cases I'd like Apple to lose. The Spotify case, because it'll open up 3rd party billing on iOS and loosen anti competitive behavior on iOS like limiting 3rd party app features (access to Siri and system level functions).
This case with Kaspersky because when I download an app from a developer I want to use it as the dev intended it to work, I don't need Apple dictating how the apps I purchase work. And I'd also like to see them lose a case regarding default apps (which I feel is VERY anti competitive, I want to be able to use whatever assistant I want on the device I purchase and set whatever app as a default. I should not be forced to use Apple's services just because I bought an iPhone. If Apple's services are that great let everyone compete on the same level, don't cripple apps on your OS to give your apps the advantage.
I have a feeling the anti competitive default apps lawsuit will come soon if Spotify wins

No. Absolutely not. I am sick of my credit card information getting out there due to places having horrible security. I do not want to deal with hundreds of payment processors instead of iTunes itself. If I have an issue with billing, I do not want to speak to someone in India I cannot understand because App X decided to use a small 3rd party payment processor.

This entire Spotify issue is just ridiculous to begin with. Apple's streaming service is the same price or cheaper. Really? That is the argument? Take any two competitors. Are their prices 100% the same? Do AMD processors with the same core count as Intel processors cost the same? No.

How is this any different than Pages, Numbers and Keynote which is free but Office 365 is not? Should we make Apple charge for those products so it matches the competition?
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Apple doesn’t seems have issue with Kapasky running on Mac.... So are you OK with Apple locks down Mac like iOS?

You can install software outside of the App Store on macOS. You cannot on iOS. And I bet this will always be the case. Just like Windows 10 S vs Windows 10 Home/Pro. I bet there will be a default setting on future installs of macOS to only allow the App Store, but it will be able to be turned off.

Computers are different than phones/tablets. People need to stop comparing the two. This isn't Microsoft where they try to treat them the same.
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Apple set the reset security questions to be so basic, anyone could google those answers for celebrities. Ever hear of the security advice of not using your birthday for a password? That's basically what apple did. Apple didn't get hacked, you're right. Apple just left the door wide open.

No this is the fact of not properly educating people in using password vaults and having the majority of the population NEED these security questions this basic to begin with.

Do you know what I do when a site has these types of questions? Like "What is your favorite book?" My answer is something like the following:

uyv*&FGV8fg29fg

And I store that in my password vault if I need it. It not "Game of Thrones" or some real book. It is just stupid to answer these questions.
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Oh I did just think of how this all does hurt consumers long term.

If the landscape for App developers becomes as bleak as I just outlined that it could, how many developers are going to knock themselves out developing a new product if they know their “host” is only going to steal their concept during the next OS update and knock them out with no compensation, by saying their functionality is now in some form of violation after they move the goalposts.

Apple isn’t exactly known for innovation anymore. They see what’s already out there and they take it. Sometimes they legitimately buy it. Sometimes, if the many accusations against them are to be believed, they just take it and trust that nobody has the stamina to fight their lawyers.

With a dead app environment that’s only about sticker packs and games, you know Apple is going to just sit on its big lazy butt. Look at Siri’s fall from grace to see how much malaise permeates their corporate culture now.

I want to see Apple do well by their customers and for themselves. But at times they choose a path that leads to stagnation.

Apple was never about innovation. History has blinded many users here to think they were. Apple is and always has been improving upon what was already in place.

iPod - MP3 players existed before but Apple improved on the concept
iPhone - smartphones existed before but Apple improved on the concept
iPad - tablets existed before but Apple improved on the concept
Apple Watch - smart watches existed before but Apple improved on the concept

Apple never released something unique and truly innovative.
 
Apple is having monopoly problems in USA (apple vs pepper), Europe (Spotify), Russia (Kaspersky).

Walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, maybe it is a duck.
No Apple is not a Monopoly unless you also consider Sony and Microsoft a monopoly because there are no third party certifications if I want to create a PS4 or Xbox One game on my own and not give Sony / Microsoft a cut.
 
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