I didn’t say anything to the contrary. You need to follow up the trail of replies to see my point.
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Key M1 Mac Engineer Departs Apple for Intel
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I didn’t say anything to the contrary. You need to follow up the trail of replies to see my point.
The T2 chip.. I see.
Up next, Microsoft hires the Safari lead to revamp IE.
Up next, Microsoft hires the Safari lead to revamp IE.
Darth Tulhu
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I wonder if he was always a PC guy at heart.
Will he continue to use Macs, iPads, AirPods, iPhones, etc. in his personal life?
I'm an Apple fan but use PCs for work (I get no choice). They are serviceable and more than capable enough but I get ZERO pleasure from using them.
My iPads and Macs are a joy.
Will he continue to use Macs, iPads, AirPods, iPhones, etc. in his personal life?
I'm an Apple fan but use PCs for work (I get no choice). They are serviceable and more than capable enough but I get ZERO pleasure from using them.
My iPads and Macs are a joy.
It’s bizarre to think that where you work has anything to do with what products you like. I was designing powerPCs for apple when I was a windows/Unix fan, and I was designing x86 CPUs for AMD when I fell in love with Apple‘s Macs.
Ok now I get it: every single high profile HR change from Apple will get a headline, when in reality, these should’ve gone from radar range already. Unless maybe, company changes their CEO or sth. Basically, Johnny Ive leave worths a headline, and Tim Cook leave (eventually) worth a headline, and nothing else.
To this movement specifically, I have a feeling Nothing will impact Apple at all, just like other commenters points out. Idk, like, what hurts apple during all of this? I know good talents are hard to come by, but there’s gonna be enough around even in CPU design industry right?
To this movement specifically, I have a feeling Nothing will impact Apple at all, just like other commenters points out. Idk, like, what hurts apple during all of this? I know good talents are hard to come by, but there’s gonna be enough around even in CPU design industry right?
A person that strives to move up in title/money. Some do that, some don't. Advantages to both sides. I don't agree with his choices, but that's fine.
I wonder if this guy was the Catalyst for Apple offering up-to $180K USD "retention" bonuses.
I personally believe AAPL's stock price played a BIG factor in his decision.
Over just the past five years, AAPL's stock has gone up 10x more than INTC.
However, the deciding factor could have been the "Intel Fellow" tag !
To this EE who grew up in Silicon Valley, & probably many others working there, that's worth something !
I personally believe AAPL's stock price played a BIG factor in his decision.
Over just the past five years, AAPL's stock has gone up 10x more than INTC.
However, the deciding factor could have been the "Intel Fellow" tag !
To this EE who grew up in Silicon Valley, & probably many others working there, that's worth something !
Darth Tulhu
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It doesn't, and I never alluded to that. Apple is the reason I fell in love with (their) computers. Until then, I merely used them to finalize my military flight line (digital) paperwork and do very basic Internet things (we're talking 1999 here). I never really had an interest in them prior to that.
Then I saw the Bondi Blue iMac and EVERYTHING changed.
Not everyone here is a career IT person. I work in IT now, but I'm a mechanic at heart, so how things work and aesthetics matter more to me than what I can do with them. And to me Apple products have always been works of art, inside and out. PCs are (very effective and sometimes more capable) tools, in my mind. I use them 'cause I need to, not because I want to.
And to be clear, that's just me. I'm sure there's plenty of folks out there where the converse is true, and I'm more than fine with that.
EDIT: I'm in awe with what PC builders are doing today with hardware. I would love to design and build a machine; I'm a sucker for the water-cooled, RGB'd, clear-cased gaming behemoths out there. But they run Windows (ugly and sometimes unwieldy) or Linux (too much work for me). I simply like Apple's style more. That's all. And I just wouldn't need it.
I'm living the iPhone/iPad/AirPods Life and happy as hell.
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are there no anti competitor clauses for X months in the US? Especially in that position and working there for 8 years
That’s perfectly fine as long as the secrets he divulges is in a way no one can be held legally liable. The ones Apple or Intel would be concerned with are only the ones where someone COULD be held legally liable.
I will always see Itanium as Intel’s realization that x86 was heading for a VERY complex dead end and this was their opportunity to start fresh, iterate over time and eventually be able to build their future on a better designed foundation. Unfortunately for them, customers weren’t happy with the initial offerings for several reasons, and competitors were ready to take advantage of the situation. I still feel that, while they may have lost share in the short term, leaving all the cruft behind would have meant a more reliable cadence of releases and the ability to regain that share. Orrr, just wishful thinking
Partially because most of the movement for ARM servers in contexts where the org is deploying/provisioning 12 systems per week (or perhaps 12/month ) rather than 12 systems per year.
The other major disconnect is that VMWare hasn't had much of a ARM solution until now so if your system is "known" to the Dell/HP/Lenovo sales reps as a "up over their eyeballs deep VMWare" shop , there is little point in pitching you something that your software doesn't run on.
Lenovo does/did have HR330A and HR350A
servers :: thinksystem hyperscale :: hr330a - Lenovo Support US
It is tagged as a hyperscale product. Again not really going to be pitched to a non Hypercaler shop. But also yes Lenovo hasn't picked up on the newest Ampere offerings. ( In part, because hyperscalers are dumping (or perhaps more accurately bypassing ) HP/Dell/Lenovo for bulk server buys. IN part also because folks like Ampere are also looking to cut out middle-man and just sell the whole logic board with server CPU included to users. )
HP and Dell are largely sitting it out. The one megacorp that also was persuing Ampere system sales is/was Huawei . And that ran into trade-war issues. [ HPE has done a couple of semi-custom jobs for folks on contract. ]
As for ARM servers going "no where" ...
"... This year, AWS Graviton-based instances also powered much of Amazon Prime Day 2021 and supported 12 core retail services during the massive 2-day online shopping event. ... "
https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/comput...aws-graviton-challenge-contest-and-hackathon/
Amazon is provision new ARM at a > 1.2x multiple of the new Inte/AMD server deployment across AWS.
But yeah you can't outright buy one of those servers for a private server farm.
Can get to Ampere instances at Oracle
Oracle Cloud Giving Away Ampere Arm A1 Instances Always Free
Oracle Cloud is giving away Ampere Altra-based Arm A1 instances in its Always Free Tier with 4 cores and 24GB of memory
There are some Chinese hyperscalers with growing "clusters" of ARM.
An article entitled "where to buy an ARM server" here
ampere – miniNodes Arm Servers
www.mininodes.com
With relatively high rates of growth there is a steady stream of "new pods for new services" coming on line that can absorb workloads that need a homogenous failover cluster/pod provisioning. Live migration sometimes doesn't even work between Intel and AMD x86-64 implementations. Let alone nodes with different architectures. So shops that only add incrementally in small spurts around the edges tend to buy what they already have. ( even more so if there is a heavy hand of "if it ain't broke don't fix it" mindset in the shop. The old 'nobody got fired for buying IBM' and "one throat to choke' service contracts mindset. )
midize to large shops with modest (to slow) growth are the last place ARM servers are likely to show up. So no surprise at all they are not there. the x86_64 server status quo shifting over to AMD is slowing down ARM penetration even more. For Dell/HP/Lenovo that's an even easier pitch to risk adverse clients.
At this point AMD has enough money that they can join Intel in waiving financial incentives and resources at Dell/HP/Lenovo's face to back burner any huge attention paid to ARM server chips.
The other problem is that there isn't a dominate , long term player emerged in ARM server market. Marvell dropped out. Qualcomm dropped out ( a while back). Qualcomm buying Nuvia and re-targeting their work to client solutions is pragmatically yet another 'drop out'. Ampere is making rumbling about doing more "made to order" offerings for large players. And Apple doesn't really change Server picture in that in their focus is on laptops and not selling to anyone else. (pragmatically pretty close to being another Amazon AWS in terms of random/commodity off the shelf buys possible. )
The Nvidia acquisition of ARM falling through should help ARM to stay on status quo upgrade path for their server Neoverse designs. If that grows over the next 2-3 years at a steady pace a generic ARM server player probably will emerge from somewhere.
https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?lawCode=BPC§ionNum=16600.
Except as provided in this chapter, every contract by which anyone is restrained from engaging in a lawful profession, trade, or business of any kind is to that extent void.
https://www.perkinsasbill.com/are-non-compete-agreements-enforceable-in-california
A non-competition agreement, as its name implies, is a contract restricting someone’s ability to compete with a business, usually after termination of a relationship with that business.
In most U.S. states, employment agreements routinely contain non-compete provisions. The ostensible purpose of a non-compete is to shield an employer from the expense of training an employee, only to have the employee quit and put those skills to work for a competitor. Courts in most states will generally enforce a non-compete so long as it is reasonably limited in its subject-matter, geographic scope, and duration, and provided it serves a legitimate business purpose. What constitutes a reasonable limitation and a legitimate purpose varies from state-to-state and case-to-case.
California, however, is different. Here, state law effectively bans agreements not to compete between employers and employees. California Business and Professions Code (BPC) §16600 states, in no uncertain terms, that:
Except as provided in this chapter, every contract by which anyone is restrained from engaging in a lawful profession, trade, or business of any kind is to that extent void.
California courts have consistently interpreted this statutory language to mean that, by-and-large, agreements restricting employees from competing with their former employers constitute unreasonable restraints on trade, and are void.
Ive, it could be said, has a legacy that some might say irrefutable. Does anyone care he left Apple?
I am more interested in what this person's reasons were to have left Apple for Intel. Clearly, they might have allowed him more freedom to operate on his ideas than Apple did. Money could not possibly be an issue here.
The consumers love putting one face to team effort. It's sad, but that's how it goes, and fan(atic)s love it.
this because of the lame t-shirt?
Hey, we love our merch and take it very, very seriously.
Also, I must say, exciting times ahead for Intel.
Anytime someone is down, it gives them opportunities to rise and create magic. Consumers benefit from companies that fight to create better products.
Anytime someone is down, it gives them opportunities to rise and create magic. Consumers benefit from companies that fight to create better products.
Most of those companies are doing incremental design of their servers. ARM has a server baseline design , Neoverse series. The ARM server solutions with traction are largely variants of that at this point. Amazon Graviton and Ampere.
However, Qualcomm has already redirected the Nuvia "server chip" crew onto at least the laptop PC market. Up in the air whether that works out or not. That is a custom ( architecture license ) approach.
"... Qualcomm CEO Cristiano Amon made it crystal clear when Nuvia was acquired that they were going after the high-performance ultraportable laptop market, with both Intel and Apple in the crosshairs. ... "
Qualcomm x Nuvia: Silicon Sampling in Late 2022, Products in 2023
Intel has already announced that they are working toward weaving in specific workload accelerators into their future server chips. the baseline instruction set isn't going to be a critical factor if the bulk of the specific critical workloads can be moved onto accelerators.
Besdies Intel already does ship ARM cores in some of their products. FPGA products. IPU/DPU (Infrastructure processing units / data processing unit ) For example. Neoverse N1 units in the Mt Evan product
https://www.servethehome.com/intel-mount-evans-dpu-ipu-arm-accelerator-at-hot-chips-33/
But if you believe macrumors, that face changes every 6 months; each time someone leaves Apple, THAT was the guy who was the superstar in charge of everything.
Wouldn’t matter if it did - non-competes are invalid in California except in very rare circumstances. That’s how Silicon Valley became Silicon Valley.