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Key Takeaways of 2018 MacBook Pro vs. 2017 MacBook Pro
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Good summary.
I’d rather see models without touchbar.
Sad to see them ignore the low end. Maybe more announcements later? No updates to mini, non touchbar MacBook Pro, MacBook.
Where is the new arm Mac?
I’d rather see models without touchbar.
Sad to see them ignore the low end. Maybe more announcements later? No updates to mini, non touchbar MacBook Pro, MacBook.
Where is the new arm Mac?
I'm not sure exactly what you meant here, but the shift wasn't hard for me to embrace because it made things easier for me. The ports on a MBP have never been enough for my needs. There hasn't been a day in my life as an Apple laptop owner in which I didn't need a dongle, adapter, or hub for something. "Undocking" my MBP used to involve unplugging as many as 5 cables. Now, I just have to deal with one. Everything else plugs into my 5K monitor so when I hook into my external monitor, I get power, display, and a ludicrous array of peripherals that I have connected.
Thunderbolt 3 over USB-C gives you flexibility like never before. I can't believe that people are unwilling to even try it because they're boiling with rage over not having USB-A ports. Adapters for those ports are ridiculously cheap. Here's a 5 pack of USB-C to USB-A adapters for less than $8 US on Amazon.com! Just buy a pack and put one on every USB-A device you own.
The irony of the people who refuse to touch an adapter is that a world in which USB-C and Thunderbolt 3 become the standards actually means fewer dongles and adapters because that one port does everything. All of your legacy ports only do one thing and have very specific requirements for how they can connect to anything. I have a huge box of cables, adapters, and interfaces for legacy ports that I need to pull out whenever I have to do some work on an older machine. If Thunderbolt 3 becomes the standard, ten years from now I won't need that box of legacy connectors. I'll just need one type of cable regardless of if I need to hook up a monitor, SSD, video camera, projector, printer, or a network.
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I don't think that's true. Someone here explained to me a while back that adding MagSafe to the MBP that is already using USB-C charging is not as easy as people think it is. Even if there was space available, you can't just casually add electricity into a computer and expect it to charge the battery or not damage the computer.
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I rarely use dongles, and am not bothered about loss of MagSafe because these stupid USBC cables constantly come unattached for me anyway, so many times my Mac or iPhone stop charging because the USBC cable has come slightly unattached.
I’ve got used to the keyboard and don’t mind it.
I don’t mind the glowing apple is gone.
But that’s just it it’s all ‘don’t mind’ because it’s a machine of compromise.
What I do mind is it’s f***** slow for doing real work, I paid around £4000 for this machine... Also accidental presses of the touchbar is annoying why didn’t they sue 3D Touch for the button presses OMG, the hardware is already there for the touchpad.
It’s my worst and most expensive Mac ever, i’m certainly not going to shell out £6000 for a top spec Mac which will have many of the same flaws and will likely still be slow even if it is “70%” faster.
It’s also the last time I preorder an Apple product, will be reading them reviews first!
> Apple says the 15-inch model is up to 70 percent faster, and the 13-inch model is up to two times faster, than
> the equivalent 2017 models
But can they make a keyboard that doesn't break down after 12 months?
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I hate the touchbar. I have accidentally sent away half-written emails because of it. I now have all functionality disabled. I wish their new keyboard was never invented.
Give me a MBP 2015 with a better processor.
> the equivalent 2017 models
But can they make a keyboard that doesn't break down after 12 months?
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I hate the touchbar. I have accidentally sent away half-written emails because of it. I now have all functionality disabled. I wish their new keyboard was never invented.
Give me a MBP 2015 with a better processor.
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So basically this thing is just a slightly souped-up version of the previous MacBook "Pro", which was a joke, which means this thing is also a joke. NO THANKS.
My tolerance for Apple's navel gazing has about reached its limit.
My tolerance for Apple's navel gazing has about reached its limit.
You can choose from a vast array of pc options.
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Calling it "3rd Generation" is what would be known as a "tacit admission" that they re-designed. To have done so in the midst of the recall and repair program without fixing any issues would be unfathomable. I'm sure it's better.
As someone who types all day for a living - and I do love my Matias and daskeyboard keyboards, I thought I would never like the non-chicklet MBP boards. I was wrong. I now prefer the newer style ones. I didn't like the first generation so much, but they actually fixed a lot when then went to Gen 2. I am hoping Gen 3 is even better.
PC options that are faster and far more advanced.
This is not true. People were asking for USB-A ports, magsafe, SD cards to return and they are not happy with the new keyboard plus they bumped the prices. People were also hoping for more capable computers not something that will melt running 4-year old games.
I assumed that it would be fixed, too...but CNET says that Apple says otherwise: https://www.cnet.com/news/apple-says-new-macbook-pro-keyboard-wont-fix-sticky-key-issue/
This is fact.
This is opinion.
This is a silly strawman. Nobody is asking for anything approaching a Razer Blade. Keeping a few extra ports around doesn't require anything approaching a Razer Blade. This is silly. You're not debating in good faith.
No. This isn't a professional product, it's essentially a MacBook Air with a Pro label slapped on it. I'm glad you're happy with it, but that's just as subjective as my own opinion (and I've never claimed I wasn't subjective).
Well, not "exactly". My biggest sticking point is the cost of the 1TB SSD which is really essential for my work. I've been struggling away with a 512GB in my 2016, and it's a constant irritation (I work in music/audio, in collaborations that often involve video as well). It is in no way unreasonable to have hoped that the entry-level would have been increased to 512GB, with 1TB as the first upgrade option. As it stands, the price on the 1TB upgrade is the same as it was in 2016. But more to the point, releasing a pro-level machine with a 256GB SSD is just absurd.
Mind you, I do understand your general frustration. Spec-wise, it's a pretty awesome machine they've released. If I had the dough, I'd definitely be upgrading.
Not true. I have one courtesy of my employer and I think it's a disappointing piece of crap. Too many compromises for the sake of aesthetics that destroy utility and usability.
Nah, a lot of us just learned to accept it. I’d rather not have it, but I’m not going to go out of my way to avoid it either. Comes in handy sometimes, but it’s mostly just useless for me.
Type of ram in 2018 is DDR4 which is supposedly worse at energy efficiency than LPDDR3 used in 2016/2017.
Interesting view, I haven't had to to deal with this yet (I have a desktop and iPad), but you have really good points here.
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And you thought Apple would provide that?
The prices didn't jump. They just didn't decrease.
I have had both Windows and Mac machines since the iBook. Honestly Macs in the PowerPC days were always slower and steadier, but more efficient (once OSX hit). They lasted forever, but Mac has always gone in slightly interesting directions. No one does MagSafe, and I would miss it if I still had a MacBook, but the rest of that stuff (especially the gaming--Mac has always ALWAYS always ignored the gamer) you need a Windows machine.
That will not change ever. You might as well switch now and go find WindowsRumors.com.
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I would guess that those that are using it as a desktop also would find it mostly meh. You are going to have a keyboard, mouse, second display, etc., etc. Thus it won't be part of your general workflows.
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I have a touchbar and I would prefer a normal keyboard, even if the price was the same. It's useless and more an inconvenience than of any help. The only time I use it, it is for the ESC-key, but that is because it is not available as an ordinary key.
I do like the fingerprint sensor, but Apple could have put it in, or at, the track pad.
There are now Coffee Lake CPUs in the 13-inch (4c/8t) and 15-inch (6c/12t) TouchBar models and while the GPUs are just upchucks, they are the state of the art from AMD as this is a bridge year for their GPUs while they rollout Ryzen 2 and Threadripper 2. Unfortunately, 7nm Navi won't be ready until next year and Polaris 30 12nm is still only rumored for Q4/2018, which would have been really nice, but Apple could not wait that long to move to Coffee Lake, based on the howling masses in the MacRumors forums who have been criticizing Apple for not having them released in April when the CPUs were announced by Intel.
The Kaby Lake is still in the non-Touch Bar 13-inch MacBook Pro as Intel has yet to introduce Coffee Lake 15w U-Series CPUs that contain Iris Plus GPUs. The core i5-8250U, i5-8350U, i7-8550U and i7-8650U all use Intel UHD Graphics which Apple has been unwilling to put in the 13-inch MacBook Pros, unlike the PC OEMs.
It is an issue precisely because you need an adapter.
Are you always carrying one (or more) of those in your pocket?
I've seen it countless times. An impromptu meeting starts, people bring their laptops in a hurry, and then there is always the one that has forgotten to bring the adapter. The ones that have the port always make a joke or two.
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There is a plateau, but sales aren't going down as a lot of people complaining would expect.
Also, the PC market has been going down for the past 6-7 years so plateauing is actually better than the rest.
Because, for better or worse, they have opted for a port that is based on an open standard (USB-C Power Delivery) which is more flexible and allows a wider range of solutions already and even more in the future as the market matures and catches up. MagSafe was a proprietary port that was almost 100% exclusively limited to what Apple provided. I miss MagSafe a little, but just a little.