All other things equal, that MagSafe port could have been another usb C port. If there is space for 4 ports and a MagSafe port, there is space for 5 usb c ports. And so on.
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All other things equal, that MagSafe port could have been another usb C port. If there is space for 4 ports and a MagSafe port, there is space for 5 usb c ports. And so on.
That's one heck of a CPU upgrade, and now people who even don't need 32GiB of RAM can stop complaining about the lack of the option 
Except I'd still rather have my 2015 model cause the keyboard and ports matter.
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Except I'd still rather have my 2015 model cause the keyboard and ports matter.
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Well at least the tech employees I know all stuck with the old one. It's kinda the default gold standard laptop.
You might consider tossing a $15 el-cheapo but breadcrumb-resistant external BT keyboard with you all the time to supplete your 7+ grand MBP.
It may stick slightly out of your 7 pound dongle bag, though.
Joni-style portability - my god, makes me wonder if those clowns ever travel around with their own gear...[/, QUOTE]
This design flaw stuff happened at BMW also. Around 2005 BMW made cars that humans could not sit in the rear seats because their heads hit the roof. They hired some new guy to do the BMW body designs and he was a fool.
Apple - lacking reason - decided to pickup on what "Steve" used to like a little bit - "Thin-ness" So they fought hard to make a gizmo super thin at all costs.
With the reminder of how Apple took big leaps by obsoleting things like floppy drives and CDROM drives, and going USB - and how the flak they received turned out to be all wrong, while Apple was right and even visionary - well - this hubris caused them to do some stupid things on the Mac Book Pro in 2015 or whatever. The Giant trackpad is a Wishlist thing that really doesn't do much for me. The fingerprint ID is nice, but the rest of the stuff I can barely see - and it's a total virtual moving target - I never know what to expect or what to do with whatever is on there. The deletion of "MagSafe" did not make my latest MacBook Pro better. I really wish they kept the SD card slot. The side vents are so sharp I nearly cut myself. I have a couple of keys that don't work properly and I did not want to take the time yet to take it in for the recall. So..... money solves it - I buy a new one and after I set up the new machine, I can erase the old one and take it to the resales place and they can do the "keyboard recall" repair thing.
For decades I have had the best Mac Book or Power book - So I will always have the latest model, but wow - this one was a bad one, and I hope they use a different "Johnny Ives" guy to do the product design. Surely they must realize this.
Don't get me started on "dongles". - Super thing modern laptop, but I have to find a stupid, overpriced dongle wire to do some of the most basic things. How does that match up to "lightweight and thin and durable laptop"? It doesn't. It's bad design. Must be over a year for USB-C - but still I don't see it everywhere yet.
What about all that firewire 400 800 Thunderbolt 1 2 3 ? Cripes! All this garbage just so we could have thinner hardware? I'd rather see lightweight pushed more than "thin-ness".
No way I'll get an external keyboard haha. The new one will work and I'm hopeful it will be fine.
Hey I still miss Eudora for Email. I still miss "Sherlock" - So many things do not work anymore properly and I seem to be one of the only guys who even remembers how it was.
Anyway - that is my rant.
And it’s sad to have to buy a 15” to get the fastest chips and memory. Why is that?
Why can’t we buy small light laptops that control portable Mac mini with fastest latest processor and SSDs
You know what, when I first for my touchbar, didn't really see the point in it.. now.. I use the emoji picker on imessage all day long! (I do it on the iphone too), to me it's much easier typing haha and getting a laughing face emoji, then actually looking for it on my emoji list (ya I know it'll be on my 'frequency used ones' but still)
Do they still solder ram/ssd, rivet keyboard and glue battery in place to the extent that repairs are costly to the consumer or have they listened to their customers and improved this?
I’m still searching for ways in which it is actually faster and/or more functional than conventional workflows. Could you please tell us how/what for you use the touchbar?
Announcing that it's a "non-issue" does not magically make it so. It may not be an issue for you. It is for some of us. Why is this so difficult for some of you to comprehend? I don't want an adapter. I want the ports I expect on a professional grade machine. The fact that *you* don't need them doesn't mean *I* don't need them. *You* perceive it as a "non-issue," I perceive it as an issue. This shouldn't be hard to understand.
And the faster I/O and the charge via USB-C battery pack features.
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DDR3 RAM on the 13” model, so Apple showing the middle finger there, lol!!! Charging $1,799...!!!!! My God these people are unable to have consistency even with their updates...
For anyone who had any doubts that it’s ALL about costs/margins, the new MBP’s are a prime example of this!!
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But for 1,799 you can get a hi-spec pc equivalent and have rest money to spend on other things...
Apple today introduced new 13-inch and 15-inch MacBook Pro with Touch Bar models, now available to order from its online store.
As with any new product launch, there is a wealth of information to sift through, so we've created a list of key takeaways about the 2018 MacBook Pro lineup, particularly as it compares to the 2017 MacBook Pro lineup.
2018 MacBook Pros feature eighth-generation Intel Core processors. Apple says the 15-inch model is up to 70 percent faster, and the 13-inch model is up to two times faster, than the equivalent 2017 models with seventh-generation Intel Core processors in benchmarks.15-inch models can now be maxed out with a 2.9GHz six-core Core i9 processor, while the previous generation topped out at a 3.1GHz quad-core Core i7. Quad-core 13-inch models with the Touch Bar are now available, up to 2.7GHz, while 2017 models were dual-core up to 3.5GHz.
15-inch models have much-requested support for up to 32GB of DDR4 RAM, compared to 16GB of LPDDR3 RAM on 2017 models, accommodated by a 10 percent increase in the battery's watt-hour rating. Overall battery life remains up to 10 hours per full charge.
AMD's Radeon Pro graphics cards now come with 4GB of GDDR5 memory standard on 15-inch models, while 13-inch models now have 128MB of embedded DRAM, compared to 64MB on 2017 models. Otherwise, the graphics remain the same.
2018 MacBook Pros have an Apple T2 chip with "Hey Siri" support, versus an Apple T1 chip in 2017 models. The T2 chip integrates several previously separate components, including the system management controller, image signal processor, audio controller, and SSD controller.
Apple now offers doubled SSD storage capacities of up to 2TB for 13-inch models and up to 4TB for 15-inch models, compared to up to 1TB for 13-inch models and up to 2TB for 15-inch models in 2017.
2018 MacBook Pros now feature True Tone displays, including the Touch Bar, on 13-inch and 15-inch models. Like the latest iPhone and iPad displays, the white balance automatically adjusts to match the color temperature of the light around you for a more natural viewing experience.
2018 MacBook Pros now feature an "improved third-generation keyboard for quieter typing," but they still use butterfly switches, and it's unclear if the new keyboard addresses the issues with sticky, repeating, or unresponsive keys that prompted Apple's new service program.
2018 MacBook Pros feature Bluetooth 5.0, up from Bluetooth 4.2. 802.11ac Wi-Fi remains unchanged.
2018 MacBook Pro models have the same overall design and I/O as their 2017 equivalents, with four Thunderbolt 3 ports, a 3.5mm headphone jack, Space Gray or Silver finishes, and so forth. 13-inch model still weighs three pounds, and 15-inch still weighs four.
2018 MacBook Pros also have unchanged display resolutions of 2880×1800 for 15-inch models and 2560×1600 for 13-inch models.
13-inch models start at $1,799 and 15-inch models start at $2,399 in the United States, the same pricing as 2017 models. However, configure-to-order prices top out higher, primarily due to larger storage options.
13-inch MacBook Pro models without the Touch Bar were not refreshed today.MacRumors will have continued coverage of the new MacBook Pro lineup throughout the week, so keep checking back.
Article Link: Key Takeaways of 2018 MacBook Pro vs. 2017 MacBook Pro
DDR3 RAM on the 13” model, so Apple showing the middle finger there, lol!!! Charging $1,799...!!!!! My God these people are unable to have consistency even with their updates...
For anyone who had any doubts that it’s ALL about costs/margins, the new MBP’s are a prime example of this!!
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But for 1,799 you can get a hi-spec pc equivalent and have rest money to spend on other things...
It probably wasn't just the 10% battery size, I'm guessing they changed a little bit more.
Like the type of RAM? Newer lower power other stuff? and more integrated parts?
An HDMI port is real handy, but my point is that it still doesn’t get you very far. Give me an HDMI port and I still need a dongle because sometimes I have to hook into an old projector that only takes VGA. Actually, I run into that a lot. I plug into VGA more than anything else because everyone seems to have something that still uses VGA and there’s always a VGA cable lying around. One time I was given an HDMI TV to use, but they had no HDMI cable to HDMI cable. They only had a DVI to HDMI cable, which was fine because my multidisplay adapter includes a DVI adapter. An HDMI port is nice, lbut ots of us will still need a dongle.
You are right about USB-A still being the standard, but I’m going to embrace Thunderbolt over USB-C as much as possible because it is awesome. It may not be convenient (yet) but it is awesome and one way in which it is awesome is that if adoption of it goes up, I can stop carrying around all these dongles that everyone bellyaches about while ironically clinging to their favorite legacy ports which could be mostly replaced by a single port standard.
Besides, adapting USB-A to to C is a snap. I get why people are annoyed about not having ports and I wish they hadn’t gotten rid of the SD card slot So soon, but if you can’t easily get around not having USB-A ports, you’re just lazy.
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Are you the gate keeper?reflect and see what Apple has done to you. Dongles have become like keys on a ring, are you a dongle master (key master)
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As a recovering keyboard fanatic, I can tell you that keyboards are a lot more complex than people think they are... at least when it comes to ambitious keyboards, which the Apple keyboards would qualify as. We’ve come to take them for granted because when companies play it safe, keyboards are pretty stable tech.
There are lots of kickstarters and small companies trying to invent a more clever keyboard and run into all sorts of problems. Jamming 90 some switches into a very tight space and what was otherwise a bunch of boring switches is now a tangle of circuits that can get crossed up and act unpredictably under stress.
I’m not excusing Apple for making failure prone keyboards, but if you wanna be real, you can’t say that a keyboard is just a series of buttons.
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I do need them, and have them through the use of a single Satechi multi adapter, leaving three other TB3 ports usable for more important, nay PRO uses. This is a far better, more versatile setup than pre-2016 models. This is fact, not opinion.
If you want those ports taking up valuable realestate, get a Razer Blade. Otherwise, give up the fruitless whining about your own subjective and less capable, outdated, inefficient preferences not being adhered to by a contemporary, professional product.
Someone who is willing to embrace the shift, perhaps out of enthusiasm, fandom, or maybe just because he doesn’t know any better. Compared to those who do know better, but just see the challenges in changing and use those challenges to anchor criticism.
You have my respect for that. Whatever it’s worth.
Looks like the steep prices have to make up for the keyboard overhaul.
Unlikely that the keyboard is just more quiet, that's an euphemism for not having to say, hey folks we screwed up!
Interesting how not a single online source saw this launch coming.
Good on you, Apple, surprised everyone!
Unlikely that the keyboard is just more quiet, that's an euphemism for not having to say, hey folks we screwed up!
Interesting how not a single online source saw this launch coming.
Good on you, Apple, surprised everyone!
I hope they adjusted something else than the typing noise on the "3rd generation keyboard", it's too flat and is generally pretty bad to type on for anything longer than IM or a short email.
To think Apple had the best notebook keyboards on the market for decades, and they managed to completemly screw that up.
To think Apple had the best notebook keyboards on the market for decades, and they managed to completemly screw that up.
Apple, why still keep the damn 720p FaceTime Video camera?
I think MKBHD did an explanation of this (for iPhones but it translates over to Macs).
Essentially Apple have changed their target market. They now cater to the rich only. They know that rich people aren’t going to have a problem upgrading to higher capacity, better graphics, more RAM etc. so they make those upgrades crazy prices and the base models come with so little that nobody wants. The base models aren’t intended to be bought by anyone but those who really want a Mac but don’t have the budget. Apple don’t care how many of those they sell anymore - we are not their target market. Rich people with boats, companies with massive IT budgets, etc. aren’t on these forums expressing their outrage; they’re out buying the Macs they want while the rest of us who unfortunately got caught up in the Apple “bubble” when prices were reasonable, are stuck with either saying goodbye to Apple or taking out dangerous credit lines to keep our computers relevant.
Maybe for you it is an advantage. I find MagSafe to be one of the best implementation of charging ever. I use both at the same time (I mean MS and USB) and always prefer the MS. Magnetic latch in the darkness is best! Also I dont find any need to carry external battery to charge laptop. Its more convenient with only single adapter than carry charger and battery.
I feel the same way about glowing logo on the back. maybe it is not very useful but was one of my favorite "features" of Apple laptops. Removing it is a joke. And yes I have heard about thikness of the screen etc etc. That does not convince me at all. There are million options to implement it if they want to.
I've heard from Reddit that man bought his Mac like a month ago, contacted Apple, because he wanted a new one, returned his and they even presented him with a pair of Beats.
I think the last update actually is quite compelling and is bringing the MBP's on the level you would expect and feel good about buying. It's a bad move Apple didn't update the non-touchbar models but I am surprised that Apple released the refresh with Back To School and did not use that campaign to clear off old inventory. So they ripp off students only through their pricing..
My 2010 13" unibody MacBook Pro (the better 2.66 processor and larger 250GB storage) was €1149, my 2014 13" rMBP 256GB SSD was €1400, now you get the 13" ntbMBP 256GB for €1749 or the tbMBP for €1999. Nearly double the price within 8 years.
I'd like the new 15" MBP (especially when you consider that the 15" now costs about the same as a 13" with an upgrade to the same 16GB ram and one processor upgrade) but the price makes me think about whether my 2014 will make it another two years until the redesign should come around 2020.
My 2010 13" unibody MacBook Pro (the better 2.66 processor and larger 250GB storage) was €1149, my 2014 13" rMBP 256GB SSD was €1400, now you get the 13" ntbMBP 256GB for €1749 or the tbMBP for €1999. Nearly double the price within 8 years.
I'd like the new 15" MBP (especially when you consider that the 15" now costs about the same as a 13" with an upgrade to the same 16GB ram and one processor upgrade) but the price makes me think about whether my 2014 will make it another two years until the redesign should come around 2020.