Just go ahead and start production of the bigger models now. And discontinue the X. No need to wait till the fall.
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KGI: Apple to Discontinue iPhone X Rather Than Sell at Lower Price When Second-Generation Model Launches
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I give up, you just don’t get it. Anyone else have want to take this one? lol
Last try. I have to continually bring down the control center window to check vpn, battery%, Bluetooth because there is not enough room on the "ears" for that info. It’s a pain to have to do it, another extra step. Apple could put all that info on a straight line under the ears, but that would also look like a waste of space I guess. So I prefer a solid bezel at the top of the screen housing the camera etc. No cutting into the screen, basically. (That is what they are doing on the future galaxy s9, lucky for them they will escape the notch.) That way the the status bar would make sense and fit all the little "status’ info that makes the statusbar so useful to begin with.
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Believe me. I do nothing passively, and yes not liking the design is one of my issues with it. More concerning is setting $1,000 as an entry level for a smart phone. Wait for the individual unit sales in Feb. Most agree with my view.
This is a dastardly money play (and smart) by Apple. I know tons of people who were like "I'm just going to wait until next year when the X price drops."
lol. Not anymore.
lol. Not anymore.
Also hard to believe that most of these folks who hate the X so much couldn't have figured that out in the first 2 weeks and returned it. I love my iPhone X too.
Even if Samsung offers one, many people would use a 3rd party app or Google app before the stock app. Samsung's smart watches aren't as popular with developers as Apple Watches are. You're not going to get the same hand offs between a Galaxy S8 -> Samsung Tab S3 -> Windows without some sort of third party programs/apps or some extra steps. Apple has it more natively.
If you want to boil it down to the bare essence, Moto G5 Plus can do most of the needed smartphone features today: email, SMS/MMS, web browse, download apps, take photos or videos, social media, GPS, make calls. If people use an Xperia, they won't see a working FP sensor in the US. The purchaser has to go beyond ordinary means to activate their FP sensor. That is not the same experience as iOS or Samsung. Samsung also requires you to fiddle with settings to even get the WQHD+ screen at its full capabilities. People might not like that curved display either. I find the curves gimmicky.
Had the X since launch except a 10 day break where I upgraded storage size. Used every iPhone except the c. Couple points:
1. This is a great year to be on the iPhone upgrade program.
2. Face ID is not proven yet. I suspect the new phone will have belt-and-suspenders approach if Touch ID under screen and face ID.
3. I think Apple has data showing Face ID introduced many failed auth attempts and is slower for Apple Pay.
I suspect these two issues alone are reason enough to move people away from this hardware ASAP.
I suspect Apple will keep the big screen, and gestures. But we may see exterior buttons move. (I’ve triggered emergency /shutdown screen many times by accident trying to sleep the device)
I don’t think this is about sales or pricing, but about these other issues which are far harder to point out without the data only Apple has.
1. This is a great year to be on the iPhone upgrade program.
2. Face ID is not proven yet. I suspect the new phone will have belt-and-suspenders approach if Touch ID under screen and face ID.
3. I think Apple has data showing Face ID introduced many failed auth attempts and is slower for Apple Pay.
I suspect these two issues alone are reason enough to move people away from this hardware ASAP.
I suspect Apple will keep the big screen, and gestures. But we may see exterior buttons move. (I’ve triggered emergency /shutdown screen many times by accident trying to sleep the device)
I don’t think this is about sales or pricing, but about these other issues which are far harder to point out without the data only Apple has.
It's hard to argue when they sell 225M/yr. I think they just want a wide lineup of options because the strategy of selling low, mid, and high cost iPhones seems to resonate with customers.
I REALLY hope you are right, I can live with a notch if it gets small enough, but living with no Touch-ID was a bad experience.
There's a whole thread of folks talking about the struggles they have w Touch ID. Not that Touch ID is bad per se, but that it isn't enough on its own.
I really think that discontinuing the X is about getting rid of single auth from Face ID. Oddly, I don't think it is only about unlocking the phone, (which is really annoying when it doesn't work when you're in the dark half face in the pillow.)
I think it is about Apple Pay. Apple Pay actually kind of sucks on iPhone X. It added a step _after_ a face scan of the awkward double press of the button. The additional width and opposite position from the up volume button make this much harder than it was on Touch ID.
Apple Pay is one of the most important parts of the entire Apple ecosystem. If Apple Pay fails because of the UX of Face ID and someone isn't able to use it, it is a major, major problem.
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Agree. Apple Pay with touch ID was super fast 1 step and seamless, now its multiple steps
1. "Apart from the dual lens camera." So, you claim they have the "exact same features" and then immediately have to backtrack to say, "Ugh, you can't include the dual-lens camera." OK, fine. First of all, Face ID is so entirely different, more sophisticated, and implemented via more powerful and nuanced tech that I certainly consider it both different and better than Samsung's facial recognition, thus I would consider it a separate feature, but I'll let that slide here. There's still 3D Touch--a major hardware implementation that Samsung does not feature on the S8 or anywhere on its line. And correct me if I'm wrong, but they don't have a TrueTone equivalent either, right (something like Night Shift doesn't count)? That's just quickly off the top of my head.
2. Dude, stop trying to rewrite history. Here is your exact, original quote: "Hmm well this basically means 1000 set price for the standard iPhone, the model that will have the same features as the a galaxy series which will cost half the price!" Half of 1000 is exactly 500. Ergo, you said the S8 costs $499. Unless you were talking about the Note 8, which would be even more disingenuous of you? I'm attaching a screenshot of your post.
3. "The Note 8 already has it [dual lens camera]." I'm aware, and I'm also aware that's completely irrelevant. You said the S8 line (which encapsulates the regular S8, not just the Note)--which costs "half the price!!!!!"--has all the same features, then in another post you mention them adding a dual-lens camera in the future. Hence, you outed yourself as being full of sh** on that original comment--they don't have the same features. Further, switching solely to a Note 8 vs X comparison after the crux of your argument was that Samsung "sells it at half the price!" would be even more of a lie. No, you made it a point to claim that Samsung was offering the same features currently in phones priced exactly half as much as the iPhone X.
Own up to your BS.
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what you mean anniversary edition?
no going forward it will be what the x is now. with no Touch ID and have Face ID/OLED display.
the days of the 8 and 8 plus won't be updated
The Note 8 did not best Apple on dual cameras as iPhone 7 Plus had that prior.
Sorry for jumping in I just don’t like to see misinformation.
Yeah, it's terrible. His entire original post was misinformation used to hide the fact he didn't have a coherent argument.
So I don’t really count the users on MacRumors myself included as any type of Majority.
So to make it sound as if this is a widespread issue is not accurate. I see folks every day using the iPhone X with Face ID not having these issues.
If this was widespread than the Genius Bar would be filled with appointments regarding this.
Blogs would be covering it as would the media. I really wish we could stop acting like a tiny thread is the center of the Apple universe and that the feature must be a failure overall because of it.
Maybe, but Apple doesn’t seem to have any problem manufacturing multiple iPhone models simultaneously. Right now they’re currently producing the SE, 6S, 6S Plus, 7, 7 Plus, 8, 8 Plus and the X. Actually I think the 6 and 6 Plus are also still in production. If the parts are on hand, assembling them is trivial.
Why would there have to be a hard cutover, months early, of their highest priced, highest margin iPhone? That presumes Apple will build up a bunch of inventory to hold them over for a few months. But then they’d risk running out of product available for sale, or if they over estimated demand they’d have excess inventory. Apple’s average days in inventory is typically less than a week.
It just seems strange they’d suddenly change their standard practice and assemble/warehouse months of estimated demand. I think it’s a lot more likely that Apple would continue to assemble the 2017 X until a week or two before the replacement model is available, then let the channel run dry.
I also said that neither companies were the first with dual lens cameras... so you missed that one.
One of The first camera with dual lenses was the Samsung
Samsung SCH-B710 launched in 2007, so actually they were first, well several YEARS before Apple at least!
Here in this article are several others phones with the technology lllooonnnngggg before Apple did it:
http://www.engadget.com/2016/09/13/dual-camera-phones-gallery/#/
That’s what your post said verbatim. Anyway I am done with this. Okay these long drawn out arguments leave me out of if.
It’s a damn phone buy it don’t buy it. I don’t care anymore. Have a good day
you mean i proved you wrong by posting a Samsung phone with dual cameras from 2007....
If the parts are on hand, that’s the big if. OLED screen supply is not where it needs to be for Apple to use them on multiple phones this year. They’ll reserve it for the premium models 2018 X/X+ until more vendors can supply the screens and at more competitive pricing. Only then will you see OLED on a $700-$800 iPhone.
I won’t try to verify or dispute your claim that Apple keeps less than one week of inventory on hand, but you most certainly are not considering the units outside of the factory already in retail inventory at Verizon, Best Buy, Apple’s own retail locations, etc.