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So fragmentation is getting worse in iOS ecosystem with different years different display sizes? Will developers have a hard time targetting the right device? Or it would auto-scale and make some of the apps look bad on smaller or bigger device?
 
So do these models just get announced middle of 2018 and you can buy shortly after or will these new models go on sale at the end of the year like this year's X?
 
Looks like my 6S will be going on five years of ownership. What a $%&^-ing disaster. I might look into the smaller Pixel 2, to hell with bezel-less.
 
Thanks for this clarification. It helps to understand why the weird aspect ratio on iPhone X which doesn’t seem as weird.
My guess is that watching movies was only one of several considerations when deciding on the screen size and aspect ratio. The whole iPhone X is only 4% wider and 6% taller than the iPhone 6/7/8. Having an overall size about that of the iPhone 6/7/8 or maybe larger but only by a little was probably a main reason for the iPhone X dimensions. The screen size, given uniform bezels on all sides, was then just a simple consequence. Though testing whether the resulting screen size was a reasonably useable one certainly influenced the decision as well.
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I had a hard time being stuck with my Plus for 2-3 years. No more! For me it’s the little phones.
These are humongous. The smallest one is 1000.00; I can’t even imagine what the prices will be on the others!
According to this very rumour, the price for the 6.2" LCD iPhone will be in the order of $700.
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So do these models just get announced middle of 2018 and you can buy shortly after or will these new models go on sale at the end of the year like this year's X?
I'm pretty sure, they'll be introduced next September. Apple wouldn't want to cut short the life of the iPhone 8 and 8 Plus, with which this 6.2" LCD iPhone would very much compete given the rumoured price and the enhancements over those two models (chin- and forehead-less, FaceID given the lack of a home button).

Ditto introducing an iPhone X Plus in the first half of next year would mean that next September when the successor to the iPhone X rolls out, you'd either have a roughly half-year life for this X Plus (if there is an Xs Plus coming out together with an Xs) or different generations of innards for their two top phones.

The iPhone SE off-season launch was possible because it didn't replace or compete directly with the 6s and because it wasn't one a one-year cycle (that the flagship iPhones very likely will stick to for some time). What happens with the SE 'line' is the great uncertainty. Apple could release a maybe 5" iPhone X mini but that would mean abandoning the for Apple pretty low price point of the SE. Of course they could keep selling the SE for another year at the same price or even lower it again. They could also release a 5"-ish iPhone more along the lines of the iPhone 6/7/8 or similar to the rumoured 6.2" LCD iPhone.
 
I seriously doubt we need yet another sized iPhone. There's like 10 device sizes already. Becoming a bit Android-like in terms of fragmentation...
 
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Calling BS on the LCD. Not only have a year of supply chain rumors pointed to a full switch to OLED for the iPhone line, but the edge to edge display, the cutouts on the corners and the notch are all made possible by OLED. LCD would be very difficult if not impossible to use this way.
 
I used to upgrade every year, and did from the iPhone 4S to the iPhone 7 Plus I have now. I just can’t justify it anymore. The user experience is the same with smaller and smaller noticeable differences year to year. Sure the X is a new design with some new tech, but outside of FaceID, I don’t see how the X is hardly different in daily usability than the iPhone 7 Plus I have now. Speed is no issue, I have 3D Touch, dual camera, water proof, etc. I just don’t get excited anymore for the new iPhones. It’s not a knock on Apple but rather where the industry is now. They need to stop releasing new hardware year to year. Just not enough change happening anymore in a 12 month cycle. Focus on stabilizing software and bringing new features through software updates beyond what they do now.
 
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The X Plus will give you 5.5” 16:9 video just like the 8 Plus, in a physical size identical to the 8 Plus. I guess that’s the phone you’re wanting.

But a lot of people think the Plus form factor is just too big. Those users prefer an SE, 4.7” iPhone 8 or the slightly larger X.

Not sure how any of that supports your statement that “Apple has the UI/UX wrong this time.”
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The rumored X Plus will restore 6/7/8 Plus sized 5.5” 16:9 video in a physical package identical in size to the 8 Plus. But for people who think the Plus size is too big, there’s the current X or even smaller, the 8 or even SE. Something for everybody!
There's lots of little hacks in the UI that make the UX not very compelling compared with a completely squared off display.

The display width of the current iPhone X is the same as 6/6s/7/8.
https://www.paintcodeapp.com/news/ultimate-guide-to-iphone-resolutions

The X Plus will still be a beast of device, it will be taller and as well as much heavier. iPhone X really increased the weight this time around.
 
While so many rejoice, the iPhone future looks bleak for me. I lost interest in new iPhones when they got bigger with the 6. I tried one anyway for a few months. I found the experience horrible. The SE was a godsend. Not sure what I’m going to do after it eventually becomes old and unusable if it really is the last one-handed iPhone. I’m glad for the people excited for this, but personally it is a sad reminder that I’m no longer Apple’s target buyer.
 
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I hope they get away from it, but I doubt it.
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Understand, was just genuinely curious to what you think would be a better solution. Now what you have shown here does look quite nice to me. If the technology allowed for it, I could see Apple choosing to go with a solution like this. Unfortunately I am not sure we are there yet, it took them a few years to get a kinect into the size of the notch, I think it will take a little bit more time. Considering where we are with existing, feasible tech, that can be produced in the millions. I am not sure there is a better solution than the notch. Have you used the X for an extended period of time? I only ask because it can be jarring at first, but eventually just blends away and doesn't take away from the user experience. Could there be some UI improvements? Oh for sure, but I think Apple will smooth those out over time. Doesn't take away from an otherwise great experience right now though.
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If one day Apple can produce what you show, I'm all for it. I just don't see it happening for a few years.
Not for an extended period of time, a short period though. And the notch did seem to melt away and not be that much of an issue, but it still remained an issue overall because it intrudes at times. It's a compromise I don't want to live with. I truely feel completely squared off displays offer a more superior experience (followed by squared off with rounded corners). However saying that, the swipe up to go back home seemed to offset the annoyance of the notch.
Sure, improvements will be made over time.
 
Not for an extended period of time, a short period though. And the notch did seem to melt away and not be that much of an issue, but it still remained an issue overall because it intrudes at times. It's a compromise I don't want to live with. I truely feel completely squared off displays offer a more superior experience (followed by squared off with rounded corners). However saying that, the swipe up to go back home seemed to offset the annoyance of the notch.
Sure, improvements will be made over time.

I think once technology allows for it, you'll get what you're looking for. I think some people forget that we need to think of what is actually feasible to produce at hundreds and millions of devices. For now, we need a compromise.
 
I will be a little ticked off if Apple keeps the 5.8" models at 3 GB RAM and only gives 4 GB to the 6.5" models. Talk about favortism to the bigger brother..

That's why I like what Google has done with their Pixels. Both sizes get the same amount of RAM, camera, and have similar battery life. If Apple gimps the 5.8" next year, I'm going for the smaller Pixel 3.
 
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I usually comment in general terms instead of addressing specific niche markets. I concede there is a market for SE, but it simply isn’t large enough for major manufacturers to care about it.

Time spent using smartphones is increasing by 10-20% year over year. Since 2013, U.S. consumers have doubled the amount of time spent each day to 5 hours.

A 4” device no longer cuts it as a personal computer today. For the Indian continent where the SE is targeted, the smartphone will be their one and only computer. Xiaomi for instance sells a 5” device for less than $100.

Whether talking about phones, tablets or laptops, everyone finds their own balance of size vs. features and price. There are lots of SE users around here who came back down in size from the iPhone 6/7 form factor, because pocketability and single hand use is still important. I’d spend $1000 on an iPhone SE-sized X version tomorrow.
 
I get the 6.5" and 5.8", but why not make the LCD one smaller (maybe 5")? Make it more of a budget version, to replace the SE form factor. Guess that just makes too much sense.

Makes sense to me. Assuming present 5.5 inch plus modal without bezels with same foot print comes to approx 6.1 inches? Could explain reason to continue LCD modal as present demand for 8 plus strong so Apple can offer more attractive price point vs premium X Plus modal which price point we'd rather not think about. A bezel less 5 inch SE would be tempting for many I would think with smaller hands. There was a rumor about a 4.2 inch SE being assembled in India with pre X design for early 2018. If that modal came to market in a notch based design, it could end up 4.7-5" I guess, but a bit later down the road.

Just have to wait and see.
 
My guess, and it is just a guess but it’s fun:

SE II - $349 A10 CPU
iPad mini 5-$399 A11 with few other changes. Sell it for another 3 years. Yeah, I still believe in the mini lol.

You're not the first to come up with this notion of the SE II; yet you think they'll bless a new iPad Mini! The SE was launched with the same specs, camera, and CPU as the 6S, which was the flagship at the time. Neither of us can be sure there will even be an SE II, but if there is and it is a generation behind on the processor, I'll be getting Android. Seriously—I was in the market for a new phone soon after the SE came out and it made me jump (also I already had an iPad Pro), and I'll likely get a new phone this Spring. The Pixel 2 will have its "hidden" Google-designed-graphics-chip enabled by then, I'm sure, helping keep the camera at or near the top of the flagship list.

My last Android had water resistance, Qi, and a few other niceties that the 8/X finally just got. If they do what I suspect they do, and just stuff the exact same chips, now made cheaper through amortization, into a smaller body with a smaller/cheaper screen, I would hope the SE would be the same internals as the 8, if not the X. I'm not paying for iPhone 7 technology in 2018, and Android's "mid-range" is getting more competent and competitive every few months.
 
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Calling BS on the LCD. Not only have a year of supply chain rumors pointed to a full switch to OLED for the iPhone line, but the edge to edge display, the cutouts on the corners and the notch are all made possible by OLED. LCD would be very difficult if not impossible to use this way.

The idea is pretty simple.

Apple doesn’t want to be locked to one single component supplier for display technologies. Samsung has OLED production locked for the next 2-3 years due to exclusive contracts with OLED raw materials suppliers and equipment manufacturers. No other manufacturer can get in the market in the quantities Apple requires.

Just because Apple wants to switch to OLED doesn't mean they can make it happen. Apple has had a long productive relationship with JDI and they will continue to source from them.
 
I seriously doubt we need yet another sized iPhone. There's like 10 device sizes already. Becoming a bit Android-like in terms of fragmentation...
Fragmentation has more to do with everyone on different OS versions. Apple can still keep user experience consistent and the software updated with everyone on their own phones.

The issue with Android is that there are tons of manufactuers, all doing different hardware. Apple controls everything, whether you like all the form factors or not.

At its core, there are still only 2 Apple phones. The 3 versions of the iPhone 6 (6s, 7, 8), the SE which is just a small iPhone 6, and the X.
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Calling BS on the LCD. Not only have a year of supply chain rumors pointed to a full switch to OLED for the iPhone line, but the edge to edge display, the cutouts on the corners and the notch are all made possible by OLED. LCD would be very difficult if not impossible to use this way.
That's wrong. There is new LCD technology capable of 1 mm bezels.
 
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