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Your argument regarding 5s owners don’t not hold water.

I use a iPhone 5s and the speed deference in daily usage compared to the SE is not significant, and support of Apple Pay is irrelevant as many countries does not have it yet...
In Denmark we just got it a few weeks ago, but we have a banking sector which have been good at making mobile payment solutions, leaving Apple Pay without much influence. Had they released Apple Pay a year after its US introduction they would have a good market share as iPhone are the most used phone in Denmark.

And as you have properly read on the forum, there is a substantial amount of users which have upgrade to the size of the 6 & 6+ design who would like to go down to a smaller phone but do not want to give up functions.
We can’t have it all...

So if they made an iPhone SE whith A11, 3D Touch (still not in the SE), water resistance, better camera, and so on... along with the marketing the new models receive, we would see a difference in how the markets share holds up.

It is not like you would ever compare Fords Model T with a modern car;)

The argument is, natural attrition of iPhone 5s users would have moved them to SE - if those users truly preferred 4”.

iPhone 5s was launched in September 2013. Millions of those owners would have experienced cracked displays, aged batteries, waterlogged phones, slow performance, etc. by now. iPhone SE was launched more than 18 months ago. We should have seen a huge userbase that matches if not exceeds iPhone 5s. iPhone SE should be selling itself. Apple Pay is just a carrot to encourage SE sales.

Today, the data shows iPhone 5s users outnumbering SE. Perhaps iPhone 5s owners are very reluctant to upgrade, price-sensitive, have already moved on to a larger iPhone. Whatever the reason, it’s not a good indicator for iPhone SE.
 
Wasn't OLED needed to curve the display under?
Yes. That's how Apple got rid of the chin.
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Fragmentation has more to do with everyone on different OS versions. Apple can still keep user experience consistent and the software updated with everyone on their own phones.

The issue with Android is that there are tons of manufactuers, all doing different hardware. Apple controls everything, whether you like all the form factors or not.

At its core, there are still only 2 Apple phones. The 3 versions of the iPhone 6 (6s, 7, 8), the SE which is just a small iPhone 6, and the X.
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That's wrong. There is new LCD technology capable of 1 mm bezels.


Sorry, but it's not wrong. I'm not talking bezels - I'm talking about non-square screens (rounded corners/notch) as well as the full edge to edge screen, which Apple accomplished in the X by folding over the OLED on itself at the bottom of the screen to account for the display controller.
 

It definitely doesn’t look bad, I’ll give you that, but don’t you at least respect something a little radical or different from the norm? It’s the biggest product redesign in their history by the stakes of it, so I get playing it safe, but for me I’m happy they went for something different. I think the screen going to all four rounder corners is the way to go. As close to full screen as possible right now (given the technology) is the best option.
 
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Yes. That's how Apple got rid of the chin.
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Sorry, but it's not wrong. I'm not talking bezels - I'm talking about non-square screens (rounded corners/notch) as well as the full edge to edge screen, which Apple accomplished in the X by folding over the OLED on itself at the bottom of the screen to account for the display controller.

JDI showed off foldable LCDs in January.

Non-square LCDs are not a problem. Audi has full-LCD gauge clusters are non-square. And have a notch.

I'm not sure why people keep inventing roadblocks for LCD when the manufacturers have already shown solutions.
 
Fact is that Apple would have sold more iPhone X’s if it had been without notch. Noone bought it because it has a notch, but a lot did NOT buy it because it has a notch.

I have been using iPhone for 8 years and just bought a Huawei 6” with smaller physical size than the 8+ on a one year contract, hoping Apple will bring a phone without notch (and which doesnt look super dated like the currently plus).

I would love a size like iPhone 8+ but with no notch and with a 6” screen.
 
Fact is that Apple would have sold more iPhone X’s if it had been without notch. Noone bought it because it has a notch, but a lot did NOT buy it because it has a notch.

I have been using iPhone for 8 years and just bought a Huawei 6” with smaller physical size than the 8+ on a one year contract, hoping Apple will bring a phone without notch (and which doesnt look super dated like the currently plus).

I would love a size like iPhone 8+ but with no notch and with a 6” screen.
Or, the fact is Apple would have sold fewer X if it had a big top bezel instead of the notch. Some bought it because of the notch, it’s new and different and fresh. But a few didn’t buy it because it has the notch.

Don’t make the mistake of generalizing your personal feelings about the notch to the population at large! All indications are that sales are off the charts—for a phone that starts at $999. Apparently, few people are using the notch as a reason not to buy.

And despite your opinion to the contrary, it is definitely drawing in some people who actually like that it’s different, fresh, new, unusual or unique.
 
Or, the fact is Apple would have sold fewer X if it had a big top bezel instead of the notch. Some bought it because of the notch, it’s new and different and fresh. But a few didn’t buy it because it has the notch.

Don’t make the mistake of generalizing your personal feelings about the notch to the population at large! All indications are that sales are off the charts—for a phone that starts at $999. Apparently, few people are using the notch as a reason not to buy.

And despite your opinion to the contrary, it is definitely drawing in some people who actually like that it’s different, fresh, new, unusual or unique.

It doesnt need to have Big bezels, could have small ones like V30 instead. Its not my personal opinion as its mentioned all over in the media. Iphone 8+ sells like crazy even with HUGE bezels, hence bezels are not an issue. Its a bad design choice, thats all. No notch would have given Apple more customers.

Lets not kid ourselves. If X had ultra thin bezels noone would have Said “oh, would have been awesome if there was like a black square on the screen which ate my content”.

BTW price in Denmark today is 1317 dollars for the 64gb and 1622 dollars for the 256 GB one. With no applecare. But including shipping ;) Price doesnt scare me tho but the notch does.
 
Still a mess, and a smaller model would be much appreciated in the lineup. Should be 5.2”, 5.8”, and 6.4”.
I myself like the 4.7 size. It fits in my pocket well and I don’t need a large phone. I have an IPad if I want to watch YouTube. TV or movies. Apple does not understand the phrase “less is more”.
 
I hate how many different models Apple are creating, I miss when they had just one type.

For the normal iPhone user it must be so confusing lol
Really? You think 3 models are that many? You don't like to have a choice?
It's like wishing there was a single car model on the market so it wouldn't be so confusing for people to choose one.
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Wow 6.5” that’s huge!!:oops:
No, it's not huge. Given the almost bezel-less design it will be about the size of the current Plus models.
 
Really? You think 3 models are that many? You don't like to have a choice?
It's like wishing there was a single car model on the market so it wouldn't be so confusing for people to choose one.
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No, it's not huge. Given the almost bezel-less design it will be about the size of the current Plus models.

Good to know coming from a 7+
 
This is the iPhone I’m waiting for. (the one on the left obviously)
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I absolutely love my iPhone X. I didn’t really love paying $1,000 cash for it, but I’ll pay however much the iPhone X Plus costs! The X is simply amazing and I can’t wait to have the Plus
 
this is why i won't be buying anymore cases...pointless when i will get the bigger size next year
 
Yup, the 6.5 inch iPhone X is the real successor to the Plus models (I love the 7 Plus, best phone I’ve ever owned), can’t wait.
 
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I have it on good authority that Apple will announce Gil Amelios return to oversee the dizzying mess of a product line up at the next iPhone event.
 
Big hands. Plus was the first iphone I didnt have to curl my hand/fingers into weird angles to type comfortably. When I recently held an X i flashed back to those horrible times and instantly realized i couldnt go back to something that didnt fit ME well. Totally get if you have small man hands you want something a bit more petit, I would love a bigger Plus if possible!



Then dont get sucked. I'm still using a 6+ and its fine (just avoid iOS 11 upgrade). Problem solved. Most non nerds hold onto their phones at least 2 or more years now (I have several associates on 5, 5s, and 6 Pluses).


Totally agree. Running a 6S Plus but I made the mistake of updating the iOS and now it is hell. Switching to T-Mobile from AT&T is going to help with the $300 credit for a new iphone x.
 
Fact is that Apple would have sold more iPhone X’s if it had been without notch. Noone bought it because it has a notch, but a lot did NOT buy it because it has a notch.

I have been using iPhone for 8 years and just bought a Huawei 6” with smaller physical size than the 8+ on a one year contract, hoping Apple will bring a phone without notch (and which doesnt look super dated like the currently plus).

I would love a size like iPhone 8+ but with no notch and with a 6” screen.
Complete rubbish

The x has clearly been a huge hit. Given the price it clearly hasn’t mattered

The notch does not matter at all when it comes to sales..
 
Complete rubbish

The x has clearly been a huge hit. Given the price it clearly hasn’t mattered

The notch does not matter at all when it comes to sales..

Dont be naive.

Unless you Can find a bunch of people who went from a competitor to X, only due to the notch, Then my point is valid. If you have another pov, that is fine, but you are still wrong in your assumption. Sales are likely fine, but would have been even better without the sore thumb.
 
can they stop with making these things bigger and bigger ffs?
iPhone X is already huge so if they want LCD version then make it either the same size or smaller. Some people just don't need or want elephant phones.


there's nothing much more they can do. the iphone x already has
oled screen, edge to edge screen. the reality is the smartphone has
reach maturity. the only other thing apple can do is to do a bendable
phone. rumor is samsung releasing a bendable phone in south korea
only next year as a test.
 
there's nothing much more they can do. the iphone x already has
oled screen, edge to edge screen. the reality is the smartphone has
reach maturity. the only other thing apple can do is to do a bendable
phone. rumor is samsung releasing a bendable phone in south korea
only next year as a test.
Sure, I know there isn't much to do than just gradually improve it a little bit but don't make them bigger and bigger all the time or at least keep smaller versions too. I don't need a bloody iPad next to my ear. :)
 
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