KGI: Samsung to Cancel Under-Display Fingerprint Sensor Plans for This Year's Galaxy Note 9

[deanthedev]

Samsung is being smart. They probably know that, although the concept is cool, the actual implementation of it is inferior to current fingerprint sensors.

 

[mytdave]

Seems to me that Apple discovered early on that under-display sensors would be too problematic and therefore developed the superior FaceID alternative.

Samsung persisting in trying to develop this fingerprint tech might not be a total waste of time however. One day it may lead to being able to put FaceID sensor arrays under the screen, paving the way to full frontal displays.

 

[ipedro]

While Face ID is impressive, I find the Apple Pay workflow awkward compared to Touch ID. It’s going to be even worse on a Plus sized device.

I found that for the first week but now the opposite is true. I just double click the side button like I’ve always done on my AppleWatch for ApplePay, look at the screen for a split second to see if it’s ready and it verifies. Then I hold my phone naturally and tap it. Works every time.

The old way now feels awkward. You’d have to hold the phone in a way you’d not normally hold it, pinching the bottom or contorting your hand so your thumb is on the Home button.

I much prefer Face ID for ApplePay now, specially for the drive-thru where i’d like to have a good grip on my phone when stretching my arm outside the car.

 

[cocky jeremy]

But not nearly as simple as just touching phone to terminal with your finger already on TouchID. Much more streamlined process.

I like a lot about FaceID vs TouchID but this is one area where it falls short of its predecessor.
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It’s never that simple. You have to pre-engage Apple Pay by double clicking the side button, bring the phone in front of your face, then return it to the terminal. With TouchID, just bring the phone to the terminal with thumb in place. Done.

Using FaceID isn’t cumbersome per se but certainly not as simple as paying with TouchID.

I've never had to remove the phone from the terminal. Tap, quick glance.. done.

 

[deanthedev]

While Face ID is impressive, I find the Apple Pay workflow awkward compared to Touch ID. It’s going to be even worse on a Plus sized device.

I make 95+% of my purchases on Apple Pay. I’ve found many terminals require an extra tap (or retry) to work. My Apple Watch, however, works every time.

So I changed how I use my iPhone by double-clicking and authorizing my fingerprint first, then just holding my iPhone to the terminal. Now it works every time as well.

I’m convinced there’s some sort of delay or timing issue when you hold your iPhone to a terminal with your finger on the Home button and wait for your iPhone to start the payment process automatically. This is what causes it to fail and require you to tap again or hold your iPhone longer until it completes.

So now that I “pre-authorize” before tapping it makes no difference if I use TouchID or FaceID as they are equal in terms of time.

Though it’s moot for me as I usually just use my Watch instead (unless I’m actualluly using my iPhone when I come to the till).

 

[apolloa]

Hmmm so basically it’s tech they can’t get to work properly, hmm so finger print readers on the front mean bezels and smaller screens possibly.

 

[Delgibbons]

I don't see why Samsung don't do what Sony did; put the damn fingerprint reader on the power button. Seems logical.

https://www.androidcentral.com/setting-and-using-fingerprint-scanner-sony-xperia-z5

 

[vmistery]

While Face ID is impressive, I find the Apple Pay workflow awkward compared to Touch ID. It’s going to be even worse on a Plus sized device.

FaceID is still a new product and has some refining to do, once the 2nd gen sensors come out and it works from more angles and distances it will be better than touchID I expect as it doesnt have to worry about sweaty / cut fingers.

How so?
On my approach to the till, double click the side button, glance at the phone, Apple Pay authenticates, scan my purchase and present authenticated phone. Easy

It is easy but the authentication time seems slower to me. Often takes a couple of goes before it recognises me especially if my glasses are all steamed up. Both these annoyances will be cleaned up in a gen 2 product though and on balance I still prefer FaceID as I can keep my gloves on.

 

[aidler]

A fingerprint scanner on the back is by far better then no fingerprint scanner at all.

 

[DaveOP]

But not nearly as simple as just touching phone to terminal with your finger already on TouchID. Much more streamlined process.

I like a lot about FaceID vs TouchID but this is one area where it falls short of its predecessor.
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It’s never that simple. You have to pre-engage Apple Pay by double clicking the side button, bring the phone in front of your face, then return it to the terminal. With TouchID, just bring the phone to the terminal with thumb in place. Done.

Using FaceID isn’t cumbersome per se but certainly not as simple as paying with TouchID.

Do you own an iPhone X? I agree, it SOUNDED complicated, but it's easier in practice. You can double click and authenticate long before the terminal is ready, and then just tap it near when you're ready to pay. No "holding the phone up near your face" either, as FaceID is far more accurate than that.

 

[tbayrgs]

I don't see why Samsung don't do what Sony did; put the damn fingerprint reader on the power button. Seems logical.

https://www.androidcentral.com/setting-and-using-fingerprint-scanner-sony-xperia-z5

Except Sony has ditched this solution as well on their latest models, opting for a rear mounted placement.

 

[spazzcat]

I make 95+% of my purchases on Apple Pay. I’ve found many terminals require an extra tap (or retry) to work. My Apple Watch, however, works every time.

So I changed how I use my iPhone by double-clicking and authorizing my fingerprint first, then just holding my iPhone to the terminal. Now it works every time as well.

I’m convinced there’s some sort of delay or timing issue when you hold your iPhone to a terminal with your finger on the Home button and wait for your iPhone to start the payment process automatically. This is what causes it to fail and require you to tap again or hold your iPhone longer until it completes.

So now that I “pre-authorize” before tapping it makes no difference if I use TouchID or FaceID as they are equal in terms of time.

Though it’s moot for me as I usually just use my Watch instead (unless I’m actualluly using my iPhone when I come to the till).

Look at phone double tap, then hold it to the terminal.

 

[deanthedev]

A fingerprint scanner on the back is by far better then no fingerprint scanner at all.

No it’s not. It’s hit & miss based on one simple reality: people all have different sized hands and fingers. What might work great for some people doesn’t for others. Fingerprint sensors require a specific physical movement in order to work. People always talk about it being natural because of “muscle memory”, but that’s not true for everyone.

On screen would be even worse since there’s no physical “indent” to help you locate where the sensor is by feel. So much for unlocking your phone while taking it out of your pocket.

FaceID eliminates the issue of trying to match your finger to a specific target location on your device. I’m surprised by how well it works on my iPhone X, and this is version 1.0.

 

[Baymowe335]

What a shock...more of Apple leading the way and Samsung playing catch up.

I tried telling everyone facial recognition is the future when Apple decided it would be.

 

[bruinsrme]

How so?
On my approach to the till, double click the side button, glance at the phone, Apple Pay authenticates, scan my purchase and present authenticated phone. Easy

To be fair you have to look at your phone.

When I had the Touch ID phones I never looked at the phone to ensure the correct payment method was selected or the check mark appeared.

 

[Exxhara]

As I type this on my iPhone X, I am frustrated and sick of FaceID. It sucks... about 1/4 of the people I ask love FaceID, 1/4 have deactivated it because they cannot set it to stay off for 15 minutes, and 1/2 just plain hate it. Those aren’t Apple-like numbers!

FaceID is not the end all solution. Apple would serve those of us who aren’t compelled and happy with FaceID by having TouchID on demand anywhere on the screen. TouchID is far more natural and just works without having the iPhone at a stupid angle.

I have a Samsung Galaxy S8, and preordered the S9+ yesterday just because the fingerprint sensor was moved - it was seriously bad right next to camera on S8 which meant I had to clean the camera lens before every photo. I intend to for once and all move to Samsung for phone needs. I guess my Apple Watch will get sold, as I never found it helpful/useful anyways.

I would love to move back to Apple, but I am okay with just being a Mac guy. I will miss notes not syncing and all the other great features, but at the end of the day I lose so much time with making sure the phone and my head are tilted just so. If Apple brings back TouchID and a dual SIM, I am on it!

Sorry to hear that but are you sure you were using FaceID correctly? I swear I don't have to tilt my face any kind of way to get it work..actually it worked on awkward angles, in the dark at night, i just picked it up and swipe up and done. Unless you had a weird glitch or problem with your FaceID you didn't need to do all that. It's setup to not stay awake for 15 min because its a security issue. If you leave the phone on your desk, authenticated, and it stays awake for 15min anyone can use it. That's why as long as you're using it its awake and when you're not, its locked, also to save you battery. I'm not an apple fan or anything but I gotta say FaceID was more intuitive than TouchID for me. But anyway, just wanted to let you know about it because most of the people that have used it including my bf who got iphonex after switching from galaxy also felt the same. I would get your iphone checked out if you can. Otherwise, goodluck with your galaxy.

 

[NT1440]

this was the one chance for Samsung to finally one-up iPhone on something. they blew it.

While I think the technology is neat, I’m not sure how you can one-up someone in baseball when the other has decided they’re going to be playing basketball going forward...

 

[aidler]

I'm not arguing against FaceID. I'm arguing for choice.

No it’s not. It’s hit & miss based on one simple reality: people all have different sized hands and fingers. What might work great for some people doesn’t for others. Fingerprint sensors require a specific physical movement in order to work. People always talk about it being natural because of “muscle memory”, but that’s not true for everyone.

On screen would be even worse since there’s no physical “indent” to help you locate where the sensor is by feel. So much for unlocking your phone while taking it out of your pocket.

FaceID eliminates the issue of trying to match your finger to a specific target location on your device. I’m surprised by how well it works on my iPhone X, and this is version 1.0.

 

[MrX8503]

I found that for the first week but now the opposite is true. I just double click the side button like I’ve always done on my AppleWatch for ApplePay, look at the screen for a split second to see if it’s ready and it verifies. Then I hold my phone naturally and tap it. Works every time.

The old way now feels awkward. You’d have to hold the phone in a way you’d not normally hold it, pinching the bottom or contorting your hand so your thumb is on the Home button.

I much prefer Face ID for ApplePay now, specially for the drive-thru where i’d like to have a good grip on my phone when stretching my arm outside the car.

Here’s my beef with the steps you’ve provided. You’re assuming the terminal accepts Apple Pay. If it doesn’t, you just pissed off people behind you. Why does this matter? It matters a lot in getting people to adopt the payment method.

I prefer the terminal to wake my phone first and then I authenticate. I’ve found TouchID to be better for this because I can rest my thumb on the scanner and put my iPhone near the terminal. My iPhone will auto wake, Auto Unlock, and then authenticate.

FYI, I prefer Face ID for everything else, but I haven’t found Apple Pay being as seamless as Touch ID.

 

[Rafterman]

this was the one chance for Samsung to finally one-up iPhone on something. they blew it.

Finally? Samsung phones had thing like big screens, wireless charging and waterproofing long before Apple.
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What a shock...more of Apple leading the way and Samsung playing catch up.

I tried telling everyone facial recognition is the future when Apple decided it would be.

Actually, Samsung had facial recognition before Apple, though it is not as advanced as Apple's implementation is.

 

[Baymowe335]

Finally? Samsung phones had thing like big screens, wireless charging and waterproofing long before Apple.
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Actually, Samsung had facial recognition before Apple, though it is not as advanced as Apple's implementation is.

Samsung has a lot of features that don't work. I never said Apple was first, but they are way ahead in 3D mapping and facial recognition.

 

[kyjaotkb]

How so?
On my approach to the till, double click the side button, glance at the phone, Apple Pay authenticates, scan my purchase and present authenticated phone. Easy

Older iPhones: hold it like I would normally, thumb on home button, bring close to payment terminal, boom, back in pocket. It was admittedly a tad simpler. No clicking, no glancing.
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Well, believe what you want, I'm fairly certain I've used/processed Apple Pay on iPhones of all varieties, including the X over the past year a far greater number of times than you. And yes, you have to have the display pointing toward your face within a reasonable distance (never said it had to be up close) else it won't authenticate. On an iPhone using TouchID, I can pay with the display face down, at arms length off to my side (say, as I'm walking past a terminal). I see lots of people bungling their Apple Pay transactions on a daily basis, far more often with the X than older phones.

I never said it doesn't work...only that it wasn't as streamlined or simple as paying with TouchID.

And also to be clear, I'm a fan of FaceID and overall have come to prefer it over TouchID. I just think this is the one bit of functionality where it falls a bit short of its predecessor. Certainly not a huge deal. My one wish right now is for an option to be able to choose to bypass the lock screen after FaceID authenticates--wish I didn't have to always swipe away that screen.

FaceID has made using your iPhone as your ticket on the London Underground borderline impossible on a crowded station at peak time.

 

[Rafterman]

Samsung has a lot of features that don't work. I never said Apple was first, but they are way ahead in 3D mapping and facial recognition.

It works fine, but its not 3D mapped, so it doesn't work in the dark, things like that. But it does work.

I have been an iPhone user since 2009, and I have an X now. But this instinctive behavior to credit Apple with inventing the wheel is ridiculous. Most people don't even realize Palm and Microsoft invented the modern smartphone first, not Apple.

 

[480951]

But not nearly as simple as just touching phone to terminal with your finger already on TouchID. Much more streamlined process.

Just to clarify, you mean when the phone screen is off right? Once you authenticate with Touch ID you don’t need to continue resting your finger while it taps the terminal.

 

[Baymowe335]

It works fine, but its not 3D mapped, so it doesn't work in the dark, things like that. But it does work.

I have been an iPhone user since 2009, and I have an X now. But this instinctive behavior to credit Apple with inventing the wheel is ridiculous. Most people don't even realize Palm and Microsoft invented the modern smartphone first, not Apple.

It's crap technology that can be fooled with a photo. Not working in the dark is a failure. It's garbage like so many other Samsung "innovations."

Again, FIRST does not matter. Just ask Microsoft and Palm. Apple got rid of the home button for a superior form factor and experience. I LOVE not having a home button. Swipe up is so much more natural. I love the new design. I love FaceID. Many others agree and will agree once the technology starts taking hold. It will only get better.