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I love translucent display pictures; they always look like they could double as the thumbnail for an introductory Photoshop tutorial.

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Nice one I agree, my whole life is a lie, everything is photoshopped - even our personalities. I am not a robot.
 
that doesn't make sense.
Sure it does. Both companies were playing baseball (fingerprint readers).

Samsung is working on their base running, while Apple has clearly decided to stop playing baseball and opt to play Basketball (facial recognition) instead.

I didn’t think it was that complicated.
 
I don't like any of these ideas for "password protection", nothing beats paranoia like not being paranoid, period. When is the hysteria going to end? Wait, it wont end haha. We are silly in demanding Larger and larger phones with thinner and thinner bezels but expecting more and more security features and battery life. We're mad, haven't you thought about that yet? This is all madness hahahaha ! They're not improving camera technology - they're thinking inside the rectangular box. They need to think of interesting ways to have cameras inside these boxes. But the cameras have to dramatically evolve and shape shift some more. I don't need any idiotic sensors this and scanners that. I just want a gorgeous thin, bezeless phone that's got a display of 6.5inches but a little wider, rather than narrower because it just looks all wrong for media enjoyment :D I don't care for the extra paranoia in the box. My phone never leaves my person. If it does and I lost it, well I have another one to use and log out all my apps and reset the "lost phone remotely" in any number of ways. That is security, when I need it, not there all the time just taking up time and surface area. Etc. I love you all.
 
FaceID has made using your iPhone as your ticket on the London Underground borderline impossible on a crowded station at peak time.

Rubbish!

I use mine daily on the London Underground with zero issue.
You can authenticate your phone on the approach to the gates, usually there’s a queue so plenty of time to pull out your phone, activate and authenticate Apple Pay and you have 1 minute before it times out.

What is ‘borderline impossible’ about that?
 
Just another hole in the case next to the hole for the camera.
Stupid. Just another place for dirt to get in. And depending on the case thickness it would be tough to get ones finger in the hole well enough to read the print. Necessitating a precise finger movement every time would be the worst strategy. Just move on to FaceID already! Join the rest of us. The water is fine.
 
Stupid. Just another place for dirt to get in. And depending on the case thickness it would be tough to get ones finger in the hole well enough to read the print. Necessitating a precise finger movement every time would be the worst strategy. Just move on to FaceID already! Join the rest of us. The water is fine.

If a little finger hole on the back for FPS is stupid and just another place for dirt to get in then how do you feel about the big gaping hole on the front? Do you want a case that covers both sides? How about taking the phone out of the case every so often and wiping them down?
 
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Stupid. Just another place for dirt to get in. And depending on the case thickness it would be tough to get ones finger in the hole well enough to read the print. Necessitating a precise finger movement every time would be the worst strategy. Just move on to FaceID already! Join the rest of us. The water is fine.
While I think FaceID is the future, I think you’re vastly overblowing the case “issue”. There have been scanners in the back of Android phones for years with that exact layout and it hasn’t been a problem....
 
I can’t wait for Face ID on the iPad along with the new gestures, I am so used to Face ID on the X that it I keep looking at my iPad waiting on it unlocking before remembering to press the home button. That and password entry etc, all much simpler with Face ID.
 
Sure it does. Both companies were playing baseball (fingerprint readers).

Samsung is working on their base running, while Apple has clearly decided to stop playing baseball and opt to play Basketball (facial recognition) instead.

I didn’t think it was that complicated.


but they're both working on features in a phone. the phone would be the game in this case (at least, that's how a typical reader would interpret it) and the features = how you control/play the game.
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Among people who have already used Face ID, or among the many who have yet to use it?

among how many who have used it already. I've had Face ID fail many more times than Touch ID1.

If FaceID was compared against a TouchID2-equivalent under the screen reader, TouchID2 will win in terms of unlocking the phone in terms of speed and accuracy.

Also TouchID is preferred over FaceID when using Apple Pay (ask anyone on here, they'll tell you the same).

Now you can talk about Animoji and Facial recognition features, that's fine. If Animoji is important to you then I can see why you'd prefer FaceID, but personally all of my friends and myself stopped using Animoji.

I'm not saying Apple should ditch FaceID and return back to Touch ID, I'm saying that this would have been the bestopportunity for Samsung to introduce a fingerprint reader under the screen since FaceID currently isn't perfect. Otherwise, the next version of FaceID is going to "cement" facial recognition as the standard that every phone should have for unlocking.
 
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Here’s my beef with the steps you’ve provided. You’re assuming the terminal accepts Apple Pay. If it doesn’t, you just pissed off people behind you. Why does this matter? It matters a lot in getting people to adopt the payment method.

I prefer the terminal to wake my phone first and then I authenticate. I’ve found TouchID to be better for this because I can rest my thumb on the scanner and put my iPhone near the terminal. My iPhone will auto wake, Auto Unlock, and then authenticate.

FYI, I prefer Face ID for everything else, but I haven’t found Apple Pay being as seamless as Touch ID.

I’m in Toronto. Virtually all terminals accept ApplePay. Tap payments are ubiquitous here. The odds of not accepting ApplePay are actually less than them not accepting debit or credit.

Any retailer who’s had their terminal updated in the last 2-3 years works with ApplePay. If they’re serviced by Moneris or Global Payments (the top merchant providers), they get regular hardware updates. Small retailers who typically rely on Square, PayPal or Payd also accept ApplePay.

In any other cases, it’s immediately obvious because a) the terminal looks ancient and/or b) the terminal says “insert card” rather than “insert or tap card”.

All that to say that I know with confidence that ApplePay will work even before I pull out my phone. Double click the side button, tap and off I go. Works every time.
 
I'm glad Apple went all in with Face ID. Even though it's maybe 0.5 sec slower than Touch ID, it is much more reliable, I rarely get failures like I did with Touch ID.
 
Ah, choice. Additional components, additional complexity, additional cost. Once committed to this double-feature, how does a company abandon choice without stirring a hornets nest of dissent? What criteria will Apple use to determine when "consumer choice" becomes "the consumer has spoken?" Like Abraham bargaining for the survival of Sodom and Gomorrah, would 30% usage be enough to continue offering a particular choice? 20%? 10%?

In this particular context, "choice" is just another way of saying, "I don't want to change. Change is OK for the other guy, but not me."

Yeah, Touch ID has been a very successful feature. It may seem counter-intuitive to abandon a successful feature for a new one, but that's generally the way things go.

I once owned a house that was built to support both gas lighting and electric. Effectively a matter of, "We don't know if this new-fangled electric stuff is going to work out." There was gas piping running under floorboards, above ceilings, and inside walls, all to support a "choice" that was never used. In the end, all it did was complicate renovations. Even more ironic, the house originally had a coal furnace/water heater, and coal kitchen stove. Those were replaced by gas. Alas, no wood-burning fireplace, and the oil industry never got a foothold.

So what you are saying, with a lot of words.... with too much words, is that being for choice is being against change. Hmm I'm not impressed.
 
I’m in Toronto. Virtually all terminals accept ApplePay. Tap payments are ubiquitous here. The odds of not accepting ApplePay are actually less than them not accepting debit or credit.

Any retailer who’s had their terminal updated in the last 2-3 years works with ApplePay. If they’re serviced by Moneris or Global Payments (the top merchant providers), they get regular hardware updates. Small retailers who typically rely on Square, PayPal or Payd also accept ApplePay.

In any other cases, it’s immediately obvious because a) the terminal looks ancient and/or b) the terminal says “insert card” rather than “insert or tap card”.

All that to say that I know with confidence that ApplePay will work even before I pull out my phone. Double click the side button, tap and off I go. Works every time.

Good for you and Canada. It’s not like that here in the US.
 
Yeah it did. You have forgotten how long ago 2007 was for this tech. It was incredible.

I had the original iphone. The UI I agree was fantastic. Very smooth back then, seems far smoother than ios11 on my iPad now but maybe I have rose tinted glasses on.

Coming from a nokia n95 though I found it a bit restricting not being able to install apps and being only 2g (there was no app store on that first iPhone originally)...that nokia was a brilliant phone. The UK at that time was way ahead of the US in terms of 3g networks, video calling, sports video highlights etc.

Then Nokia dropped the ball completely by not putting a graphics accelerator chip in the n96 and skimping on ram and the rest is history.....

The iPhone was a sexy phone back then though I'll admit it :D
 
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Apple is indeed leading the way here, with a 2 years advantage over competitors.

Incredible how far-sighted they are. Steve Jobs’ legacy lives on.


Apple finally has a 2 year advantage after a 2 year gap though. The 6-6S-7 was very much rinse and repeat.
 
I had the original iphone. The UI I agree was fantastic. Very smooth back then, seems far smoother than ios11 on my iPad now but maybe I have rose tinted glasses on.

Coming from a nokia n95 though I found it a bit restricting not being able to install apps and being only 2g (there was no app store on that first iPhone originally)...that nokia was a brilliant phone. The UK at that time was way ahead of the US in terms of 3g networks, video calling, sports video highlights etc.

Then Nokia dropped the ball completely by not putting a graphics accelerator chip in the n96 and skimping on ram and the rest is history.....

The iPhone was a sexy phone back then though I'll admit it :D
The n95 was a cool phone but it still had plastic buttons. The iPhone was today’s phone in 2007. Amazing.
 
Looks like Apple has found a lead in this one, if they can pull it off.

With all the "edge-to-edge" phone out now as the "new tech", something is gonna happen, make some do something...

This is where the fans hit the floor
 
While Face ID is impressive, I find the Apple Pay workflow awkward compared to Touch ID. It’s going to be even worse on a Plus sized device.

Apple engineers that worked on Face ID have been validated and vindicated!

this was the one chance for Samsung to finally one-up iPhone on something. they blew it.

Maybe so. However for 2yrs the led Apple on facial recognition regardless of how faulty it was. They can still really push Apple on beating Face ID with a facial recognition that can even determine between identical twins say more than 5mins apart? Better recognition between core family siblings?!
 
be interesting how face ID is for gen 2. Speed wise improvements i think will be noticeable.
 
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