KGI: Samsung to Cancel Under-Display Fingerprint Sensor Plans for This Year's Galaxy Note 9

[Rafterman]

It's crap technology that can be fooled with a photo. Not working in the dark is a failure. It's garbage like so many other Samsung "innovations."

Again, FIRST does not matter. Just ask Microsoft and Palm. Apple got rid of the home button for a superior form factor and experience. I LOVE not having a home button. Swipe up is so much more natural. I love the new design. I love FaceID. Many others agree and will agree once the technology starts taking hold. It will only get better.

There would not have been an iPhone without the success of the Palm and PocketPC. First DOES matter sometimes. By the way, FaceID can be fooled too, though its a little harder. Does that make it "garbage" because it doesn't work perfectly every time?

But Apple sure did copy their own share of things, like offering big and different size phones, wireless charging, waterproofing and facial ID. I mean, Apple refined some of these features, good for them. But don't forget, Samsung makes a lot of Apple's parts. That's no small contribution.

So I really don't know why Apple fanboys hate Samsung so much. I like when companies copy each other, That means we get better products that are non-exclusive to one kind of phone.

 

[Arran]

Samsung is unlikely to introduce an under-display fingerprint recognition feature in its 2018 flagship smartphone line-up, according to KGI Securities research analyst Ming-Chi Kuo. Kuo had earlier predicted that the South Korean firm was planning to debut an under-screen fingerprint sensor in its Galaxy Note 9, due for release in the third quarter of this year, but Kuo now believes Samsung will cancel the feature because of technical issues.

Wow. Independent, 3rd party analyst with no connection to manufacturer makes up an unverifiable story, sits on it and then ..... retracts it.

Does that line of work pay well?

 

[tbayrgs]

Just to clarify, you mean when the phone screen is off right? Once you authenticate with Touch ID you don’t need to continue resting your finger while it taps the terminal.

You still need to authenticate using TouchID or passcode when the Apple Pay splash screen appears after placing your phone in proximity of the terminal. The simplicity of making the payment with TouchID is having my finger on the sensor would first unlock the phone after it woke from motion, then authenticate my identiy for the payment when Apple Pay popped up.

 

[Baymowe335]

There would not have been an iPhone without the success of the Palm and PocketPC. First DOES matter sometimes. By the way, FaceID can be fooled too, though its a little harder. Does that make it "garbage" because it doesn't work perfectly every time?

But Apple sure did copy their own share of things, like offering big and different size phones, wireless charging, waterproofing and facial ID. I mean, Apple refined some of these features, good for them. But don't forget, Samsung makes a lot of Apple's parts. That's no small contribution.

So I really don't know why Apple fanboys hate Samsung so much. I like when companies copy each other, That means we get better products that are non-exclusive to one kind of phone.

Speculative. Everything builds. Apple got it right, the end. Someone may destroy Apple someday, but it's going to be a lot harder because the iPhone is the greatest, most successful consumer product of all time.

Apple "copied" touch screen tech too, if you want to get technical. In the end, no one cares. You have to get it right. Now Samsung copying Animojis is a little more blatant because it's like copying an idea, rather than a hardware tech function.

 

[Rafterman]

Speculative. Everything builds. Apple got it right, the end. Someone may destroy Apple someday, but it's going to be a lot harder because the iPhone is the greatest, most successful consumer product of all time.

Apple "copied" touch screen tech too, if you want to get technical. In the end, no one cares. You have to get it right. Now Samsung copying Animojis is a little more blatant because it's like copying an idea, rather than a hardware tech function.

Actually, the TV is the great, most successful (and most influential) consumer product of all time. My point was, Apple wouldn't have even tried to build the iPhone without the success of previous smartphones. And Apple copies too. And Apple makes features that fail, are not popular or don't work well sometimes. Everyone does. Not sure why they are excused while everyone else gets peed on.

 

[Baymowe335]

Actually, the TV is the great, most successful (and most influential) consumer product of all time. My point was, Apple wouldn't have even tried to build the iPhone without the success of previous smartphones. And Apple copies too. And Apple makes features that fail, are not popular or don't work well sometimes. Everyone does. Not sure why they are excused while everyone else gets peed on.

SINGLE product. TV is kind of like saying Car or modern house. Too many TV manufacturers to really give credit to the generic term. Apple invented the modern smartphone, so you could even give them credit for every Android that looks like the iPhone.

 

[bchery21]

While Face ID is impressive, I find the Apple Pay workflow awkward compared to Touch ID. It’s going to be even worse on a Plus sized device.

While I never had an iPhone with Touch ID, using Face ID for purchases doesn't seem awkward at all IMO.

 

[sidewinder3000]

SURPRISE, SURPRISE, SURPRISE!

Where are all the brainless haters who were ripping on Apple a year ago, claiming that they’d secretly wanted to add under the screen TouchID up to the last minute and only abandoned it because they failed? ENH!

The simple answer: they were wrong. As haters and trolls always are. The truth is that Apple knew that it wanted to have a touchless security system and a bezel free phone a long time ago, and had been working on the extremely advanced and intricate plans to create Face ID several years ago. There is simply no way to create something that advanced, complex, and tightly integrated as an afterthought.

Haters gonna hate. Trolls gonna troll. Morons are gonna... more-on?

 

[now i see it]

I've never tried face ID with Apple Pay so I can't comment on that, but Touch ID isn't perfect either. Apple Pay on a non X phone REQUIRES a fingerprint authorization and in the supermarket, that can be tricky if you've got refrigerated or frozen products you HAVE to put up on the conveyor.

These cold things get your fingers wet -which disables Touch ID, so I'm always feverishly trying to dry my finger off on my shirt before starting Apple Pay. Often im unsuccessful, so now I have keep the wallet app in the dock and launch it & authenticate long before the actual transaction in order to be sure Apple Pay will work - exactly what Apple said you didn't have to do. Ha!

 

[AngstyKylo]

this was the one chance for Samsung to finally one-up iPhone on something. they blew it.

If it was possible and user friendly I think Apple or Samsung would have implemented it. People seem to love Face ID so it seems they got it right.

 

[kruegdude]

I've never tried face ID with Apple Pay so I can't comment on that, but Touch ID isn't perfect either. Apple Pay on a non X phone REQUIRES a fingerprint authorization and in the supermarket, that can be tricky if you've got refrigerated or frozen products you HAVE to put up on the conveyor.

These cold things get your fingers wet -which disables Touch ID, so I'm always feverishly trying to dry my finger off on my shirt before starting Apple Pay. Often im unsuccessful, so now I have keep the wallet app in the dock and launch it & authenticate long before the actual transaction in order to be sure Apple Pay will work - exactly what Apple said you didn't have to do. Ha!

Actually you can use your passcode for Apple Pay. I don’t know how to invoke that option directly but I’ve had it prompt me for the code after I couldn’t get TouchID to work.

 

[groove-agent]

Too bad the selfie camera can't double as a fingerprint reader somehow. Maybe hold your finger over (not on) the selfie camera so not to put prints on the camera lens.

 

[mi7chy]

In-display sensors is the holy grail but I'd take small symmetrical bezels anyday over compromises like notch or popup camera. There is such a thing as too little of something when you have to resort to worse compromises.

 

[ApfelKuchen]

I'm not arguing against FaceID. I'm arguing for choice.

Ah, choice. Additional components, additional complexity, additional cost. Once committed to this double-feature, how does a company abandon choice without stirring a hornets nest of dissent? What criteria will Apple use to determine when "consumer choice" becomes "the consumer has spoken?" Like Abraham bargaining for the survival of Sodom and Gomorrah, would 30% usage be enough to continue offering a particular choice? 20%? 10%?

In this particular context, "choice" is just another way of saying, "I don't want to change. Change is OK for the other guy, but not me."

Yeah, Touch ID has been a very successful feature. It may seem counter-intuitive to abandon a successful feature for a new one, but that's generally the way things go.

I once owned a house that was built to support both gas lighting and electric. Effectively a matter of, "We don't know if this new-fangled electric stuff is going to work out." There was gas piping running under floorboards, above ceilings, and inside walls, all to support a "choice" that was never used. In the end, all it did was complicate renovations. Even more ironic, the house originally had a coal furnace/water heater, and coal kitchen stove. Those were replaced by gas. Alas, no wood-burning fireplace, and the oil industry never got a foothold.

 

[Rafterman]

SINGLE product. TV is kind of like saying Car or modern house. Too many TV manufacturers to really give credit to the generic term. Apple invented the modern smartphone, so you could even give them credit for every Android that looks like the iPhone.

No, Microsoft and companies like i-Mate invented the modern smartphone. Back in the day, I had a phone in my pocket with cellular data, wifi. bluetooth, could run apps, play music and video, and take pictures and video, as far back as 2003. Apple made it prettier, thanks to advances in tech, and integrated some things, like a single app store, as opposed to multiple third party app stores, like Handango. Apple also marketed it brilliantly, whereas Microsoft couldn't market its way out of a paper bag.

Android looks like iPhone because advances in tech allowed phones to look like they do. There are only so many ways you can create a thin slab of glass.

 

[farewelwilliams]

Don’t you think it would make more sense to abandon or delay a project versus try to release something that isn’t reliable and inconsistent? They have other security methods available.

that’s not what im suggesting
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While I think the technology is neat, I’m not sure how you can one-up someone in baseball when the other has decided they’re going to be playing basketball going forward...

better to think about it this way:

user wants to unlock the phone
FaceID is a layup, fingerprint under the screen is a slam dunk.

 

[Zwhaler]

Dang it. I was really hoping for that on the Note 9. I could use a new phone but I'm waiting for something exceptionally impressive. Front-side fingerprint reading is pretty convenient to me.

 

[farewelwilliams]

Finally? Samsung phones had thing like big screens, wireless charging and waterproofing long before Apple.

wireless charging itself doesnt improve the UX all that much
water resistance isn’t something you “use” everyday
and most apps still look like crap on bigger android phones
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If it was possible and user friendly I think Apple or Samsung would have implemented it. People seem to love Face ID so it seems they got it right.

i think if we took a poll asking “would you rather use a fingerprint under the screen or Face to unlock the phone”, you’d see a large number of people vote for the fingerprint

 

[Smeggy]

this was the one chance for Samsung to finally one-up iPhone on something. they blew it.

I find it amusing that people still think touch ID has a future. I had my doubts when I bought my X, but now I would never go back to touch ID, just like I would never want to go back to a home button. Everything about the X is better. Touch ID is dead guys, just accept it and move on.

 

[NT1440]

better to think about it this way:

user wants to unlock the phone
FaceID is a layup, fingerprint under the screen is a slam dunk.

My whole point is that Samsung and Apple are playing two different games.

TouchID is over, period.

 

[mdelvecchio]

Works fine.

Better than fine, it's identical. Remove phone, double-tap side as moving it to the POT terminal, look at it.

 

[Baymowe335]

No, Microsoft and companies like i-Mate invented the modern smartphone. Back in the day, I had a phone in my pocket with cellular data, wifi. bluetooth, could run apps, play music and video, and take pictures and video, as far back as 2003. Apple made it prettier, thanks to advances in tech, and integrated some things, like a single app store, as opposed to multiple third party app stores, like Handango. Apple also marketed it brilliantly, whereas Microsoft couldn't market its way out of a paper bag.

Android looks like iPhone because advances in tech allowed phones to look like they do. There are only so many ways you can create a thin slab of glass.

No, no they didn't.

Apple still owns this market today. 90% of the profits. They INVENTED the current smartphone experience. The prior failure products that didn't work don't count as a successful launch. Apple made that thin slab of glass with no keyboard work brilliantly (despite other pseudo tries). Android has absolutely copied the experience. Jobs said it himself and he was right.

 

[farewelwilliams]

My whole point is that Samsung and Apple are playing two different games.

TouchID is over, period.

that doesn't make sense.
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I find it amusing that people still think touch ID has a future. I had my doubts when I bought my X, but now I would never go back to touch ID, just like I would never want to go back to a home button. Everything about the X is better. Touch ID is dead guys, just accept it and move on.

i find it amusing that people think that others think touch ID has a future.
i never said Apple should re-introduce Touch ID.

 

[ApfelKuchen]

i think if we took a poll asking “would you rather use a fingerprint under the screen or Face to unlock the phone”, you’d see a large number of people vote for the fingerprint

Among people who have already used Face ID, or among the many who have yet to use it?

People didn't like the idea of fingerprint (regardless of location) until they used it. At the time, "Would you rather use a passcode or fingerprint," the answer would have been passcode.

Personally? What I love about FaceID is that it uses 3-D sensing technology that can be applied to AR/VR, photography/videography, and gesture/expression-based device control; back camera as well as front. The FaceID sensors are multi-taskers with lots of potential new uses, while fingerprints simply unlock the phone/validate identity.

But ya know, every discussion of this gets side-tracked to the same debate, with the same tired arguments. What I find telling about KGI's latest post is that it so closely echoes the speculation regarding Apple at around the same time last year. How much you want to bet that, sometime this fall, Samsung denies Kuo's report?

It doesn't seem to be a matter of whether it's possible to do the fingerprint-in-display thing - yes, it's been done. My takeaway is that it is sufficiently hard to do that the competing companies seem to be having a hard time coming up with an approach that works well without violating existing patents. When you consider this Holy Grail-like feature has a single, limited purpose, you have to ask just why any company would continue to pour its R&D resources down this particular rabbit hole. Again, R&D spending on 3-D sensing has far greater long-term value.

 

[Rafterman]

No, no they didn't.

Apple still owns this market today. 90% of the profits. They INVENTED the current smartphone experience. The prior failure products that didn't work don't count as a successful launch. Apple made that thin slab of glass with no keyboard work brilliantly (despite other pseudo tries). Android has absolutely copied the experience. Jobs said it himself and he was right.

You obviously are not old enough to remember the PPC, let alone have one.