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Kindle Fire Will Crush Other Android Tablets, May Increase iPad Sales Say Analysts

dashiel said:
The browser is first-class, there is no better browser on a tablet device period, the drop down menus issues are the fault of lazy developers who assume their work is seen only on desktop machines anymore.
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It may be the best in tablets...but I still think (and a lot of others do to) it's a fair experience...pull down menus, check-out experiences, 0 Flash support (whether it's video clips or ads or simply nifty webpage), ability to go to the top of the page by clicking on the top of the tablet but no way for me to go to the bottom of the page with 1 click, etc. I also find the interaction/integration between google.com via the browser and Google Maps app to be terrible. It's too complex to even give a good example on this forum.

iOS web browser needs some help...and/or Apple to push the top 200 websites to become iPad compliant. Both my wife and I have never purchased anything online via our iPad...and I would say we buy online 4-5 times a week at 5 different sites.
 
Agreed...

ravenvii said:
1) The Kindle Fire's browser, faster than the iPad's? Something is very, very wrong with your iPad, I am afraid.

2) Don't get too comfortable with Flash on the tablet - this is the last version that Adobe will make - they have abandoned Flash on mobile devices.
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I read that even Windows 8 is ditching Flash :cool:

I do like the Kindle Fire but I feel that the iPad 2 is much more versatile in regards to the Apps I need. :apple:
 
I can, and have seen (very small sample size) the idea of the smaller tablet readers leading to iPad purchases. Of course, that can be coincidental. Reading on the iPad is an enjoyable experience. I think the idea of putting more on these Tablet readers (Kindle and Nook) could lend to people seeing the possibility of the tablet and therefore heading to an all encompassing experience, like the iPad with IOS.

$.02
 
Eidorian said:
I want one but I have no use for one. I should just wait to get an Ivy Bridge thin and light notebook.
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I've haven't looked at a Transformer, so I don't know what they are really like. By this time next year there may be new tablets with Intel processors running Windows 8. Things should continue to get interesting.
 
AppleScruff1 said:
I've haven't looked at a Transformer, so I don't know what they are really like. By this time next year there may be new tablets with Intel processors running Windows 8. Things should continue to get interesting.
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I am looking for something to replace my current Late 2007 Macbook. It is struggling right now the video playback and more so on an external display. Given my keyboard usage, I would definitely be looking at a notebook instead of a tablet. Still, quad core tablet does sound nice.

HD 7000M should have more details out today and Intel's HD 4000 looks like a nice improvement over the existing one on Sandy Bridge.
 
I also think there is room in the market for both. Folks on this forum often see it as 'us vs them' proposition rather than what works for them as a consumer.

We have a mix of iPhone's, iPad and a Kindles around the house. At $200 it's a lot easier to swallow purchasing a Fire as an extra tablet, e-reader, web device than dropping another $500-$700 on another iPad.
 
APlotdevice said:
I imagine they've set up the demo unit like that because most department stores don't have WiFi.
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I figured it would be because some asshat would surf for porn and leave it on screen.

I am on a Kindle Fire right now. I love it. It certainly has its bugs and its limitations (no Bluetooth makes typing more than a tweet annoying, and SD card would be nice) but for many things it's lovely. Sure the iPad has far more apps and is all-round the better device, but you can't stick it in your back pocket -- and it's freaking $200. That puts it in gift territory for far more people than an iPad.
 
I think most people who start with a 7 inch tablet wont "upgrade" to a bigger one. After a year with my Galaxy Tab 7 I cant imagine taking an iPad with me on my daily train ride. it is just to big.

My co-worker almost got a fire but ended with a Lenovo A1 for 250.
 
*LTD* said:
You've just taken away any reason to actually go for the alternative. Might as well just get an iPad then.
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Except for the $300 difference in price. Well, and the fact that the Fire is really fun to use and feels in your hands like you got more than you paid for.

Believe it or not, not everyone wants, or needs, an iPad. There are reliable, affordable, and viable alternatives. Hard to believe, I know.
 
samcraig said:
At the same time, JP Morgan analyst Mark Moskowitz (and the Apple executives that he met with) feel that Apple is not seeing pressure from the Kindle Fire and that they are of the belief that current Fire owners "could gravitate to more feature-rich experiences" later on with the Fire acting as a "gateway drug".

Sorry - were Apple reps supposed to freak out and cry about Amazon's tablet. Of course they are going to maintain that the Kindle Fire isn't a threat or that they don't feel pressure.
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True true. That said, they have somewhat of a point. The question is: will the gravity effect be enough to outbalance the competitive effect. Further, while the KF will surely act as a "gateway drug" to tablet computing (much like the iPhone did for smartphones), the gateway will be to tablets in general, not Apple tablets by default. Granted, the tablet market is one with huge growth potential, we're talking about probably close to a billion in the next 5-6 years. As such, as long as Apple can keep raking in profits on catering to 10% of the users, why would they care :- )
 
kasei said:
I saw one over the weekend and thought it looked great but felt cheaply made compared the iPad 2 which feels rock solid though a little slippery in ones hands.
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You must be very, very strong. The first thing I did when I saw a demo Kindle Fire was give it a firm twist. It did not give under my strength which really stood out in my opinion.

Now imagine the next Kindle with a Tegra 3.
 
Amadeo said:
The whole "graduation" upsell is possible in theory. But as a marketer myself, it's harder to do it when the graduation is between two competing software/service ecosystems. This is part of the reason why Apple's retainment is so high. Once you buy into their ecosystem, it's hard to get out of it. Because you've invested X amount of dollars into software and content that is only available in that ecosystem.

The situation is no different with Amazon. Apple may be in for a rude awakening if people will be so quick to switch ecosystems from Amazon to theirs when they're "ready". It would be interesting to see Amazon create Fire "Pro" that more squarely competes with the iPad, and keeps users moving vertically within the ecosystem.
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Also true. One must understand that Amazon is no dumb kid. Like stated, by the time we see people wanting to transition to something better, Amazon will have that offering out there, again selling at an extremely competitive price. Then, as you have mentioned, we'll have a situation where early KF users are invested in the Amazon ecosystem creating a soft-lock in effect.

Also, as a researcher, i'd like to thank you for your last line. You just gave me a nice idea for an article. Cheers!

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AppleScruff1 said:
The Asus Transformer got a good write up on AnandTech. http://www.anandtech.com/show/5163/asus-eee-pad-transformer-prime-nvidia-tegra-3-review

He called it the best Android tablet out there.
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Looks really great. If only it dual-booted W8 and i hadn't just gotten myself a MBA i would've gone for it, easy.

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hissyfit said:
I read that even Windows 8 is ditching Flash :cool:

I do like the Kindle Fire but I feel that the iPad 2 is much more versatile in regards to the Apps I need. :apple:
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W8 is not ditching flash. Metro IEX 10 have no plugin support, period. Zip, zilch, nada. No nothing.
 
Matthew Yohe said:
I saw a Fire at a brick and mortar big-box store this weekend, and was blown away. Not because it was all too impressive, but because tapping the word "Web" doesn't let you use the awesome Silk browser, rather it shows you a video of what browsing would be like.
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Once again, an example of picking up a device without knowing how to use it and then bashing it.

Mine works just fine, but then again I've learned all about it. Something I like to do with everything I own.
 
AppleScruff1 said:
I've haven't looked at a Transformer, so I don't know what they are really like. By this time next year there may be new tablets with Intel processors running Windows 8. Things should continue to get interesting.
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Indeed... and don't forget -- ARM ones too.
 
If I were to get any tablet today, it'd definitely be a Kindle Fire.

My sister reads a LOT of books, I may end up getting her one. Apple cant hold a candle to Amazon's book store (or any other, for that matter).
 
Buyers hate them I thought

I thought they had a 14% return rate or something.
 
Aduntu said:
Except for the $300 difference in price. Well, and the fact that the Fire is really fun to use and feels in your hands like you got more than you paid for.

Believe it or not, not everyone wants, or needs, an iPad. There are reliable, affordable, and viable alternatives. Hard to believe, I know.
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I disagree...I believe more people will need an iPad since the industry is now categorizing it more and more as a PC, and the iPad has now become a self-sustained, post PC device.

Many people still need basic productivity. They still need to write up papers, do spreadsheets, create presentations, and will want to print them. They can with an iPad. They can take basic photos and record movies, then utilize them for internet and email usage.

At the same time, iCloud gives them a free of charge, backup solution for all their apps, photos, and documents, and people that invest their media in iTunes will always have access to them (except for movies, as of now, that is)

The fact that iPad can exist on it's own and that analysts see it encroach upon traditional PC sales with every passing quarter gives more and more reason for Apple's iPad market.
 
cashxx said:
I thought they had a 14% return rate or something.
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Amazon hasn't released sales figures. The stories out now on return rates are based on the number of negative user reviews on amazon.com. Using that as "data" is ludicrous.
 
Icaras said:
I disagree...I believe more people will need an iPad since the industry is now categorizing it more and more as a PC, and the iPad has now become a self-sustained, post PC device.
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Thats a pretty big assumption.

I for one wont ever buy an iPad (far too many restrictions).
 
replacing my MacBook

I have a 2006 first generation MacBook for home use. I would love to replace this with the new iPad 3.

For work, I'm stuck with a Dell Optiplex because it has $7K plus of proprietary softwares that only run on Window XP.
 
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