Kuo: 2025 Apple Vision Pro to Get M5 Chip and Apple Intelligence

[Royksöpp]

This is a niche product with a steep price point, and given its limited target audience, it's hard to imagine it achieving mainstream success. visionOS 2 failed to introduce any truly innovative features in terms of usability. What Apple needs to prioritize is a redesigned version that is more accessible to the masses.

 

[vantelimus]

So they've released the first version and charged consumers £3500-£4000, barely released any content for it, and theres now rumours a second version is coming out with updated hardware already?? Sorry what? Talk about hanging their customers out to dry.

You aren’t the target customer. You never were. Get accustomed to the fact that you are not an early adopter. You are mainstream.

 

[VisceralRealist]

You aren’t the target customer. You never were. Get accustomed to the fact that you are not an early adopter. You are mainstream.

Wait, I thought this was going to be the next iPhone. But now apparently it's only for a small, niche market and that's okay? The goalposts are always moving...

Selling something only to early adopters is not a winning business strategy. Despite the claims on this site, the first Vision Pro was not for "developers only". They wouldn't have it in the store right next to the iPhones if that were the case. Their goal is mainstream adoption. It just hasn't happened.

 

[acethelab]

I don't get all the hate for the Vision Pro. To me, it just seems like they had to release some sort of product just to expose the concept to the market in order for the consumer to be vaguely familiar with this style of device (and to begin to establish an App Store / development platform). They were always going to vastly improve it and make it practical for more people down the road. Reminiscent of the Watch, although more extreme.

 

[YukiseKimi]

Wait, I thought this was going to be the next iPhone. But now apparently it's only for a small, niche market and that's okay? The goalposts are always moving...

Selling something only to early adopters is not a winning business strategy. Despite the claims on this site, the first Vision Pro was not for "developers only". They wouldn't have it in the store right next to the iPhones if that were the case. Their goal is mainstream adoption. It just hasn't happened.

I guess the Pro Display XDR is also for Mainstream then

 

[Timo_Existencia]

I'll say again, to all of you "it should have been just like the Meta Orion!" (for $499 )...

The AR glasses so many of you seem to fixate on have much less of a use-case than the Vision Pro.

Go ahead...tell me a few things that you'd use such glasses for?

For one, the resolution of the Meta Orion is horrible in comparison to the AVP. So you wouldn't use them for media consumption. I simply don't understand the hype for AR. I never use AR in the AVP. I'm always in immersive mode. And the Orion doesn't really appear to be a computing platform, per se. Using it for productivity would be out, since again, you need hi resolution to replace monitors. And what advantage does AR give you in monitor replacement? None. Immersion is a much better model for monitor replacement.

The point is, the core argument that many of you have against the AVP is that you want cheap glasses...and those cheap glasses in no way compare to the AVP.

It goes back the point that many who are critical of the AVP, but who want "glasses" simply haven't ever used AR/VR to understand what it actually is and can do.

 

[blocsapp]

This is good news IMO.

As an owner of the first gen AVP (which I love) I hope we see device iterations every 24months minimum. What we don’t want is HomePod Pro / AirPod Max release cycles.

Apple just needs to push forward, it’s going to take 10years, but eventually it’ll replace phones, tablets and laptops for many of us.

 

[0x4d]

This is just highway robbery. A one year old Pro headset that costs 4k is not getting AI while a 2-3 year old iPhone does? How is that even possible? I would be very disappointed with apple if they render this device obsolete by software fencing features one year in

 

[YukiseKimi]

Where do these people claiming AVP won't get Apple Intelligence come from?? Apple Execs have said in interviews that it's coming to the AVP already. It's an M2 chip with 16 gb of ram, it obviously can support Apple Intelligence.

 

[AndiG]

This is just highway robbery. A one year old Pro headset that costs 4k is not getting AI while a 2-3 year old iPhone does? How is that even possible? I would be very disappointed with apple if they render this device obsolete by software fencing features one year in

What did you expect from a prototype? What did you expect from Apple? The AVP was obsolete the day you bought it - you should have returned it to the store with 14days.

 

[Amazing Iceman]

should have waited. now you get the M5 chip. 2 nm??

At least we enjoyed it since day one. Time to start saving for this new one. I already have $1K in Apple Rewards.

 

[Amazing Iceman]

I don't get all the hate for the Vision Pro. To me, it just seems like they had to release some sort of product just to expose the concept to the market in order for the consumer to be vaguely familiar with this style of device (and to begin to establish an App Store / development platform). They were always going to vastly improve it and make it practical for more people down the road. Reminiscent of the Watch, although more extreme.

Yeah, it’s just the sore losers who can’t afford it, complaining about the price.

 

[cnnyy20p]

The processing power never was the issue with this device, never mind with its ability to reach mainstream adoption. It's... everything else. The weight, the abysmal battery life, the form factor itself, etc. And probably most importantly: the price.

I strongly disagree, Vision Pro need to constantly render 2 set of near 4K graphics in 3 dimensions in real time 90fps. Which is very taxing. The more efficient processor chip can we create the smaller and lighter the tech can get.

 

[AndiG]

The Quest Pro didn't even last 2 years before being discontinued and it doesn't even have the biggest complaints of the vision pro

1- The price is lower
2- It's lighter
3- More apps at launch

People still did not buy and got it discontinued.
Companies are still figuring things out. It's normal for a new market, like at the beginning of smartphones pre 2005. If you have the resources to try before market matures then go ahead, if not just wait.

VR is dead any everyone is scaling back their efforts. Industry had hopes in the gaming industry, but especially this industry failed. VR causes motion sickness, eye strain and headache esp in gaming (waiting for the one forum member yelling „NOT ME“). So VR is dead, the PS5 solution is dead.
So VR is a niche market for architects showcasing their stuff and maybe also for some design studios. So yes, there is a market, but it is very small and it doesn‘t make sense to invest billions of dollars.

 

[bgillander]

The Quest Pro didn't even last 2 years before being discontinued and it doesn't even have the biggest complaints of the vision pro

1- The price is lower
2- It's lighter
3- More apps at launch

People still did not buy and got it discontinued.
Companies are still figuring things out. It's normal for a new market, like at the beginning of smartphones pre 2005. If you have the resources to try before market matures then go ahead, if not just wait.

Sorry, but the Quest Pro is 722 grams, while the AVP is 600-650 grams. That was one of the advantages of splitting the AVP battery out.

Meta didn't update the Quest Pro after the Quest 3 came out, so it was a hard sell when the Quest 3 had some newer/better features (and, indeed, was lighter at 515 grams) for a much lower price. If Apple does update the AVP as indicated in this article, Apple will at least be avoiding that mistake.

 

[YukiseKimi]

I stand corrected.

It is disappointing to see Meta not supporting their hardware long term.

 

[bgillander]

Yes. Much like how Sony & Microsoft invest heavily in the content side with each new console roll out, this seems like it needs Apple to further open the gigantic wallet and spend some money either creating much more of their own content especially for it and/or offering seed (AKA bribe) money to third parties to create incredible stuff for it.

Instead, they seem to be going at like they are going at "we're serious about gaming:" a "we built it, now you (developers) make it amazing." My very best opinion of it is that it can't be a "build it and they will come" model. My gut is that Apple needs to put as much into it now as what they have put into it over the last 5+ years to get it to market. Else, I'm not sure third parties see enough ROI in it to make it a success for Apple.

The common perception is that stuff like Playstations are "loss leaders" and Sony makes the money on the "apps." In this case, I suspect Apple is seeking maximum profit on each unit sold AND on the "apps" too. Therein lies even the fan frustration at value proposition. Either make it much more affordable or make the existing pricing seem like a bargain by jacking up the "what can it do?" benefits.

I wish Sony was actually better at supporting their hardware. I've bought multiple dead-end formats from them over the years, and am currently feeling buyer's remorse over the PSVR2, as they didn't even bother to add Blu-ray 3D playback to it. Since 3D TVs are now impossible to find, the ability to play back my disc collection in the PSVR (especially if my old TV ever dies) was a main selling point for me for the PSVR1, and Sony couldn't even be bothered to add the firmware patch and software to the new PS5 model to support the format they created and dead-ended. Sure, it might not appeal to the majority of PSVR2 users, but the minor effort involved would have felt like they actually cared about those of us that have paid for their format experiments over the years.

 

[spcopsmac21]

Apple is developing a new version of its Vision Pro headset that is set to enter mass production in the second half of 2025, according to Apple analyst Ming-Chi Kuo.

Kuo claims the most significant change in the new model will be the inclusion of Apple's M5 chip, a substantial upgrade from the M2 chip found in the current Vision Pro. The processor boost is expected to significantly improve device's computing power, with a particular emphasis on integrated Apple Intelligence features.

Despite the upgraded internals, Kuo reports that other hardware specifications and the overall design of the Vision Pro will remain largely unchanged. This approach could help Apple manage production costs, although the price point is expected to stay close to the current $3,499 starting price of the first-generation model.

Kuo emphasized that if this new version creates compelling use cases, it could push Apple's spatial computing platform closer to mainstream adoption. He also speculates on the potential integration of advanced AI models, such as text-to-video capabilities similar to OpenAI's Sora, which could dramatically enhance the Vision Pro experience.

Bloomberg's Mark Gurman reports that Apple plans to introduce Apple Intelligence features to the Vision Pro headset in the future. While the device is capable of running on-device AI functions such as writing tools, notification summaries, and an upgraded Siri, these features are not expected to arrive in 2024. Instead, Apple may be reserving the Apple Intelligence integration for visionOS 3, potentially launching in 2025.

Article Link: Kuo: 2025 Apple Vision Pro to Get M5 Chip and Apple Intelligence

Ouch.
You get completely ******** over for being an early adopter.

AND you paid $3,500.

Yikes

 

[bgillander]

I stand corrected.

It is disappointing to see Meta not supporting their hardware long term.

I do wish they had updated the Quest Pro, but the Quest 3 does run all the same software, so it is more like they just dropped a fancier model. Since they still make other Quest models, eye-tracking could return some day, but I assume they are focusing on what they can currently sell while minimizing their costs, since I doubt they are selling them for a profit (though I guess the Quest Pro at its original price might have cost enough to pay for the parts.)

 

[bgillander]

Ouch.
You get completely ******** over for being an early adopter.

AND you paid $3,500.

Yikes

That was pretty much the definition of "early adopter". I guess technology has stabilized enough for that to not happen as obviously these days, but used to be the norm over the first 20-30 years of home computing.

Ironically, $3500 was actually on the low end in the 1980s, back when $3500 was a lot more money than today. My first hard drive was a huge 105MB Quantum in 1989 that I got at cost for $800.

Excuse me, I have to go yell at some kids to get off my lawn!

 

[spcopsmac21]

That was pretty much the definition of "early adopter". I guess technology has stabilized enough for that to not happen as obviously these days, but used to be the norm over the first 20-30 years of home computing.

Ironically, $3500 was actually on the low end in the 1980s, back when $3500 was a lot more money than today. My first hard drive was a huge 105MB Quantum in 1989 that I got at cost for $800.

Excuse me, I have to go yell at some kids to get off my lawn!

Well I appreciate the story.

It’s not 1989.

And what you’re describing doesn’t happen today with $3500 products.
It certainly doesn’t happen with Apple.
And certainly not flagship products.

But I suppose the whole AI thing was a last minute after through that Apple jumped in on late into the game.

The iPhone 15PM can use the upcoming AI. A previous generation product.
The fact a significantly more expensive and more powerful device can’t.

That will do nothing but show consumers that investing early into a new product segment with Apple is a bad idea and a terrible financial gamble.

 

[Funny Apple Man]

The Quest Pro didn't even last 2 years before being discontinued and it doesn't even have the biggest complaints of the vision pro

1- The price is lower
2- It's lighter
3- More apps at launch

People still did not buy and got it discontinued.
Companies are still figuring things out. It's normal for a new market, like at the beginning of smartphones pre 2005. If you have the resources to try before market matures then go ahead, if not just wait.

Not many people bought the Quest Pros for two reasons:

1. While it was cheaper than Vision Pro, $1,000-1,500 is still a lot. Meanwhile, the Quest 2 was only $300 at that time. Of course, many people went with the cheaper Quest 2.

2. Less than a year after the Pros came out, Quest 3 was released. It had better passthrough quality and more powerful chip than the pros. It costed half the price of the pros at $500.

Edit: And yes I'll say it, despite the bad pricing of the Quest Pro, you still could do more with it than the Vision Pro.

 

[ProbablyDylan]

I guess the Pro Display XDR is also for Mainstream then

Don't forget Mac Pro, very mainstream that thing!

Love the way it grates cheddar

 

[Timo_Existencia]

And what you’re describing doesn’t happen today with $3500 products.
It certainly doesn’t happen with Apple.
And certainly not flagship products.

This is all nonsense. Anyone who bought the AVP was aware that new chips were in the pipeline on the day we bought it. Trying to create drama over the fact that Apple will eventually put a newer chip in the device is funny.

What? A newer, faster chip? Who knew?

Well...everybody.

 

[Amazing Iceman]

This is all nonsense. Anyone who bought the AVP was aware that new chips were in the pipeline on the day we bought it. Trying to create drama over the fact that Apple will eventually put a newer chip in the device is funny.

What? A newer, faster chip? Who knew?

Well...everybody.

Very true...
And actually it was a very good surprise that Apple is planning to launch an updated AVP with M5 chip.
Can't wait to get it.