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Kuo: 2025 Apple Vision Pro to Get M5 Chip and Apple Intelligence
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At this point I don't care about the price, I just don't know what it's for.
Reducing the price and/or improving the hardware won't automagically fix the lack of usefulness.
This is yet another example of a failed attempt of launching a (not so) revolutionary product. AVP is the next Apple Car.
Which raises the question - what compromises are people willing to make in order to hit that price point?
The Vision Pro is as expensive as it is because it does cost that much more to make. The components aren't cheap, and you are basically paying more for a more premium experience. Would a cheaper headset that uses lower-resolution displays have a market if the experience isn't as immersive (because they no longer look as lifelike?). Something like spatial video loses its allure if the footage you are viewing isn't anywhere near that they would appear in real life.
Adding the battery to the headset would just make it heavier, something Apple seems to be trying to minimise, in part because the AVP already weighs as much as it does.
Take away everything which makes the AVP uniquely AVP, and what's the point if it's more or less indistinguishable from other competitors in the market?
Ah, the frustration on the haters...AVP was supposed to be cancelled by now!!!!!
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AVP is here to stay. You can always just move on to hating something else. Right?
BTW, I love my AVP.
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AVP is here to stay. You can always just move on to hating something else. Right?
BTW, I love my AVP.
Meanwhile, the new Quest 3s can do almost everything that Vision Pro does and has a much much better gaming library. Oh and it’s only $300.
I know price isn’t the only issue with AVP, but a lot more people would’ve been on board if it wasn’t the case.
Release a $3500 headset with software and OS that is more limited than the $300 headset, which lead to not many buying them. This second generation with M5 chip won’t be any different.
I know price isn’t the only issue with AVP, but a lot more people would’ve been on board if it wasn’t the case.
Release a $3500 headset with software and OS that is more limited than the $300 headset, which lead to not many buying them. This second generation with M5 chip won’t be any different.
It will never be mainstream like the iPhone. It’s ahead of its time look at the Meta quest 3 they are only $300 and no one buys them. The future right now is foldable phones. Having a tablet in your pocket or a mini Mac is what people want! Apple needs to get on board
It’s only still a thing because this is Tim Cook’s legacy. He wanted this thing and while it may work for some people most people don’t want or will buy one. Just like not everyone will want a folding phone.
AAPL needed a way to recoup their R&D of this product so I believe that's why it's so highly priced. The hype factor sold the 450K more than anything else. It wasn't possible to ship volume at a lower price due to the complexity of the technology. So, milk the early adopters for every dollar they can and see if the technology will miniaturize for the lower priced, lower spec'd volume product for the unwashed masses. It's just that the oomph from the initial product has pretty much peetered out.
I’m happy to hear that a second generation is in active development, but I really hope that a faster processor isn’t the only new feature. This thing needs to be significantly lighter with a wider FOV, longer battery life, and more expansive color gamut. The internal lens glare is really bad, too - they need to address that somehow.
I’d also like to see Gen 2 drop down to $2499, but perhaps $2999 is more realistic if it gets any price cut.
I’d also like to see Gen 2 drop down to $2499, but perhaps $2999 is more realistic if it gets any price cut.
It’s definitely CPU/gpu limited in a lot of areas. Specifically, some menus skip frames when scrolling, although OS2 fixed a lot of that. The M5 would materially make this a better product.
Then AR/or VR isn’t ready for prime then, cost has to be down without compromising the tech
iPads are far more popular than Macs. I doubt there is any concern about cannibalization - in any case, it would be the other way around. iPads do some things Macs do, they do some things Macs can’t do, and don’t do some things Macs can do. Same with the Vision Pro. Trying to do all things Macs can do on a Vision Pro would be a failure.
Even though the Vision Pro is by far the most powerful HMD, it’s still cpu / gpu constrained in many areas, and I’m happy to hear about M5. FWIW, Vision Pro was heavily delayed due to the pandemic, and its M2 always felt like a last minute addition.
A big advantage with the M5 is the high likelihood of default 120hz, with downlocking to 100hz for PAL content. This will help tremendously with motion blur and viewing 60fps content.
Another tidbit is that the new iPhone Pro’s have a new anti glare coating on all the rear cameras, and the standard models have that coating on one of the cameras. I feel like this might be Apple testing a new lens coating for Vision Pro, as the screen glare in the cinema environment is above and beyond the most significant hardware issue with the Vision Pro.
People like to complain about the external battery, but that’s actually a superior design. It’s very easy to plug it in while in use (unlike quest). Also, having an easily replaceable battery goes a long way for the overall longevity of the product.
As for weight, that’s all pretty subjective. However, I promise that it’s not as heavy as it looks.
A big advantage with the M5 is the high likelihood of default 120hz, with downlocking to 100hz for PAL content. This will help tremendously with motion blur and viewing 60fps content.
Another tidbit is that the new iPhone Pro’s have a new anti glare coating on all the rear cameras, and the standard models have that coating on one of the cameras. I feel like this might be Apple testing a new lens coating for Vision Pro, as the screen glare in the cinema environment is above and beyond the most significant hardware issue with the Vision Pro.
People like to complain about the external battery, but that’s actually a superior design. It’s very easy to plug it in while in use (unlike quest). Also, having an easily replaceable battery goes a long way for the overall longevity of the product.
As for weight, that’s all pretty subjective. However, I promise that it’s not as heavy as it looks.
I’m not convinced by the VP as it is, but thankfully Apple still doesn’t present prototypes and preserve their dignity. Trying to fool people is an important line not to cross.
Absolutely agree. I think people don’t really think about what’s the limit of a price reduction without affecting the VP core features. $2500, maybe (optimistic)? Even if they’re able to produce the same exact product at a lower price: how many more people are going to buy the same VP they wouldn’t buy at $3500 for $2500?
I think it’s much more feasible to attract people with a $3500 VP with a better experience (in terms of weight, fov, battery, compelling use cases, etc.).
The only way this makes sense is if Apple plans to ship their cheaper Vision device at the same time. By 2025, the M2 will look pretty dated especially for a premium device. I could definitely see them launching the cheaper model to grow the market then giving the Vision Pro a spec bump update to keep it current.
Another Pro level Vision product won’t grow the market on its own in any major way beyond what it is now. Apple needs to hit that $1500 mark and they need to do it in a form factor that people can use without discomfort.
Another Pro level Vision product won’t grow the market on its own in any major way beyond what it is now. Apple needs to hit that $1500 mark and they need to do it in a form factor that people can use without discomfort.
Who wants foldable phones? I barely know anyone with one. It’s an overpriced gimmick and most of them break fairly quickly whether by user error or just failing from the fold. It adds nothing to the experience and makes it more difficult to use. VR and AR are truly impressive New technology. vision pro is the first new tech device to excite me in a long time even without much software and just using it to watch movies
I'll never understand the haters. Why worry and hate about what other people like? It's really strange.
Best I can come up with is for some people hating feels empowering. And empowering feels good - even though it adds zero value to the discussion/conversation.
I suspect many of those have little idea what AVP can be used for. Both for personal enjoyment and commercial applications.
That's the whole thing behind these devices... to be out of touch with reality... so mission accomplished!
"Kuo: 2025 Apple Vision Pro to Get M5 Chip and Apple Intelligence" - Bet it doesn't, I think this device will quietly die.
