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Tobacco industry said same thing about cigarettes and cancer. “No evidence”, “no scientific proof”, etc.
So people working at the International Agency for Research on Cancer must be idiots?

Its possible they are idiots so that's not really an argument for or against. Most the UN invetigatory groups are relatively small staffing and often by part time people. The fact that cigarette companies tried to protect their product should make us suspicious of the claims of big organizations like corporations and governments but doesn't really add any evidence beyond some wisdom.

The specific claims of can heating and cooling of tissue lead to cancer is more interesting - hyperthermia is known to be a way to destroy human tissue but the damage tends to be in protein malfunction not long term genetic damage. But its hard to heat human tissue in a sustained way without a huge energy source like the sun or an ultrasound probe designed for the purpose. But the sun doesn't raise the temperature of the skin very much because of our bodies homeostasis counter efforts, and the skin most heated is actually not reproducing skin so the heating doesn't induce cancer - genetic damage is caused by more penetrating and higher energy radiation. So - given the sun has a hard time heating our skin given the homeostatic response could a small digital device heat deep tissues for a long period of time? Its all possible but given the unlikelihood I would want to see compelling evidence that it is occurring because the science says it is possible but unlikely given what we know about carcinogenesis and the human body and thermal management.

So the final question is where you fall on the population risk vs innovation spectrum. Thats a personal and cultural decision but the evidence is in most peoples behaviors we are very risky when adopting new human innovations.
 
How do they expect to have a 5G chip in time for next year when they just acquired the team? It takes YEARS to produce a chip. Or was the Intel 5G chip already in the late design stages? Or maybe they only focus on sub-6Ghz 5G first and full 5G later?

They will use Qualcom as they are locked in a contract for 5 years or so. Intel purchase is strategic long term vision.
 
With everything good "being 2020" I actually wonder if Apple ever cared to be releasing anything compelling or decent in 2019. It feels to me that Apple has had their "oh s$#*!!!" moment and can't do anything before then.

There can be some AI stuff, like offline Siri, some AR stuff, processor, 3 cameras, being wireless charger for Watch, AirPods and maybe some surprise....
 
OK, you can put me in the minority, 5G is not something that will get me to upgrade in 2020, what will, will probably be a midsize phone with an affordable price point. As much as I like the larger phones, I do want something smaller/more portable in the pocket without being too obtrusive. My needs are becoming more minimal now that I can resort to the Apple Watch/iPad for other accommodations.
 
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low effort for Apple:
these iPhones may disappoint if you plan to keep the phone for a few years and 5G takes off
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Apple has had an unsteady 5G development cycle and will continue play catchup next couple years


when 5G becomes available at your house you will really really want it to work
I highly doubt it. This is the same jazz that has been spewed about 3G, 4G, and LTE. The next standard coming is always the one where cellular data finally gets serious. Seriously, this has been the same story each time. The truth has been far less interesting.

I'm still here in an extremely popular, and populated county and LTE is precisely 1 bar. 1.5 if I go outside. Drive 5 minutes toward a main road, and suddenly LTE is 4-5 bars.

This is the same thing that keeps happening. The rollout is pathetic, never gets completed, and then they move on to the next big thing.

And, why would I ever want it to work anyway? It will be ridiculously limited, and expensive. It will never perform better than a local Gigabit hardline, with wireless access points.

I can't ever imagine wanting it to work...god forbid I accidentally use it and consume the few gigs of data I'm allotted.
 
With everything good "being 2020" I actually wonder if Apple ever cared to be releasing anything compelling or decent in 2019. It feels to me that Apple has had their "oh s$#*!!!" moment and can't do anything before then.

They didn’t. 2019 was an iterative update, and the last of the Jony Ive influence. Apple is willing to take the hit to their sales in 2019, banking on the 2020 models to more than make up for it.

Apple, by now, knows that a significant percentage of their customers are rejecting the X-series iPhones, and that those customers won’t be compelled to make that switch.

Free’d of the Jony Ive influences, the 2020 iPhones can actually provide features their customers want (or, in the case of touchID, bring such features back - hopefully, the Home Button isn’t far behind)
 
Agreed, but as Kuo points out consumers (at the current rate of marketing disinformation) will expect it as standard for any premium phone. Sadly I don't know that I can hold out another year on my iPhone 6. I may snag a newer old model to tide me over. Usually I buy the top model and hold it for 4-5 years but the 2019 models seem like the model year to skip.

Go and get an iPhone 8. Perfectly decent upgrade that will last you 2-3 years.
 
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They will use Qualcom as they are locked in a contract for 5 years or so. Intel purchase is strategic long term vision.

apple can see 1-2years of semi functional 5G modem technology happening
they can survive 2 years
 
5G is irrelevant in your iPhone for at least another 2-3 years, because the infrastructure simply isn’t there. Kinda pointless to boast about having a 5G phone, when you don’t actually have a 5G signal - which the majority of iPhone users won’t get.

Furthermore, 5G will make a difference to internet users at home locations, as it allows the use of wireless hotspots with speeds rivaling cable internet connections without the need for wired connections, or being depending on whatever local carrier has the wired monopoly.

It’s highly doubtful that most of you *need* to stream 4x 4K movies simultaneously on your iPhone or iPad.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/all-the-reasons-not-to-buy-a-5g-phone-right-now-11563467389

Joanna Stern, writing for The Wall Street Journal:

Eager to test out a technology that’s been more hyped than flavored sparkling water, I embarked on a 5G expedition from Denver to Atlanta to Chicago to Manhattan’s Lower East Side. I mostly used the new, $1,300 Samsung Galaxy S10 5G, one of the first 5G phones and the only one available across all the carriers. I also tested the LG V50 ThinQ 5G on Sprint’s network; Verizon has a version but I didn’t test it.

After nearly 120 tests, more than 12 city miles walked and a couple of big blisters, I can report that 5G is fasten-your-seat-belt fast… when you can find it. And you’re standing outdoors. And the temperature is just right.
 
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My iPhone SE is starting to finally feel long in the tooth, the battery life isn't great, and I want a new camera, so I guess I'm springing for this year's hardware, as much as the thought of carrying around a ginormo-phone infuriates me.
 
From Wikipedia:

Non-ionizing radiation can produce non-mutagenic effects such as inciting thermal energy in biological tissue that can lead to burns. In 2011, the International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) from the World Health Organization (WHO) released a statement adding radiofrequency electromagnetic fields (including microwave and millimeter waves) to their list of things which are possibly carcinogenic to humans.[3]

Constant heating/inflammation of cells can lead to cancer.

Wikipedia isn't actually a valid resource. Literally anyone can put and/or edit articles on wikipedia.
 
Wikipedia isn't actually a valid resource. Literally anyone can put and/or edit articles on wikipedia.

Seeing as how the Wikipedia article lists reference sources, the information on non-ionizing radiation is valid, especially if you know how to click on the links for references, which are primary sources. Tinfoil hats aren’t helpful tools in discussions.
 
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guess there's no reason to expect much from the 2019 model, and might be even less reason to upgrade to it unless they're gonna have some really nice launch promotions.
 
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links to backup your understanding? Are you serious...?
You do realize that research that lacks evidence will not get published in scientific journals?

Let me ask you this, send me a link to a published scientific paper, author and issue number of the paper that proved 5G frequency penetrates the human dermis! Do it now!

None of the links you send me is referring to any published papers.

You still don’t understand and is read try to deflect the argument. You haven’t posted any links and are still presenting opinion as fact.
 
You still don’t understand and is read try to deflect the argument. You haven’t posted any links and are still presenting opinion as fact.

A site that calls itself ‘naturalblaze’ (or, really, anything with the word ‘natural’ it) isn’t a legitimate source for anything.

He’s asked you to provide supporting evidence, which you continue to fail to provide. This is the wrong thread for your tinfoil hattery.
 
Supposedly all 2020 new models are OLED. How do we get from a 5.8” OLED iPhone at $999 this year to a 5.4” OLED model at $699 in 2020? What features do you eliminate? You can call it an XR, but does just changing the name drop $300 from the price of an OLED model, which has never been less than $999?

I’m just not following your logic. Are you saying the 2019 lineup goes from this:

$749 LCD 6.1” 11R
$999 OLED 5.8” 11
$1,099 OLED 6.5” 11 Max

to this in 2020?

$699 OLED 5.4” 5G
$999 OLED 6.1” 5G
$1,099 OLED 6.7” 5G

I really don’t see how you get to a $699 2020 5.4” OLED when a 5.8” is $999 this year. Just switching the 5.8” display to 5.4” won’t save Apple more than $20, which would get offset by increased costs due to 5G. And who would pay an extra $300 just to get the slightly larger 6.1” model?


I suppose we could see something like this for 2020:

$799-899 OLED 5.4” 5G
$999 OLED 6.1” 5G
$1,099-1,199 OLED 6.7” 5G

Maybe the 5.4” model would be de-featured from the 6.1/6.7 models in some way to get to the lower end of that price range, possibly mostly differences in the camera.

That’s the problem. Where did you read that all iPhones in 2020 will be OLED? From what I understand, they are adding a third size to the OLED iPhones, but I am still fully expecting a non-OLED XR to exist in the lineup. I haven’t read any rumors mentioning that the XR was getting axed?

To be clear, I want Apple to return back to sane prices where the entry level phone used to cost $649. I believe releasing a smaller sized, non-OLED XR could achieve that price point. Because not all of us want want plus sized phones at plus sized prices.
 
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You still don’t understand and is read try to deflect the argument. You haven’t posted any links and are still presenting opinion as fact.

Which "opinion" did I propose as a fact, please refer me to that statement!

Second, I am a researcher at the department of Genetics and Biotechnology at Wageningen University. As a researcher in these fields, there are absolutely zero journals that we can publish our data in the absence of empirical evidence. In short, one cannot publish a paper to disprove anything (how to disprove something in the absence of its existence, and how statistically verify that specific data?)
I cannot refer you to a non existing paper, go figure (PubMed!)

Now I am asking you again, please refer me to a specific paper, author and issue-number that provides empirical evidence about the danger of 5G.

I have one more question to you, about which (exact) frequency are you talking about when you refer to 5G? The W-band of the microwave part of the electromagnetic spectrum or millimeter waves which are currently in use by the cellular and wireless industries (5G f=30Ghz)?
 
You’re joking right? He gets so much credit because he’s known as the guy who’s right the most.

Have you been following him closely over the years though? He'll say stuff that never comes into fruition, then changes his prediction as launch approaches when leaks have been out. Then he's suddenly "right". Or predicting stuff that is inevitable... for example if he were to say iphones are going to be using OLED screens (which they did) or adopting USB-C. You can't get credit for things that are obviously going to happen...
 
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