Kuo: All Three iPhones Coming in 2020 Will Support 5G

cmaier

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No one will ever be able to tell me that 5G does not pose health risks. We are so screwed with 5G. Have your babies while you can because your eggs sperm are going to be fried.
5G does not pose health risks.

Seems someone was able to tell you that after all.
 

pika2000

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Meh.
Even today, 3G coverage is not yet 100% universal, let alone 4G. 5G will be a money grab by the carriers to charge you more for the same service. Remember the early days of 4G where there are premium fees associated with it? Besides, will these 5G devices be universal and unlocked around the world, or are we going back to carrier specific handsets?

I don’t mind waiting this out. No need to be on the bleeding edge and paying more. I’ll get the 2019 iPhone, and by the time I need to upgrade, 5G then would already be commonplace, requires no extra fees, and universal compatibility (just like 4G is close to now).

Good luck with you guys being the beta testers for 5G (and paying for it).
 

littyboy

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Well here comes Captain Obvious Kuo. Who would release any flagship phone in 2020 with no 5G...
I'm not sure why we give this Kuo dude so much credit. He either throws random stuff on the wall and hopefully it sticks... OR says rumors that have already been said...
 

radiologyman

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So that confirms it. Will skip 2019 for 2020 5.4 in with Qualcomm modem, 5 nm processor, smaller bezels and a 5G.
 

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No point in upgrading to 2019 iPhone than. If you want to future-proof for 5G. I made the mistake of getting iPhone 4 when it didn’t support 4G when all other phones did back then and stayed with it until the Iphone 6 came out. Not making that mistake again with this years iPhone as I still have the 6
Ever heard of SELLING the phone each year? I upgrade each year, re-contract for 2 & simply SELL the current phone & pay out the remainder of contract.
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So that confirms it. Will skip 2019 for 2020 5.4 in with Qualcomm modem, 5 nm processor, smaller bezels and a 5G.
Thanks for that.
 

PickUrPoison

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Of course you need a XR in there. You can't have an entry price point of $899 for an iPhone. I just think that's an absurd price. When you consider that after the iPhone 8, they've stopped selling older models for cheaper, we're going to need something at $749 and under. Better yet, a 5.4" XR at $699 would be a return back to sanity, like how Apple just brought the price of the new Air back to down to $1099.
Supposedly all 2020 new models are OLED. How do we get from a 5.8” OLED iPhone at $999 this year to a 5.4” OLED model at $699 in 2020? What features do you eliminate? You can call it an XR, but does just changing the name drop $300 from the price of an OLED model, which has never been less than $999?

I’m just not following your logic. Are you saying the 2019 lineup goes from this:

$749 LCD 6.1” 11R
$999 OLED 5.8” 11
$1,099 OLED 6.5” 11 Max

to this in 2020?

$699 OLED 5.4” 5G
$999 OLED 6.1” 5G
$1,099 OLED 6.7” 5G

I really don’t see how you get to a $699 2020 5.4” OLED when a 5.8” is $999 this year. Just switching the 5.8” display to 5.4” won’t save Apple more than $20, which would get offset by increased costs due to 5G. And who would pay an extra $300 just to get the slightly larger 6.1” model?


I suppose we could see something like this for 2020:

$799-899 OLED 5.4” 5G
$999 OLED 6.1” 5G
$1,099-1,199 OLED 6.7” 5G

Maybe the 5.4” model would be de-featured from the 6.1/6.7 models in some way to get to the lower end of that price range, possibly mostly differences in the camera.
 
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apolloa

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If all three models are OLED and 5G, is there even an XR anymore? What would that look like? Because I don’t think anyone is going to want to pay an additional $250 for an extra camera lens.

The rumors we have so far have destroyed the expected feature differentiation. Maybe the new lineup, instead of the middle-sized model being the cheapest, will be something more like this:

5.4” $899
6.1” $999
6.7” $1,099

with feature parity, like the XS/XS Max.
You didn’t read the story did you. Koh states that they will fit OLEDS and 5G into all their iPhones because a lot of cheaper, like much cheaper, Android phones will have those features, so to counteract next years iPhones will come with those features. They are hardly going to be competitive if they price all there handsets above 900 dollars!

The XR will still cost less, have a less feature rich rear camera and a lower resolution OLED screen, you do know you can get phones with 1080P OLEDS right? They can be what ever resolution you want.
Hiking the price of the XR by 250 dollars for no reason would kill iPhone sales even more then Apple already has, that will lead to a bigger drop in share price because remember, over 60% of Apples entire earnings still come from iPhone sales.
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5G does not pose health risks.
I would say prove it, but you can’t at present.
 
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Meh.
Even today, 3G coverage is not yet 100% universal, let alone 4G. 5G will be a money grab by the carriers to charge you more for the same service. Remember the early days of 4G where there are premium fees associated with it? Besides, will these 5G devices be universal and unlocked around the world, or are we going back to carrier specific handsets?

I don’t mind waiting this out. No need to be on the bleeding edge and paying more. I’ll get the 2019 iPhone, and by the time I need to upgrade, 5G then would already be commonplace, requires no extra fees, and universal compatibility (just like 4G is close to now).

Good luck with you guys being the beta testers for 5G (and paying for it).
This was the case before and will be the case when 5G rolls out. The society has been evolved into a point where if we don’t change the system for a very long time, everything will be fine.

As for the carrier specific handset, it will remain that way for a very very long time because telecommunication infrastructure cannot be controlled by private companies without government involvement.
Like Smartphones of the current 4G are suffering from the lack of speed!
People don't seem to quite understand what 5G is all about. It's about much bigger things than smartphones and tablets.
But those other things are mostly difficult or Boring things for general public to even scratch the surface, let alone fully understand. As for the lack of speed, even if we can download 10TB data in one second, the speed is not gonna be enough.
I would say prove it, but you can’t at present.
Nor you can prove 5G is harmful. Nobody has a solid explanation of whether 5G is harmful or not, and opinion will be swayed by media and random “professors” for quite a while. Also, smart phone does not even exist a full century yet, which means not enough data to support the claim.
 
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The more interesting aspect of all this is the fact that Qualcomm basically cut off their nose to spite the face as the old saying goes. Their greed and unethical business practices which led to market domination, and was (is) actively being investigated on an antitrust basis in both the US and Europe, directly or indirectly contributed to Intel's inability to compete successfully in the 5G arena.

Remember, the day after Qualcomm thought they won by locking Apple into a long term supply contract Intel folded their 5G tent. Now, several months later that business, and most importantly the associated patents, have been sold to Apple.

Apple is going to get the last laugh at the end of the day.
Why will Apple have the last laugh?
By 2021 Qualcomm will dominate the 5G mobile modem market anyway.

And Intel didn't have the most valuable 5G patents, they are more at the end of the list. You are acting like Apple bought a goose that is laying golden eggs or something.
directly or indirectly contributed to Intel's inability to compete successfully in the 5G arena.
Really? than why were Samsung and Hauwei able to design their own mobile 5G modems when Intel couldn't?
 
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Meh.
Even today, 3G coverage is not yet 100% universal, let alone 4G. 5G will be a money grab by the carriers to charge you more for the same service. Remember the early days of 4G where there are premium fees associated with it? Besides, will these 5G devices be universal and unlocked around the world, or are we going back to carrier specific handsets?

I don’t mind waiting this out. No need to be on the bleeding edge and paying more. I’ll get the 2019 iPhone, and by the time I need to upgrade, 5G then would already be commonplace, requires no extra fees, and universal compatibility (just like 4G is close to now).

Good luck with you guys being the beta testers for 5G (and paying for it).
And you will be basically paying the same amount as those early 5G users you are trying to laugh at but unlike them you will have 0 access to 5G network in any way.
Also even if a phone is 5G capable it can also work on 4G only if users what better battery life(although right now we don't know if 5G really has such a negative impact on battery life anyway).

And just like you, these early 5G adopters will be able to upgrade as well, to a newer, faster and more efficient 5G phone.
From a connectivity stand point there's 0 advantages in considering the top 2019 iphones.
 

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And you will be basically paying the same amount as those early 5G users you are trying to laugh at but unlike them you will have 0 access to 5G network in any way.
Also even if a phone is 5G capable it can also work on 4G only if users what better battery life(although right now we don't know if 5G really has such a negative impact on battery life anyway).

And just like you, these early 5G adopters will be able to upgrade as well, to a newer, faster and more efficient 5G phone.
From a connectivity stand point there's 0 advantages in considering the top 2019 iphones.
Mark my words, carriers will charge you extra for you to be on that 5G connection. That exactly what happened in the early days of 4G, plus the spotty coverage (5G will be worse).

And why would you pay extra for 5G and then use 4G anyway?
Anyway, doesn't matter. Go ahead pay more and beta test those 5G phones for me will ya. I'll get mine when it's mainstream and cheap.
 
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Mark my words, carriers will charge you extra for you to be on that 5G connection. That exactly what happened in the early days of 4G, plus the spotty coverage (5G will be worse).
Really? I see that 5G plans have similar prices to the 4G plans they replaced.
From what I see with most carriers, their top 4G plans of 2018 turned into 5G plans.

And why would you pay extra for 5G and then use 4G anyway?
You are not paying extra, that was my point.
The top 2019 iphone will have similar prices compared to 5G phones anyway.
Anyway, doesn't matter. Go ahead pay more and beta test those 5G phones for me will ya. I'll get mine when it's mainstream and cheap.
Again you are not paying more.
 
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Mark my words, carriers will charge you extra for you to be on that 5G connection. That exactly what happened in the early days of 4G, plus the spotty coverage (5G will be worse).

And why would you pay extra for 5G and then use 4G anyway?
Anyway, doesn't matter. Go ahead pay more and beta test those 5G phones for me will ya. I'll get mine when it's mainstream and cheap.
Thank God here in the UK we have super competition on carrier pricing . I really feel for you guys I only pay £15 that about 19 us dollars a month for unlimited 4g/5g unlimited minutes and text.
 

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Because you want them to be, what, triangles? :shrug:
I get what you are saying, but yes, in general AVERAGE buyer, not the 0,1%, that follows industry news and mobile trends, are just bored from seeing the same thing again and again from Apple in terms of iPhones. As the years of the same thing goes by, heck, why not try something else, just to freshen up daily life. Just for fun. Not that iOS or iPhones are bad, it’s just stale and boring. For AVERAGE person!!That is majority of buyers!! Not the guy, that can quote camera focus specs and differences between iPhone X and XS chip architecture.
 

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Maybe Apple should skip releasing 2019 models since they'll push the 5G models out in 7 months after 2019 models release. Just like what Tim Apple did with iPad 3 and 4. iPad 3 only supported 3G at that time and about less than 9 months iPad 4 came out exactly the same spec. Only different was 4G.
 

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I get what you are saying, but yes, in general AVERAGE buyer, not the 0,1%, that follows industry news and mobile trends, are just bored from seeing the same thing again and again from Apple in terms of iPhones. As the years of the same thing goes by, heck, why not try something else, just to freshen up daily life. Just for fun. Not that iOS or iPhones are bad, it’s just stale and boring. For AVERAGE person!!That is majority of buyers!! Not the guy, that can quote camera focus specs and differences between iPhone X and XS chip architecture.
You are giving average user way too much credit. More people will just see the price and turn around. Simple. They keep their exiting older iPhone longer and longer, inherently seeing the exact same design everyday.
The people who claims iPhone design are boring ARE those who cares about tech trend and tech news and want a refreshed feeling.
Not to mention an awkward new design for the same of freshness won’t help anybody but a small group, let alone manufacturing issues and quality issues, which costs Apple more.
 

pika2000

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I get what you are saying, but yes, in general AVERAGE buyer, not the 0,1%, that follows industry news and mobile trends, are just bored from seeing the same thing again and again from Apple in terms of iPhones. As the years of the same thing goes by, heck, why not try something else, just to freshen up daily life. Just for fun. Not that iOS or iPhones are bad, it’s just stale and boring. For AVERAGE person!!That is majority of buyers!! Not the guy, that can quote camera focus specs and differences between iPhone X and XS chip architecture.
Err, false. The average person don't want to relearn new things when they buy a new utility like a phone. This is actually Apple's strength. It just happens that the iPhone 6/6s/7 is still usable for most people. People are not buying iPhones because it's boring, they don't buy new iPhones because their old ones are still fine. This year, expect quite a boost in sales as iPhone 6/6s users are probably looking for an upgrade.

The only ones buying new phones and expecting it to change every year are the nerds, and unfortunately they are the majority in the youtube, thus it seems that they are representing majority of the consumers, while in reality, it's now.
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Maybe Apple should skip releasing 2019 models since they'll push the 5G models out in 7 months after 2019 models release. Just like what Tim Apple did with iPad 3 and 4. iPad 3 only supported 3G at that time and about less than 9 months iPad 4 came out exactly the same spec. Only different was 4G.
That actually doesn't sound like a bad idea. Drop the prices of the current lineup by $100-$200 across the board, say merry early christmas, and call it a day, and people will still buy iPhones. But that's not what wall street would want to see, and a tech company that is as public and front running like Apple, they would have to keep the yearly iPhone refresh.
 
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