Kuo: Apple AR Headset Coming in Late 2022 With Mac-Level Computing Power

[DreamPod]

I define 'a lot of people' as the niche I described and very few people beyond that.

Nobody will be 'replacing' monitors for a very very very long time, if ever, not even this niche. Just trying to have a sip of drink or a snack on your desk while using VR headset is a stupid thing to imagine let alone do.

Sure, but this one has cameras that let you see what you are doing while wearing it. Heck, the Quest has a feature where you double-tap the side and suddenly you can see the room around you through its cameras, albeit in black and white and low resolution. The Quest problem is it’s covering your face, but a thin and light headset can fix that to make it easy to take drinks.

Take the NReal Light AR headset getting released in the US this week, for example. It looks and wears like a pair of thick sunglasses, and can project up to three Android apps on virtual screens floating in your room. If you could do your work with Android apps (like Google‘s office apps or maybe a Remote Desktop app), there you go, comfortable, doesn’t look too goofy, and you can do anything at your desk like drink or snack that you normally would do.

I have a combo VR/AR headset using cameras (Varjo XR-3)and I *have* done my work in it. I didn’t drink or snack, but I don’t really do that while actually getting work done (need both hands to type). No, I didn’t wear it out on the streets, but nobody is saying that’s going to happen with combo VR/AR devices. You can still use them at home and in the office.

Ive also participated in work Zoom calls in VR on the Quest, mainly as a goof but it worked well - the others saw my avatar moving and looking around, and I saw them in virtual screens. If everyone was in shared VR, it would feel more natural than a Zoom call.

 

[metapunk2077fail]

Sure, but this one has cameras that let you see what you are doing while wearing it. Heck, the Quest has a feature where you double-tap the side and suddenly you can see the room around you through its cameras, albeit in black and white and low resolution. The Quest problem is it’s covering your face, but a thin and light headset can fix that to make it easy to take drinks.

You'll still look and feel like a dork and the majority of people see no use paying $1000 for something that makes them feel like a dork.

Ive also participated in work Zoom calls in VR on the Quest, mainly as a goof but it worked well - the others saw my avatar moving and looking around, and I saw them in virtual screens. If everyone was in shared VR, it would feel more natural than a Zoom call.

But you can just do normal video conferencing and white boarding without it, doesn't look dorky, it doesn't cost anything extra and doesn't consume dozens of watts of GPU.

 

[Rocketmandlgc]

Ya, forcing you to wear headphones or always take calls on speakerphone seems like a big obstacle to iPhone replacement. Not to mention a lot of people don't enjoy wearing glasses (I have contacts for a reason).

Decades from now when we have AR contacts maybe I'll consider it.

Once upon a time they made someone walk in front of your car with a red flag because they were afraid of the tech. And top BBC execs famously said that TV would never catch on because “pictures don’t bend round wall”

Now we drive at 100+ mph and take the “pictures with us wherever we go.

The past is dead. Long live the future

 

[james2538]

Once upon a time they made someone walk in front of your car with a red flag because they were afraid of the tech. And top BBC execs famously said that TV would never catch on because “pictures don’t bend round wall”

Now we drive at 100+ mph and take the “pictures with us wherever we go.

The past is dead. Long live the future

Both things you described made those activities more convenient.

Wearing glasses when I don't need to is less convenient.

 

[EntropyQ3]

You'll still look and feel like a dork and the majority of people see no use paying $1000 for something that makes them feel like a dork.


But you can just do normal video conferencing and white boarding without it, doesn't look dorky, it doesn't cost anything extra and doesn't consume dozens of watts of GPU.

You seem convinced that others are very worried about looking dorky.
Customs change. Values change. Expectations change. If enough people do something, it isn't odd anymore.
Wearing glasses has had a lot of different values attached to it, over time and in different parts the world, and still does.
What "looks dorky" is entirely local to subculture and time period. Ergo - it's not something to care much about.

 

[Unregistered 4U]

You seem convinced that others are very worried about looking dorky.
Customs change. Values change. Expectations change. If enough people do something, it isn't odd anymore.
Wearing glasses has had a lot of different values attached to it, over time and in different parts the world, and still does.
What "looks dorky" is entirely local to subculture and time period. Ergo - it's not something to care much about.

And, don’t forget previously dorky bluetooth headsets that are everywhere now

 

[metapunk2077fail]

You seem convinced that others are very worried about looking dorky.
Customs change. Values change. Expectations change.

Physiology doesn't change. In fact the young generation who were born with nothing but 3D gaming and social media are really getting into retro gaming and they love mechanical keyboards even more than Gen X. They're the ones fighting against stupid **** like NFTs.

They are the ones who started the deletefacebook hashtag while the boomers are still on that platform.

On social media the teenagers/gen Y are promoting cooking videos and physical arts and crafts. It's very popular for them to discover and share real physical skills.

They are savvy and they don't want to be some corporate puppet in corporate virtual landscapes ruled by virtual millionaires owning all the virtual lands.

If corporations and crypto people think they can **** with these kids they are going to find out.

 

[Unregistered 4U]

On social media the teenagers/gen Y are promoting cooking videos and physical arts and crafts. It's very popular for them to discover and share real physical skills.

All it will take is ONE of their friends sharing their amazing physical accomplishment via AR/VR and they’ll all be on the same “GOTTA SHARE THE MOST” bandwagon as the rest of them. You’ve actually defined the glide path for the technology… instead of focusing on virtual worlds or displaying 3d models in a workspace, the market leader will be the one that simply makes the resulting social media engagement the most compelling.

For example, release a line of cookware/dishes that the glasses would recognize and help step someone through all the actions required to make a cool new dish (including how to set everything out, timers/reminders at particular stages and visualizations of what goes into which pot when) and THAT company’s going to be ruling the roost.

Coming at it that way, there’s no end to the things a person can get help with… YouTube for AR so to speak. Want to learn to solder? Here’s a head’s up display that will give them a visual indication whether or not they’ve got everything set right even before they start.

 

[metapunk2077fail]

All it will take is ONE of their friends sharing their amazing physical accomplishment via AR/VR and they’ll all be on the same “GOTTA SHARE THE MOST” bandwagon

Er not quite. They've been sharing Oculus fail vids for 6 years. You're making the mistake of believing that people born in a digital bubble never want to break out and don't find it exhausting. This is a new generation very passionate about handicrafts and climate change. They are better read and more internet savvy than Gen X.

They see people of their own generation and older generations being scammy, dumb and irresponsible online and they are pushing back against all the abuses in the digital space.

 

[Unregistered 4U]

This is a new generation very passionate about handicrafts and climate change.

And yet… still sharing on social media? I mean, they didn’t capture, edit, and upload that video onto social media using the shelf they built from reclaimed wood. SO, they still have some skills outside handicrafts and their concern for climate change.

AR/VR doesn’t mean Metaverse, digital real estate, etc. Those things COULD be enabled by that (and there’s more than enough people that will certainly buy into it). But, there’s nothing preventing an enterprising teen from creating an app that will, say, help someone find edible wild greens OR learn how to build an elevated planting box, no virtual currency required.

 

[Jensend]

Er not quite. They've been sharing Oculus fail vids for 6 years. You're making the mistake of believing that people born in a digital bubble never want to break out and don't find it exhausting. This is a new generation very passionate about handicrafts and climate change. They are better read and more internet savvy than Gen X.

They see people of their own generation and older generations being scammy, dumb and irresponsible online and they are pushing back against all the abuses in the digital space.

Weird. While reading your post, a picture of Steve Buscemi holding a skateboard popped into my head.

 

[metapunk2077fail]

Weird. While reading your post, a picture of Steve Buscemi holding a skateboard popped into my head.

I'm sure nobody would mind seeing that.

 

[metapunk2077fail]

And yet… still sharing on social media?

Yeah..so?

 

[Unregistered 4U]

Yeah..so?

If they’re sharing on social media, they’re there to be seen. As a result, they ARE interested in ANYTHING that can make that sharing easier, more dynamic, more impressive than their peers. Any company that provides a solution that can do that with AR/VR will see success with this group.

If they’re NOT on social media, then, no, providing an AR/VR solution that helps them in the sharing of their content wouldn’t attract them at all.

 

[metapunk2077fail]

If they’re sharing on social media, they’re there to be seen.

And criticised and mocked too. Not every share is rainbows and happiness.

You're under the short sighted impression I haven't been crawling the internet to research what people think of this and related subjects. I would not post a word or formed an opinion unless I had looked into it for at least 5 years, which is exactly what I did.

 

[Unregistered 4U]

And criticised and mocked too. Not every share is rainbows and happiness.

You're under the short sighted impression I haven't been crawling the internet to research what people think of this and related subjects. I would not post a word or formed an opinion unless I had looked into it for at least 5 years, which is exactly what I did.

ESPECIALLY to be criticized and mocked, as those are the posts MOST likely to go viral.

I’m not saying you haven’t been crawling the internet, I’m saying, “The kids aren’t interested in all this online stuff, look at all the non-online stuff they’re sharing online.” isn’t the best take on it.

 

[metapunk2077fail]

ESPECIALLY to be criticized and mocked, as those are the posts MOST likely to go viral.

I’m not saying you haven’t been crawling the internet, I’m saying, “The kids aren’t interested in all this online stuff, look at all the non-online stuff they’re sharing online.” isn’t the best take on it.

It's offensive that you put words in quotes that aren't mine or condensed a small part of this thread into that.

I said clearly through the thread VR will be niche and that some people have outlandish and unrealistic expectations for it, and that AR will be popular. That's all. I no longer want to speak to someone like you who just wants to feed their ego and twist another person's words.

 

[Unregistered 4U]

It's offensive that you put words in quotes that aren't mine or condensed a small part of this thread into that.

Words being in quotes doesn’t mean they’re yours. In English, that’s how quotation marks are used.

Each of a set of punctuation marks is used either to mark the beginning and end of a title or quoted passage, or to indicate that a word or phrase is regarded as slang or jargon or is being discussed rather than used within the sentence.

“Apples are a truly delicious snack,” for example, is ALSO not your words. It’s just within quotes.

And, what I’m saying is that you, at least to me, appear to have hit upon something that I wouldn’t have thought about as a use case for AR that would be able to have a grass roots uptake. For folks that have already spent sizable sums on cameras, lights, microphones, reflectors and other things in order to skillfully share their vision, any company that ties into this desire, this NEED to share the real world of others in such a way that makes their content stand out is bound to see success with this crowd. The key being that AR isn’t an entirely separate virtual world, it’s augmentation of the reality they already love to share in. Being able to easily add some sparkle on top of that in a way that gets their content shared more will raise the bar and drive others to dive in as well.