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Sure. Companies like Samsung, Volkswagen, Sony and ikea do the same.

And the exact same rational to be applied to Samsung, VW, Sony and IKEA.

His buddies?

No it doesnt because tariffs are a tax.
irrespective of getting made in America or not things will go up in price because of these tariffs because the companies will have to pay it & then they will put their prices up so it doesn’t come out of their profits

yes his rich American friends who are CEO’s & investors in said companies will make more money as a consequence of these tariffs

Apple as a company will have to pay the extra tariff cost & as a consequence of that then your iPhone will go up in price because the money has to come from somewhere to pay for it.
 
Agent Orange wants all USA folks (except his buddies and family) to live like the folks outside of the moat of the castle in the Middle Ages. He has blown away our education system, medical system and others so that masses will become illiterate again and die like flies from illnesses that have long been dormant due to vaccinations.

Walmart and their ilk have been buying cheap stuff from China that they have made tremendous profits from but at least the poorer folks had access to food, basic services, clothing etc. Add 45% to these cheap goods and the poorer folks are not getting a pay raise so their ability to afford even the Walmart class stuff will be strained.

The billionaire are lining up to buy the repossessed homes as families can no longer afford the mortgage payments. The rents will be even higher.....

Nikita Kruschev said the USA will destroy itself from within in the 1950s. With help and guidance from Putin, Agent orange will get the job done
 
So where is that money coming from to pay for it?
I will give you a clue
It stats with a P

What's your point? Consumers will pay.

That was a reply to someone saying the tariffs will mean more money for Apple. At best, it's a wash for them. More likely, they will lose, because there will be reduced sales or longer upgrade periods because of the increased price.
 
Apple could also offer goodwill by reducing prices on hardware now. It’s all well and good to throw the word goodwill around, I don’t expect it from any company selling me a product.
yes they can absorb these additional costs
However there is not a chance that it will happen because it will come out of their profits
 
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What's your point? Consumers will pay.

That was a reply to someone saying the tariffs will mean more money for Apple.
Exactly it’s a fantasy to think that applying tariffs to other countries will benefit American citizens by making the prices they pay cheaper
 
irrespective of getting made in America or not things will go up in price because of these tariffs because the companies will have to pay it & then they will put their prices up so it doesn’t come out of their profits
I do not know how you can know how these American companies will respond. You cannot.
yes his rich American friends who are CEO’s & investors in said companies will make more money as a consequence of these tariffs
You believe companies make money as their products are taxed? Interesting. Okay for the sake of argument it’s true. Let them have at it andnletnthebeichbamerican friends profit handsomely. It’s above my pay grade to fix the worlds problems.
Apple as a company will have to pay the extra tariff cost & as a consequence of that then your iPhone will go up in price because the money has to come from somewhere to pay for it.
How much will the iPhone go up? One cent, two cents, 10 cents?
 
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Never seen a U-Haul following a hearse. None of theses ill-gotten gains will go to the after life of the folks that caused this event. Their unscrupulous friends and kin will make sure the masses are in every lasting servitude as they enjoy their ill gotten gains.

Look at the Oligarchs in Russia. Then look at their average citizen. Which life style will the beguiled masses in the USA reap for their vote choice? It will not be super cars and big yachts.
 
I do not know how you can know how these American companies will respond. You cannot.

You believe companies make money as their products are taxed? Interesting. Okay for the sake of argument it’s true. Let them have at it andnletnthebeichbamerican friends profit handsomely. It’s above my pay grade to fix the worlds problems.

How much will the iPhone go up? One cent, two cents, 10 cents?

Rough math, since since the 16 Pro has a 46% profit margin, that means it costs ~$540 to Apple. China tariffs are now at 54%, so 540*1.54=831.6, and 831-540=$291

If everything is passed onto consumers, the base Pro will now be $292 higher, but lets round up for Apple's sake, and make $1300 for the base Pro model iPhone.
 
Likely Apple will absorb the costs in the short term and raise prices with the next upgrade cycle.
Agreed. No way they can expect to pass along a 40% price increase in this market. They’ll eat it this year, play themselves up to be the great savior and hope the 🍊🤡 blinks.
 
Rough math, since since the 16 Pro has a 46% profit margin, that means it costs ~$540 to Apple. China tariffs are now at 54%, so 540*1.54=831.6, and 831-540=$291

If everything is passed onto consumers, the base Pro will now be $292 higher, but lets round up for Apple's sake, and make $1300 for the base Pro model iPhone.
Have to question your premise that the 46% increase is applied to apples cost & not the sale price… is that correct?

I honestly don’t know so I’m asking..
 
Have to question your premise that the 46% increase is applied to apples cost & not the sale price… is that correct?

I honestly don’t know so I’m asking..

Tariffs are paid by the companies so they will pay on their cost to import, not the retail cost to consumers. That markup happens after the product is imported.
 
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Rough math, since since the 16 Pro has a 46% profit margin, that means it costs ~$540 to Apple. China tariffs are now at 54%, so 540*1.54=831.6, and 831-540=$291

If everything is passed onto consumers, the base Pro will now be $292 higher, but lets round up for Apple's sake, and make $1300 for the base Pro model iPhone.
Okay, nice. $292 is the guess. We’ll see.
 
I do not know how you can know how these American companies will respond. You cannot.

You believe companies make money as their products are taxed? Interesting. Okay for the sake of argument it’s true. Let them have at it andnletnthebeichbamerican friends profit handsomely. It’s above my pay grade to fix the worlds problems.

How much will the iPhone go up? One cent, two cents, 10 cents?
I just explained to you that when companies are faced with extra costs that will come out of profits then as a consequence of that they will raise prices so their profits aren’t affected.

It not a world problem it’s a USA problem created by the new guy inflicting tariff increases on the world

Well you work it out considering about 95% of Apple products are made in china so that’s some amount of money they will have to pay out
 
This is fundamentally a good thing, nobody against it has a compelling argument I've read so far of why they're against it, from the American perspective of course. If the only reason you can buy goods is because of slave labor, so that Nike can sell a shoe for $500 that is made for $1 in BOM, then I don't care their profits are going down.

If your argument is that iPhones can only be made in China or else it'd cost $10,000 for one, okay explain to me why? Oh it's because of slave labor and that 90% of manufacturing has been moved to China since the 90s, and ramped up even more in the 2000s so that companies can juice out even more profit. So with tariffs there are two things that will happen, either they get a maybe ~20% price increase as they're tariffed coming in (Apple isn't going to add the entire tariff cost immediately), or they get a hypothetical doubling in cost if they're made in the USA. Ok, now imagine what the cost would be if the manufacturing line was in the US 10 years after establishment? Or even 50% of the line? You think someone in 1950 was lamenting about how expensive their toaster (an old technology at this point) was because it wasn't manufactured by slave labor? Of course not, because the manufacturing was probably done the next town over.

I actually buy things in hobbies that are USA made, like pocket knives (Spyderco, Benchmade) and guitars (Gibson, Fender). Not only is there a perception that USA made items are higher in quality (which of course isn't true, Chinese manufacturing is of course state of the art nowadays), but the argument is that the hypothetical higher price on items will stop people from buying them, even if they're luxury goods, is wrong. This doesn't stop people AT ALL. These things still sell hand over fist even compared to their secondary foreign manufactured lines within the same company, that are made in China, Mexico, Indonesia, Japan simply BECAUSE they are made in the US.

If the argument is that people will experience layoffs after this when companies say they'll be less profitable which will definitely happen, they're STILL doing that despite having record profits and having to squeeze out even more profit. Only 50% of people even own stock, and only maybe 1% own enough that makes it even life changing enough if it goes up and down, and they're all institutional players. Again, if someone is saying the decrease in stock prices gives them less capital to hire people and there will be layoffs, they're still doing that despite having record profits and all time highs in any given period. IBM and Amazon are laying off and outsourcing to India still today, even though they're richer than ever, and so is every single company.

This doesn't even take into account the actual geopolitics of a kinetic war. China makes like what 90% of all steel on earth now? You know how screwed the entire western hemisphere would be if the next week Xi Jinping just decides to invade Taiwan? It would be COVID level depression x10 or even x50. Forcing companies to ramp up domestic manufacturing in literally every country is a good idea.

I haven't read a good argument other than the repeated slop "my iPhone will be $200 to $500 more expensive". Good news Bob, the iphone actually only changes maybe every 5 years so you don't have to buy one this year, and now you won't be abusing Chinese, Vietnamese, and Bangladeshi slaves now either.
 
I just explained to you that when companies are faced with extra costs that will come out of profits then as a consequence of that they will raise prices so their profits aren’t affected.

It not a world problem it’s a USA problem created by the new guy inflicting tariff increases on the world

Well you work it out considering about 95% of Apple products are made in china so that’s some amount of money they will have to pay out
No. It’s a company REFUSING to cut their profit margins.
 
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Apple can boost iPhone production in India. Kuo said if India can secure tariff exemptions through new trading agreements with the U.S., and Apple boosts its iPhone production capacity there to over 30% of its global supply, the negative impact on gross margins could shrink to just 1% to 3%.

This assumes that the U.S. can get trade exceptions with India.

The same thing would happen if the U.S. got trade exceptions with China.
 
And the fact that he wants a possible third term. Hellllll no. That would put him in charge until January 20, 2033.
You do realize how voting works and how many terms one can serve right? How is it a bad thing for wanting manufacturing to be brought back to the US? I’ll admit, this is an Apple dedicated website, and no matter the greater idea, Apple sheep only care for Apple. Praise be to the almighty Tim!
 
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You do realize how voting works and how many terms one can serve right? How is it a bad thing for wanting manufacturing to be brought back to the US? I’ll admit, this is an Apple dedicated website, and no matter the greater idea, Apple sheep only care for Apple. Praise be to the almighty Tim!

There is nothing wrong with wanting manufacturing to come back, I want that too. There is everything wrong on how the president is going about it.
 
I just explained to you that when companies are faced with extra costs that will come out of profits then as a consequence of that they will raise prices so their profits aren’t affected.
I just explained to you, you can promulgate opinions until the cows come home but you don’t know if companies will absorb the tariff, pass the tariff along or a combination of both.
It not a world problem it’s a USA problem created by the new guy inflicting tariff increases on the world
Things needed to be shaken up so I hope the ends justify the means. But the point is the US is not the only country outsourcing manufacturer.
Well you work it out considering about 95% of Apple products are made in china so that’s some amount of money they will have to pay out
Well depending on who is paying the tariff.
 
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