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I really hope Apple forgets this, and lets people who make cars, make cars...

And no, don't compare it to when Apple entered the phone market.
Yeah, I agree. Honestly, I think if Apple did make a car, it would have a large crowd who'd avoid in on principle. The brand has too many negative connotations associated with it. (As much as most of us are fans of their computer products and devices -- I think you've got to look at the big picture. An Apple branded vehicle wouldn't come across as something a lot of your blue collar workers would want to be driving around. It wouldn't be something "economy minded" people would take a serious look at either, since Apple is perceived as more of an upscale product.)

But that's the big "if" anyway. As Elon Musk even said one time of Tesla; it was easier building rockets than building cars. So much involvement with government regulations and agencies, and the huge challenges of building the assembly process from the ground up to mass produce them, etc. etc. It's a really big undertaking and I don't see how it makes sense for Apple to plow money into it? If anything, let them expand on "CarPlay" and build a nice UI that other auto makers can use for their whole dashboard and infotainment center.
 
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I though Apple is only invested in the creation of Automotive SubSystems that can be used by various vehicles, rather then put themselves into the risk or lossy part of being a car manufacturer. Making Cars was never the goal. For a company that has incredible value you want to decrease risk with investments not compete in a industry that has multiple car manufacturers making electric cars that may or not do well. It’s why Apple never considered Tesla in any possible way.
 
I really hope Apple forgets this, and lets people who make cars, make cars...

And no, don't compare it to when Apple entered the phone market.
Apple might be trying to bring a transportation service to market (which might include an actual car). Such a thing is probably a decade away… if they even succeed.
 
I really hope Apple forgets this, and lets people who make cars, make cars...

And no, don't compare it to when Apple entered the phone market.
Like Elon left electric cars to the GM Bolt? Should Apple have left smart phones to Blackberry an Nokia too or computers to IBM and Amdahl? Or how about portable computing to Osborne an tablets to Palm? what about leaving hand held GPSs to Magellan or watches to Bulova and Timex?
 
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This crowd will get it...

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How many of their so-called Apple Car "leaders" RE-built the engine in their first car (by themself) when they were a teenager ?

The answer to that question will tell you everything you need to know about its viability !
 
Level-5 self driving cars are NEVER going to happen.

Please stop the insanity.

There are lots of other ways to make money, don't need to do it with cars.

Maybe start a restaurant or something? You already named yourself after food..
You honestly think that? Because if you visit Chandler, AZ you can actually take a driverless Waymo from Google. Sure it’s kinda fenced in a bit in that city but it’s completely autonomous otherwise. It’s not a stretch to then think that humanity will be able to accomplish this great feat, lol. What a weird comment to make.
The notion that there isn't even a team in place anymore (was dissolved) but that it needs to be re-assembled for them to have a car ready to mass produce in 2025 is...

…a bizarre stretch to make? Yeah. It’s weird that he just assumes that since in the past they had a target of 2025 and then dissolved the team that they’re suddenly going to be putting it back together to reach that goal. What else does he know that he’s holding back? He’s not a dumb guy. Was it just on hiatus to wait for some technology they needed to catch up? Weird.

I really hope Apple forgets this, and lets people who make cars, make cars...

And no, don't compare it to when Apple entered the phone market.
Yeah you really can’t compare it. iPhones are much closer to computers than cars are to anything they make. Sure they want to make cars very computerized but you still need all the mechanical stuff. That being said, it’s not like you have to be a genius to make cars. People build them all the time in garages across the country. But Apple wants to do it well and do it well at scale. That is a whole different ballgame and more challenging for sure. But not beyond their capability, just will take time.

This notion that car makers are some sort of artisan craftsmen who guard ancient secrets is hilarious. You don't have to be Adrian Newey to make a Jetta. For all their faults, Tesla proves that if you hire good engineers and nail the marketing, you can conjure a brand new automaker from nothing and succeed.
Tesla doesn’t have much in the way of marketing beyond launches. They’re notoriously viral because they tend to make good stuff (mostly) that have crazy features that get a lot of coverage. Musk is also an internet troll who gets a lot of attention.
 
Apple will not be manufacturing a car. That is just not going to happen. They aren't going to build assembly plants like Tesla.

Foxcon is building a plan to make cars for Fisker and others. Magna Steyr builds cars for Toyota, BMW, Mercedes and Jaguar.

They have several canned platforms for customization. Apple can take one of those platforms and modify/customize it. They can do their on in car infotainment and ADAS.

Fisker is using Magna for the Ocean.

The only way Apple ever makes a car is with the same model they make phones..... Outsource the manufacturing.
 
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You honestly think that? Because if you visit Chandler, AZ you can actually take a driverless Waymo from Google. Sure it’s kinda fenced in a bit in that city but it’s completely autonomous otherwise. It’s not a stretch to then think that humanity will be able to accomplish this great feat, lol. What a weird comment to make.

Why would you assume driving in ideal conditions means driving in all conditions?

All the problems are in the details.
 
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Maybe Apple is cooking up something truly revolutionary. But at this point, I think Apple should acquire Lucid or Rivian to backfill missing pieces. It will take a miracle to catch up to Tesla otherwise.
 
Repairability of any car is a MUST. And no glue to hold the wheels on. ?
 


Apple's team of employees working on the company's long-rumored electric vehicle has "been dissolved for some time," and must be reorganized soon in order for mass production of the vehicle to begin by 2025, analyst Ming-Chi Kuo said in a tweet today.

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Apple's electric vehicle plans have reportedly faced numerous setbacks since the project was approved in 2014, including several leadership changes. In November 2021, Bloomberg's Mark Gurman reported that Apple was accelerating work on the project and aiming for an electric vehicle with full self-driving capabilities. Gurman said Apple was targeting a 2025 launch, but the timeframe could be pushed back due to development challenges.


Apple's VP of technology Kevin Lynch took over leadership of the electric vehicle project last year, according to Gurman. Known for his work on the Apple Watch, Lynch has been at Apple since 2013, and prior to that he was an executive at Adobe.

Apple Car rumors have been all over the map, but if the team is successfully reorganized, the vehicle could launch in around three years at the earliest.

Article Link: Kuo: Apple Car Team Must Be Reorganized Soon to Meet 2025 Production Goal

Self-driving cars really is about as anti-enviormental as it gets these days in "environmentally conscious cars".

Adding unneeded weight, complexity, and tons of future e-waste to every car just so lazy SOBs can watch clown porn while they fly down the interstate?

Pathetic!

This is the one time where I think we all know Jobs would have a completely different approach, if he steered the company in this direction at all?

Jobs would more likely focus on efficient, small, light, and fun to drive cars. The car would be so fun to drive, that the idea of using any self-driving tech would defeat the purpose of having purchased the car in the first place! And, by adding lightness, and leaving out the additional weight of touch screens and computer systems for self driving, each model would average 50-100mi more range with the same battery capacity as their competition.

And, you can be damn sure that the cars Jobs would have Apple make, wouldn't look as butt-ugly as the majority of EVs out there. If Jobs had Apple build and sell cars, they would be lightweight carbon composite pieces of art.. Car designs that would make you gasp, because they'd be everything retro-futuristic we were promised as kids.. Take your favorite BMW, Ferrari, Alpha, Corvette, Lotus, designs, modernize them...better safety through advanced materials and body/chassis designs, not with tank-like size and weight... Art on wheels.. They sure as Hell wouldn't be just another ugly SUV/CUV piece of junk...


That is, if Jobs had Apple even thinking about making cars in the first damn place...


Sigh.
 
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It looks like they tried that and they were snubbed by everyone. The EV car business is in a state where they are literally giving the cars away and there is little profit. Apple doesn't like that type of business.
I don’t rember Jaguar giving me my I-Pace for free. Wish they had. I don‘t think Porsche, Audi or BMW are giving their cars away either judging by the prices.
 
From the rumours we know they do not have anything yet. They could buy a design off another car manufacturer, which is common among car manufacturers and implement the AI data they generated with their current fleet (I believe)?
 
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