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Steve Jobs' nightmare has turned into reality: the salesmen have taken over the company. Rather than concern themselves with the best experience for their customers we hear stories about cost-savings by removing the charger from the box and now squeezing suppliers, all with a backdrop of ridiculously high-priced phones.

Tim Apple's greatest innovation thus far is the Apple credit card. Bravo!

Nah. This is about creating better technology ecosystems and Apple is often ahead of the curve. The charger is no longer since better options without a brick or redundant bricks are available.
 
Nah. This is about creating better technology ecosystems and Apple is often ahead of the curve. The charger is no longer since better options without a brick or redundant bricks are available.

Nah this is Apple trying to maintain its profit margins. It has nothing to do with the environment or other crap suddenly. Lightning has been out long enough it just so happens the year they need to add expensive 5G they scrap headphones and the brick....its not a coinkidink!

I dont personally need another brick, but here are $500 5G OLED phones that come with fast chargers. Dont let Apple fool you. It's all about profits.
 
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Are any consumers actually excited about 5G? Seems like the only people who care are cellular network executives. I love to have the latest tech, but have zero desire for a 5G phone and am really sick of hearing about it. Hopefully this ridiculous race to 5G won’t compromise the rest of the iPhone.
Apple maybe moving to Battery integrated right into/soldered onto the board - saving packaging, smaller size, fewer connections and wiring.
 
2g to 3g was a tangible difference. Ability to take calls and use data at the same time

faux g
HSPA was faster than 3g

LTE faster than faux g

but network congestion is a bigger problem than theoretical speed limits at this point

it seems a rather inorganic push

what on earth are people doing on their phones that necessitates the “strong demand” for 5G?
It's not what you do or don't do on your phone driving 5G. It's stuff like autonomous cars, AI, and VR that choke on 4G/LTE. Plus yes, the manufacturers want that whole new infrastructure build opportunity. Bottom line stuff.
 
I’m blown away that anyone thinks that finding a more efficient, less expensive way to produce something is a bad thing.
 
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Kuo says rigid-flex PCBs are currently used for the battery controller. For iPhone 12, he expects Apple to use flexible PCBs with reduced surface area along with fewer layers. This will help reduce costs by 40-50%. Rigid-flex PCBs are the gold standard for electronics. They are the most expensive type of PCB and they are the most efficient (in terms of packaging and mounting components) and reliability. Flexible PCBs are cheaper to produce as they have a simpler manufacturing process.
So that means Apple will compromise on quality in iPhone 12.
 
Steve Jobs' nightmare has turned into reality: the salesmen have taken over the company. Rather than concern themselves with the best experience for their customers we hear stories about cost-savings by removing the charger from the box and now squeezing suppliers, all with a backdrop of ridiculously high-priced phones.

Revisionist Steve Jobs cultism . First, Jobs comment was largely directed at Xerox salesmen only being fixated on the product they had ( copiers and toners) rather than new products and new areas they could take advantage of. The act of selling was more important that the products (making something). Apple has a billion dollars business past Mac in iPods , iPhones , iPads , services ( Music , video , apps ) , watches .... Apple perhaps has a billion dollar boondoggle going in with "Apple car" but most of the future bets have paid off.

Xerox squandered the early insights their R&D labs had into the personal computer market. Apple really hasn't squandered much. Although they also don't have a bleeding edge R&D center like Xerox PARC either.

Second, Jobs directly oversaw the outsourcing of Apple product production off to very low cost China. The notion that he didn't have an eye toward profits is blown by his other comment around the "salesmen vs product people "

"If I were running Apple, I would milk the Macintosh for all it's worth – and get busy on the next great thing. The PC wars are over. Done. Microsoft won a long time ago."

Steve Jobs was absolutely just fine with extracting profit margins from mature products. That wasn't his absolutely overriding sole focus, but to imply here wouldn't have signed off on heavily leaning on a component supplier to get higher margins is a farce. He heavily signed off on that tactic multiple times.

Steve Jobs was founding father of the the "Apple Tax" on Apple products.


Tim Apple's greatest innovation thus far is the Apple credit card. Bravo!

Apple Watch. iPad Pro , FaceID , etc. Steve Jobs was not the sole source of innovation at Apple. Not even close.
 
whatever efficiency 5nm brings, 5g battery draw is gonna rekt that battery life 😂

That's actually a very good point. The current crop of Qualcomm 5G modems released a year ago in some Android devices have shown that they are power hungry when connected to 5G. I would be interested to know if Qualcomm has improved on this in the upcoming iPhone.
 
Nice of you to grab details from a July rumor article but we're talking about this article which doesn't talk about the battery pouch at all.

You're confusing the battery "pouch" with the battery "board". You still don't understand, really.

And also...those leaks are rumors which it can very much be a "lie".

Hahaha let her/him go away, she/he clearly doesnt understand...
 
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I’m all for 5G and new tech, but if that article states an additional $200 for a 5G modem only, I think it’s better spent elsewhere for this year.

Kuo estimates 5G will cost Apple $75-$135 per device, depending if the model includes mmWave.

Apple has a very high margin on the iPhone 11 series because the component cost is low compared other manufacturers. So adding 5G is just taking some of the margin back down reasonable levels.

For comparison, the camera module on iPhone 11 Pro is estimated to cost $73.50. I don't think Apple needs to spend more on the camera this year.
 
Are any consumers actually excited about 5G? Seems like the only people who care are cellular network executives. I love to have the latest tech, but have zero desire for a 5G phone and am really sick of hearing about it. Hopefully this ridiculous race to 5G won’t compromise the rest of the iPhone.
I have a 5G capable phone. I unfortunately don’t have a 5G capable service in my area, so it’s a meaningless upgrade for me. But for the few people who do have the service, they do think it’s an improvement. So in time, it will be worthwhile. But right now it is indeed an expensive compromise that is also ultimately pointless except for spec chasing.
 
I think this might be a cut corners year and it’s pretty much why I am not interested in being in the early adopter group for the iPhone 12.

Just like Intel, Microsoft and others stretching out the current design of their products and refining it over a period of time, the iPhone 12 like the iPhone 6 will be with us for a while. So, I’ll likely hop on around 2023 when 5G is more pervasive, cheaper, kinks have been worked out and hopefully not an added cost.

I don’t expect that the product iphone 12 will change other than become price adjusted in following years.
 
You know, given how many apple fanbois we have, I have full confidence that even a similar explosive issue like Samsung galaxy S7 happens on Apple, Apple will still be fine either way. They are seemingly too big to fail right now.

They might have just had a very good run with very good devices in the eye of the public. Fanboys as in people who like your product don’t fall from the sky.
 
I can't help but wonder what percent of cell phone users are satisfied with 4G speeds and DO NOT want to pay extra or get cut corners for capabilities with little to no real benefit

I can give a rats ass for speeds greater than 10 x 2 - on my phone...
 
It's August. Even though Apple has pushed the availability date somewhat, the battery design has no doubt been locked down for months already.

If this is true at all, it's probably for the 2021 model.
 
MacRumors editors can’t read Chinese, so they use Google Translate. As a result, the translation is terrible. They should really hire someone who can translate properly.

Kuo says rigid-flex PCBs are currently used for the battery controller. For iPhone 12, he expects Apple to use flexible PCBs with reduced surface area along with fewer layers. This will help reduce costs by 40-50%. Rigid-flex PCBs are the gold standard for electronics. They are the most expensive type of PCB and they are the most efficient (in terms of packaging and mounting components) and reliability. Flexible PCBs are cheaper to produce as they have a simpler manufacturing process.

Ultimately, this represents a very small cost savings for Apple but every dollar counts given the high cost of 5G components and design.

For people asking, “Why should I care?” You shouldn’t. You’re not Kuo’s audience. Kuo is an analyst working for a brokerage company. He’s wrote this note to let people know which company to invest stocks in (the ones making PCBs).
Awesome, thanks for that. You should make an offer to MacRumors to translate for them!
 
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