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A return to "PowerMac/PowerBook" is too much to ask. We're stuck with this eternally clunky "MacBookPro". Ugh

So don't use "Power" and just use "iBook" - iBook and iBook Pro... Of course, that would mean the device would need to close and have a hinge. Is that a long term given?
 
Bring on the Apple Silicons machines... Hopefully the developers (Adobe, nudge, nudge) will recompile all their Mac apps to be optimized for Apple Silicon machines, but I doubt Adobe will.

Lol. Yep. They’ll rush to do this for few arm Mac buyers. I look for it to be a platform for limited iOS apps. And a few of apples converted ones. An App Store will be the only way to load software.

What native 3rd party apps they’re are will slim pickings and limited versions at best.

For those wanting the future get an intel Mac. An arm Mac is a gimped Mac that may or may not pan out. And will take years even if it does.
 
Guys, let me ask you this... Where does this leave the current Mac Pro? I just bought the base model Mac Pro 2019 ( 8 Core Xeon ) in January!

Do you think the Apple Silicon Macs will be faster than the Mac Pro 2019? :rolleyes:
 
I really want the 14 inch model with LED screen and boosted gpu. I know it’s coming! My only concern is that knowing Apple it will cost an ARM and a leg.

Of course it will. Moving away from intel is much more expensive for Apple. Not cheaper.
 
If they release the 13" first and its better than the 16" it will eat higher end sales.

Mmm... I reckon that people who buy the 16 and people who buy a 13 are by and large a different user market. In particular people who buy a 16 are very unlikely to buy a 13 because one of the fundamental reasons for buying the 16 is the screen real estate. You might get some people who mainly use the computer to drive a external screen but that has to be niche.
 
I don't regret my 13" MBP purchase this year at all. I'm thinking this ARM transition is going to be a roller coaster ride of what machine to buy and at what time to get the best value until the transition is done. It's going to be an interesting - and entertaining - period.
 
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Mmm... I reckon that people who buy the 16 and people who buy a 13 are by and large a different user market. In particular people who buy a 16 are very unlikely to buy a 13 because one of the fundamental reasons for buying the 16 is the screen real estate. You might get some people who mainly use the computer to drive a external screen but that has to be niche.

I own both. I use the 13" for surfing while watching TV, but also for making audio recordings for professional classes because it fits better in my sound booth. I use the 16" for development because as you suggest, there is more screen real estate.
 
That was because they always needed to wait to Intel for the release of their chips. Now they can have a more consistent release schedule.

Nope, your argument doesn’t fit with Mac Pro, Mac mini, iMac Pro and iMac.
They simply don’t care desktop market and it’s not only the cpus but also the GPUs. Vega is still the top tier choice for desktop Macs. A 3 year old gpus with premium price... There are people begging for rdna1 and those are still a year old cards now.

Still using a decade old design on iMac side is simply pathetic. Apple is huge. Miniscule PC vendors updates their laptops every year with cutting edge technology and most of the time they come up with a redesign. Tim’s Apple simply rip people off over the same design.
 
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Gotta love that not only is it not sensible to buy the current and recently released 2020 13" MacBook Pros (one's potential need for Intel-specific features aside), it's ALSO not sensible to buy its imminently arriving Apple Silicon (ARM-based) successor because within the next year, THAT Mac is getting a totally redesigned (and likely faster) 14.1" MacBook Pro successor!

The only Mac laptop that seems to be a safe buy (in terms of it not getting a refresh with a short shelf-life) seems to be the 16" MacBook Pro! What silly times we're living in!
 
Mmm... I reckon that people who buy the 16 and people who buy a 13 are by and large a different user market. In particular people who buy a 16 are very unlikely to buy a 13 because one of the fundamental reasons for buying the 16 is the screen real estate. You might get some people who mainly use the computer to drive a external screen but that has to be niche.

Except if you bring the performance of the 13" in line or above the 16", is that extra 3" of screen worth £1000+? Sure there are people who will say yes, but they are reasonably high earners. Many, many people will say no especially since the smaller unit gives you greater portability and for that £1000 you could put a display in your home office and one in your office office and still have some change to go the pub with.

Nope, your argument doesn’t fit with Mac Pro, Mac mini, iMac Pro and iMac.
They simply don’t care desktop market and it’s not only the cpus but also the GPUs. Vega is still the top tier choice for desktop Macs. A 3 year old gpus with premium price... There are people begging for rdna1 and those are still a year old cards now.
Apple has to test and reevaluate any time they change a GPU in the iMac. Test the performance, the thermals, compatibility and stability with the other hardware, drivers and driver combinations. Its work and more importantly risk to make such changes. They certainly could review these things more often by changing their processes a bit but they will never be like Dell and HP changing their lineups every five minutes.

Still using a decade old design on iMac side is simply pathetic. Apple is huge. Miniscule PC vendors updates their laptops every year with cuuting edge technology and most of the time they come up with a redesign. Tim’s Apple simply rip people off over the same design.

Design doesn't need to be changed for the sake of change. Thats what other PC companies do and even people who love a particular model of Lenovo will typically buy something different when they replace it from another manufacturer. Apple iterates its designs as technology allows improvements but there are many classic design examples of everyday objects that are much more than 10 years old that are still popular today. Declaring such a practice pathetic is strange to be honest. I am sure Apple would rather you think of your iMac as more like a piece of designer furniture with the difference being that its functionality is relatively diminished as it ages, unlike a chair or a rug.

Gotta love that not only is it not sensible to buy the current and recently released 2020 13" MacBook Pros (one's potential need for Intel-specific features aside), it's ALSO not sensible to buy its imminently arriving Apple Silicon (ARM-based) successor because within the next year, THAT Mac is getting a totally redesigned (and likely faster) 14.1" MacBook Pro successor!

The only Mac laptop that seems to be a safe buy (in terms of it not getting a refresh with a short shelf-life) seems to be the 16" MacBook Pro! What silly times we're living in!

If you take everything Kuo says as gospel, sure.
 
Gotta love that not only is it not sensible to buy the current and recently released 2020 13" MacBook Pros (one's potential need for Intel-specific features aside), it's ALSO not sensible to buy its imminently arriving Apple Silicon (ARM-based) successor because within the next year, THAT Mac is getting a totally redesigned (and likely faster) 14.1" MacBook Pro successor!

The only Mac laptop that seems to be a safe buy (in terms of it not getting a refresh with a short shelf-life) seems to be the 16" MacBook Pro! What silly times we're living in!

Your explanation reflects my own anxiety about how Apple may handle this transition. Figuring out "the best" is going to get extremely complicated -- and it's already complex enough.
 
If you take everything Kuo says as gospel, sure.

Like you said in the other thread, timing is key. If the Apple Silicon-based 13" MacBook Pro comes out in September alongside Big Sur (which I think is likely, given that they don't usually release anything past mid-November and macOS is usually a late September or early October release), and Apple, with Apple Silicon Macs, returns the MacBook Pro to it's previous 8-10 month release cycle, then a 14.1" one thereafter isn't out of the realm of being reasonable.

My point is that it's more unusual to know about multiple refreshes for a single product at a single time than it is to just know about the next one. But the more I think about it, that's not really super abnormal, especially when there's a design change down the road.
 
My sources tell me the first ARM Mac will be a 12” MacBook, which will be released in early November 2020. This will be followed by the 14” ARM MacBook Air (yes, 14”) in April of 2021. The 14” and the 16” ARM MacBook Pros won’t arrive until September of 2021, and they will feature a more powerful next generation ARM CPU. There’s also a possibility of the higher-end 16” ARM MacBook Pro to feature dual ARM CPUs.
 
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Your explanation reflects my own anxiety about how Apple may handle this transition. Figuring out "the best" is going to get extremely complicated -- and it's already complex enough.

Honestly, I think it won't be that bad. If you need anything Intel specific in terms of a 13" MacBook Pro, your course of action seems pretty cut and dried: buy an Intel one now before Big Sur releases to guarantee you don't miss out. Otherwise wait. If Apple's first couple of rounds with Apple Silicon are at all similar to the first couple with Intel, then it'll be better to wait until after the new design comes out (and maybe the first refresh thereafter to avoid Rev A syndrome). Or just buy a 13" MacBook Pro whenever you freakin' feel like it?

My sources tell me the first ARM Mac will be a 12” MacBook, which will be released in early November 2020. This will be followed by the 14” ARM MacBook Air (yes, 14” in April of 2021. The 14” and the 16” ARM MacBook Pros won’t arrive until September of 2021, and they will feature a more powerful next generation ARM CPU. There’s also a possibility of the higher-end 16” ARM MacBook Pro to feature dual ARM CPUs.

And those sources are...?
 
This doesn't make sense to me. I thought they would switch the MacBook Air to Apple Silicon before the upper-tier MacBook Pro. If there ever was a computer that could use ARM, it's the Air. A fanless 13" with great battery life and good performance would set a new standard in the industry.
Nothing about ARM forces it to be low-power. The CPU found in the iPhone 11 Pro already beats modern i7s in single-core performance and isn't so far behind in multi-core. For all we know, they might be taking that and adding a lot more cores.

I'm excited, but I'll wait for the dust to settle before I upgrade.
 
Honestly, I think it won't be that bad. If you need anything Intel specific in terms of a 13" MacBook Pro, your course of action seems pretty cut and dried: buy an Intel one now before Big Sur releases to guarantee you don't miss out. Otherwise wait. If Apple's first couple of rounds with Apple Silicon are at all similar to the first couple with Intel, then it'll be better to wait until after the new design comes out (and maybe the first refresh thereafter to avoid Rev A syndrome). Or just buy a 13" MacBook Pro whenever you freakin' feel like it?



And those sources are...?
Can’t disclose or will be sued by Apple.
 
My sources tell me the first ARM Mac will be a 12” MacBook, which will be released in early November 2020. This will be followed by the 14” ARM MacBook Air (yes, 14”) in April of 2021. The 14” and the 16” ARM MacBook Pros won’t arrive until September of 2021, and they will feature a more powerful next generation ARM CPU. There’s also a possibility of the higher-end 16” ARM MacBook Pro to feature dual ARM CPUs.

Makes sense to start with the low power ones. But honestly now that they'll have chips that are actually able to work on passive cooled devices (iPad Pros, iPhones), not the core-M throttling clusterf*ck, why they keep playing around with a MB and a MBA? Just ditch both and make a single one having the best of both.

I also like the idea of a 14" MBP straightforward. Going for an ARM 13" MBP didn't make any sense if it was about to be redesigned anyway
 
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Adobe have already made an early start with PS.

That's alot better than during the last transition where they dragged their feet.

And if they don't...there will be plenty of app devs that do. With 1 million iPad apps ready and waiting (with litters of image apps and so forth...)

...and good Mac devs like Affinity will probably run them down to get their version of Photo, Design and Publisher working on AS or at the least will be very good Rosetta citizens.

Azrael.
I contacted Affinity about this and they replied that they would have native versions of their apps ready to go when the first Apple Silicon Macs are released.
 
Ye, I was thinking about eGPU (Sonnet Box 550 + Radeon RX580 looks nice), but I had always some issues with my macbook in clamshell mode.

e.g.: turning on/off monitor sometimes end up with macbook restarts and from time to time I had to unplug and plug once again the usb-C cable.
Understandable, those things even if they happen at rare instances are nerve wracking and send the feature to the “unfinished” feeling land.
I had a seemingly small issue with AirDrop, I Had switched to 100% OS X because of the convenience of many things (photo/vid sync, copy paste from device to device, multiscreen+multi desktop is pretty much nailed, trackpad is godlike there, etc etc etc)... but this one was killing me that it was so wonky. Later discovered that it was being connected to the office network via its VPN, no way around that yet.
Restarts, disconnects, plug/unplug along the day is indeed too much.
 
If Kuo's rumors map turn out to be true as is often the case, then the Mac lineup will be very confusing and unstable in 2020-22. Various close launches (i.e. 13" ARM MBP in late 2020, then new design in 2021 etc) and ARM/Intel split launches, etc.
I really hope Apple doesn't return to the confusing ~2016 era lineup where there was MacBook (non-Air, non-Pro), obsolete MBA, long overdue MBP refresh, iMac getting no love etc.
 
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I guess the question is when next year for the 16”, if it’s April or earlier then we may not see another Intel one, if it’s September or October then we will probably get a spec bump this year. I’m hoping as a 16” owner that we see intel ones for as long as possible just to keep the support date nice and long, would hate to not at least to be able to sell it on for £1k in 2 years!
 
A return to "PowerMac/PowerBook" is too much to ask. We're stuck with this eternally clunky "MacBookPro". Ugh

That said, I thought the point of the ARM transition was new form factors that weren't possible with the egg boiling Intel's... but they're going to keep the same enclosure? What's the point? I guess we could get some wild battery life numbers, but Apple ARM isn't inherently faster than Intel. And on the high end, quite the opposite.

Frankly, this is feeling a lot more about Apple's margins than the users.

I don't think that ever was a question. The benefit for the users will be better battery life and nothing more.
 
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