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Kuo: Apple Silicon Macs to Include 13-inch MacBook Pro and MacBook Air This Year, 14.1-inch and 16-inch MacBook Pro Models Next Year

longofest said:
It will be called AppleBook, not MacBook.
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I agree that the MacBook nomenclature and branding will be gone. I think they will want to differentiate this new Apple-Silicon lineup with its new features, call it something different, and not confuse it with the Intel machines (which they will probably still sell in their refurbished store along with third parties for some time until inventory is cleared out.)

My personal preference will be to go "old-school" and bring back the iBook (for the consumer) and PowerBook (for the Pros.) Brand Apple Silicon as a G-series chip (so we can have the G6!)

iBook and PowerBook for laptops
iMac, PowerMac (Mac Pro) and PowerMac Mini for desktops
 
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brdeveloper said:
Meanwhile, 8th-gen Minis still overpriced.
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If they put that 5300 and/or a 5500 gpu in it...would make a big difference to it. And after two years...it got a ssd bump and no 8 core option?

At least make it compelling for the price.

3 iMac options.

Only two headless Mac options. And neither are great value.

Azrael.
 
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CyberBob859 said:
I agree that the MacBook nomenclature and branding will be gone. I think they will want to differentiate this new Apple-Silicon lineup with its new features, call it something different, and not confuse it with the Intel machines (which they will probably still sell in their refurbished store along with third parties for some time until inventory is cleared out.)

My personal preference will be to go "old-school" and bring back the iBook (for the consumer) and PowerBook (for the Pros.) Brand Apple Silicon as a G-series chip (so we can have the G6!)

iBook and PowerBook for laptops
iMac, PowerMac (Mac Pro) and PowerMac Mini for desktops
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Interesting thoughts as to what they'll call 'em.

I could live with them going Retro on the names. But 'Power' was associated with PPC. And it's in the past along with it's failure to put Intel to the sword...

So...I'd be thinkin'...

Apple Air.
Apple Book.
Apple Mac.
Apple Mini.
Apple Pro.

Like Apple 'Watch'.

Or they'll just keep the current branding them have. It's established. And clear enough. Bar a bit of consolidation on the laptop side with the move to AS.

Azrael.
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christcc2 said:
Do you really think so? What would you adjust the price to be?
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£499. With 5300. 4 core.
£750. With 5500. 6 core.

ie. Actual graphics in both.

To me, that's all they're worth.

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A return to "PowerMac/PowerBook" is too much to ask. We're stuck with this eternally clunky "MacBookPro". Ugh

That said, I thought the point of the ARM transition was new form factors that weren't possible with the egg boiling Intel's... but they're going to keep the same enclosure? What's the point? I guess we could get some wild battery life numbers, but Apple ARM isn't inherently faster than Intel. And on the high end, quite the opposite.

Frankly, this is feeling a lot more about Apple's margins than the users.
 
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justin216 said:
I mean, by that logic, they should do the iMac Pro or Mac Pro first, because otherwise, even a 13" MBP with AS could be more powerful (in some tasks) than a workstation. Granted, I don't expect that to be the case, I'm more expecting a ~20% bump in performance with better thermals and battery life.

I would anticipate the next two years to be a mess with regards to product differentiation, regardless of which model they do first, second, etc. It stands to reason to me that the first model or two would be same or very similar chassis with just the motherboards swapped, so they can start getting some user data from the field. Then the second wave will hit next year with more refinement, fixes, new chassis designs, etc, tackling more of the higher-end segment perhaps (MBP16, iMac Pro, Mac Pro).
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I'm leaning more and more to Apple changing their product matrix up. I'm not convinced there will be another iMac Pro.
The Mac Pro is clearly not going to be replaced any time soon but its more than plausible that an AS Mac released in the next two years will be able to beat it at single threaded tasks. Thats ok though because its not about single threaded tasks. The A13 already beats the entry level iMac Pro at single thread performance.

I think the rest of the lineup has performance that is more closely comparable than those two outliers. If you were eyeing a 16" MacBook Pro but could get a more powerful machine for $1000 less and only had to sacrifice a couple of inches of screen, that's a choice more than a few people will jump at. What you aren't going to do is forego an 18 core number cruncher with massed of expansion options for laptop. Unless the laptop can match most of those 18 cores and most of that expansion.
 
MacPoulet said:
That was the 12” MacBook, it died.

(I really like mine though)
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I love mine, but find myself nearly always using iPad Pro.

Given the 12.9 inch ipad pro is 1.4pounds, and is insanely fast, they should be able to do a 13 inch air around 2 lbs (vs. 2.75 with the intel chip). 2lbs was what the 12" MacBook is, but the silicon was not as efficient.
 
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jerryk said:
The Macbook was a much hated system by many. Too small, underpowered, and with the worst of the butterfly keyboards. I think Apple wants to forget it and the Jony Ive days running the Mac Division
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Hmm, after returning both my MBP 2017/18 and my MBA 2019 under lemon law, and reports of USB issues on the 2020 models, I’m back on a MB 12” with 16gb and core i7. I’ll give you the butterfly keyboard though. Otherwise it’s trouble free and running well.
 
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this rumor is wrong.... this year will be a MacBook Air equivalent with 13 inches display.. and next yer yes, we will see an all new 14" MacBook Pro and 16" MacBook Pro
 
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Who wants to be the guinea pig and buy one of these right away? LOL.

I can only imagine how limited software will be. That being said, I'm curious if ported ARM versions of software will also work on the iPad. That would be cool.

I'm hoping they have some killer fast chips for the Mac. It would suck if they were simply putting iPhone chips in there.

It should be interesting to see how this transition goes. I think it will be for the better. Having control of the hardware, CPU, and OS should give them an awesome advantage over the competition.
 
lxmeta said:
Hmm, after returning both my MBP 2017/18 and my MBA 2019 under lemon law, and reports of USB issues on the 2020 models, I’m back on a MB 12” with 16gb and core i7. I’ll give you the butterfly keyboard though. Otherwise it’s trouble free and running well.
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That's more of a testament to just how little power required the work you do needs than anything else.
 
wyarp said:
Every single iMac I have ever worked on has always and CONTINUES to look, MILES better than any PC equivalent. I really could not care less about bezels or not, as a piece of product design, something sat on a desk, it is STILL iconic and streets ahead of the competition. Fact.
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An let's not forget the PC equivalent!

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beautiful keyboard though
 
MacRumors said:


At last month's WWDC, Apple officially announced that its Mac computers will be transitioned from Intel x86 to homegrown Apple Silicon chips. Apple said it plans to deliver the first Apple Silicon Mac by the end of the year and complete the transition in about two years.

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According to Apple analyst Ming-Chi Kuo, a 13.3-inch MacBook Pro with a form factor similar to the current 13.3-inch MacBook Pro could be the first Mac to get an Arm-based chip designed by Apple. In March, Kuo predicted this new MacBook Pro will launch late in 2020 or early in 2021.

In a research note with TF International Securities today, seen by MacRumors, Kuo said he expects the Apple Silicon 13.3-inch MacBook Pro to go into mass production in the fourth quarter of this year, but he also now predicts we will see an Arm-based MacBook Air either in the same quarter or in the first quarter of next year.

Kuo still believes that Apple intends to launch a mini-LED 16-inch ‌MacBook Pro‌ and a 14.1-inch MacBook Pro, also with a mini-LED display, but these will likely arrive in the second or third quarter of 2021, and intriguingly, both will have an "all-new form factor design." Previous rumors suggested an updated 16-inch MacBook Pro could arrive this year in October or November.
Kuo made no mention in today's report of the Apple Silicon iMac he previously predicted. Apple is still expected to launch a redesigned iMac this year, although it's not expected to be an Apple Silicon machine.
In the same report, Kuo predicts that MacBook shipments in 2020 are expected to increase to 16–17 million units. Kuo also said that under optimistic circumstances, if Apple lowered the price of the new MacBook Air to reflect a cost reduction, and if demand was high for the new 14-inch and 16-inch MacBook Pro models, shipment volume could increase significantly next year to 18-20 million units.

Article Link: Kuo: Apple Silicon Macs to Include 13-inch MacBook Pro and MacBook Air This Year, 14.1-inch and 16-inch MacBook Pro Models Next Year
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Can these run Parallels and VMware or is there now way to run windows anymore.
 
If that's true, I don't know what's the point of doing a 13" ARM version to then redesign it next year. Couldn't they just do it now?
 
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Marbles1 said:
None of this points to a ‘fast transition’, boldly luring power and professional users.

This will be a slow burn. This is quite different to the PowerPC to Intel move which opened up the Mac to a whole new audience.

Apple will need to prove their new machines are worthy upgrading to and not just on power: they will need to be aesthetically desirable.
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What are you even taking about? Two years is plenty fast to turn over an entire lineup. And it’s really not much different that the transition from Power PC to Intel. Will be faster chips with lower power. And tons of developers are familiar with ARM, just as they were with Intel years ago. And as far as “proving themselves”, where have you been? Apple machines have led computer design for over 35 years, with no sign of slowing up. Fastest chips and best in class design has nothing to prove, to you or anyone. These machines will likely be the vanguard of what’s possible for computers for years.
 
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Jony Ive and Co. said:
Apple is done with Intel. The next MBP will definitely be ARM
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Except they’ve literally said the opposite.
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Nozuka said:
This sounds strange to me... Why would they bother converting the 13.3'' Macbook Pro to ARM, when they will release a redesigned 14'' shortly after?
Feels like wasted effort and they should just keep selling the current 13.3'' until the new one is ready.
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They did it with intel 🤷🏻‍♂️. Kept the same basic designs so people would still see that physically, it’s still a Mac. Then a following redesign shortly after to say “now look what we can do!”
 
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