Kuo: Apple Silicon Macs to Include 13-inch MacBook Pro and MacBook Air This Year, 14.1-inch and 16-inch MacBook Pro Models Next Year

[johncarync]

nobody said that is major redesign, just you

DigitalTrends October 2019 (16" MacBook Pro released in November)

"ALL the rumors in 2019 have been leading toward the launch of a completely redesigned 16-inch MacBook Pro. Though nothing is for sure, many of the reports point to a redesigned keyboard, a higher resolution (3,072 x 1,920), thinner bezels, and Intel’s 9th-gen H-series processors."

 

[techwhiz]

Considering even the most premium windows laptops are plagued with issues due to the current Intel chips which have stifled innovation in terms of performance and form factor - I think it will be an easy task.

Battery size, throttling, thermals and noise are all not ideal due to the perf per watt of these Intel machines.

Truthfully I can’t wait to have a laptop which doesn’t need to go 80-100c to do basic tasks.

The laws of physics aren't going to change for Apple.

 

[topdrawer]

Macbooks have hardly gone any redesign since the unibody, they have slimmed it only, But then if you make something simple and sleek, there's not much designing you can do in it anyway, unless you start making in un-clean and clutter with things.

yes, when you have a client base always looking for redesigns, that's how you end up with stuff that looks like vacuum cleaners and gaming boxes on the PC side. i don't want exciting, i want beautiful and sophisticated.

 

[dgdosen]

It doesn't make sense to not have a 'Macbook' and have a 'Macbook Air'.

Why wouldn't they just bring back the Macbook name - which is currently unused - and call it "The New Macbook". It was already a great size (I'm using one right now). Just replace the guts.

I'd gladly accept this, especially with a no fan, a new keyboard, less bezel and a CPU that benchmarks better than anything else today.

That way they could save any redesign to encompass touch/mini led/facetime/etc for the first macbook pros.

 

[jerryk]

It doesn't make sense to not have a 'Macbook' and have a 'Macbook Air'.

Why wouldn't they just bring back the Macbook name - which is currently unused - and call it "The New Macbook". It was already a great size (I'm using one right now). Just replace the guts.

I'd gladly accept this, especially with a no fan, a new keyboard, less bezel and a CPU that benchmarks better than anything else today.

That way they could save any redesign to encompass touch/mini led/facetime/etc for the first macbook pros.

The Macbook was a much hated system by many. Too small, underpowered, and with the worst of the butterfly keyboards. I think Apple wants to forget it and the Jony Ive days running the Mac Division

 

[longofest]

It will be called AppleBook, not MacBook.

 

[joiwomcow]

Good to hear the 13” is first.
If the performance of the 13” is well below par, I’ll know to hurry up and buy the Intel 16”.
If the performance is way better than Intel’s, I’ll wait for the upgrade.

 

[dgdosen]

The Macbook was a much hated system by many. Too small, underpowered, and with the worst of the butterfly keyboards. I think Apple wants to forget it and the Jony Ive days running the Mac Division

I'm using one right now - and I agree 100%! That's why a new keyboard, and now, new CPU are easy to swap out. It'll go from hated to loved, overnight.

 

[KPOM]

The Air is the perfect choice because it was designed for AS. See LTT for how the thermal design fails on the intel chip inside. Since when does one not have the fan blow on the heatsink? Answer: when the AS CPU is not the hottest chip in the chassis.

Agreed. It makes more sense for the 13” model to be the Air, with performance similar to the current 13” Pro (and better graphics). Then they can release the 14” model as the new Pro.

The Air chassis is built for a 12W TDP. That’s why there is no heat pipe. Apple is running the Y-series Intel chip, which can only sustain about 1.7GHz with 4 cores running. The MacBook Pros are design for 25W-28W TDP (the “15W” lower-end is a misnomer since it tops out at 25W and can sustain it). My guess is that the Air lets Apple show off just how much power they get from a low wattage SoC, and how much longer the battery can last.

 

[Zdigital2015]

Can someone translate what second or third quarter 2021 means month-wise? I just bought a 2019 16 inch and for purely selfish reasons want the ARM model to not come out for a while.

Apple “typically” introduces products in the following months - March, May, June, July, September, October.

Yes, there are exceptions, but by and large, these dates hold true.

Q1/2021 - January-March
Q2/2021 - April-June
Q3/2021 - July-September
Q4/2021 - October-December

 

[aid]

The last Intel product from any product line needs to be epic.

I doubt that is really in Apple's best interest. They'll see the best success by embarrassing the current Intel lineup with the new Apple Silicon machines. (Whether they'll actually do that is a different matter!)

 

[iShater]

Hoping for a decent bump on an Intel 16" MBP so that I can upgrade my 4-year old work machine (15" 2015MBP). I need the "Intel Inside", as I am sure many cross-platform developers like myself do.

 

[dgdosen]

Apple “typically” introduces products in the following months - March, May, June, July, September, October.

Yes, there are exceptions, but by and large, these dates hold true.

Q1/2021 - January-March
Q2/2021 - April-June
Q3/2021 - July-September
Q4/2021 - October-December

Such obvious

Unless otherwise stated as "Fiscal Year" or FY/FYE, then one can assume calendar year as above... (well, maybe not in forum comments.)

FYI - Apple's FYE is September 30th.

 

[aid]

Apple aren't releasing a MBP of any size using Silicon this year.
A new design 24 inch iMac, with a single processor option, will be announced, as marketing can focus on design rather than performance.

If Apple hadn't already sorted out performance using Apple Silicon; they wouldn't have made the announcement to move to AS. Apple didn't get into a huddle after WWDC asking themselves "So, how do we speed up these iPad chips?"...

 

[Corncab44]

Such obvious

Unless otherwise stated as "Fiscal Year" or FY/FYE, then one can assume calendar year as above... (well, maybe not in forum comments.)

FYI - Apple's FYE is September 30th.

So no 16 inch for another year. Feel better with my purchase! Purely psychological reasons, of course.

 

[aid]

I really want the 14 inch model with LED screen and boosted gpu. I know it’s coming! My only concern is that knowing Apple it will cost an ARM and a leg.

Oh dear. I don't think that's the INTELligent choice. ;-)
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I get excited about the possibilities when I hear "all new form factor design," but then I realize that this is considered "a major redesign"...

Well, you've missed out the bigger 16" screen and better/fixed keyboard...

 

[mschmalenbach]

eGPU it maybe worth it?
The 13” MBP is the perfect portable machine imo. I was on a MBP 15 2014 also with external screens and just bit the iMac 2019 bullet, 16GB of RAM and its discrete gpu became not enough anymore. Ultra happy, refurbished discount, not looking back... but it does look dated.
Had I been on a more recent laptop, would have kept it going with eGPU to buy a few more years for this whole ordeal to settle down, but I hear it can be wonky.
My .0002cents.

I've had a 2014 and a 2017 top of the line MBP 15 inch - fully loaded, maxed out options etc etc, Power used mainly for Video editing using Adobe & Black Magic tools. And several different eGPUs, including a Vega 56 with 8Gb

i recently bought a mid-range MBP 13 with maxed RAM, lower spec'd CPU. it's half the price of the 15 inch top end MBP, and i get about the same Cpu core performance with the video editing tools, it has better thermals, and i get the same eGPU performance to within about 1.5 fps.
I (used to pre covid) travel all over the world 5-6 times a year. A 13 inch unit is a better travel companion than a 15inch one.

i would never again buy a fully loaded MBP, except perhaps memory. Not size or CPU.

 

[UltimateSyn]

Dang. I guess I have to wait until Q2 or Q3 next year for my next MacBook! I'll be getting that new 16" MBP as long as it comes out at the same time as the 14".

 

[tgwaste]

want 12" w/ magic keyboard.

 

[Just sayin...]

I’m considering a MacBook Air with the new chips...IF it can run virtualization software to emulate Windows - there are a couple Win-only programs I need that don’t use a lot of resources, but are absolute requirements for me. I’m optimistic about longer battery life and better integration with my iPad and iPhone.

 

[adamw]

Bring on the Apple Silicons machines... Hopefully the developers (Adobe, nudge, nudge) will recompile all their Mac apps to be optimized for Apple Silicon machines, but I doubt Adobe will.

 

[Zdigital2015]

Such obvious

Unless otherwise stated as "Fiscal Year" or FY/FYE, then one can assume calendar year as above... (well, maybe not in forum comments.)

FYI - Apple's FYE is September 30th.

I resisted the urge to be sarcastic, however, I will say that some companies have incredibly weird fiscal years. I know Autodesk’s fiscal year ends January 31st, not December 31st. I have other weirder incidences, but I digress.

 

[christcc2]

eGPU it maybe worth it?
The 13” MBP is the perfect portable machine imo. I was on a MBP 15 2014 also with external screens and just bit the iMac 2019 bullet, 16GB of RAM and its discrete gpu became not enough anymore. Ultra happy, refurbished discount, not looking back... but it does look dated.
Had I been on a more recent laptop, would have kept it going with eGPU to buy a few more years for this whole ordeal to settle down, but I hear it can be wonky.
My .0002cents.

Totally agree. My 13 inch MBP, with an eGPU, has been the best combination of everything I've wanted for years. If we can still use an eGPU with an Apple Silicon MBP (it will have Thunderbolt) - then in 3-5 years when I replace my 2019 MBP I will be perfectly happy. I'm already on a 1-2 year GPU update cycle with my eGPU.

 

[Azrael9]

Bring on the Apple Silicons machines... Hopefully the developers (Adobe, nudge, nudge) will recompile all their Mac apps to be optimized for Apple Silicon machines, but I doubt Adobe will.

Adobe have already made an early start with PS.

That's alot better than during the last transition where they dragged their feet.

And if they don't...there will be plenty of app devs that do. With 1 million iPad apps ready and waiting (with litters of image apps and so forth...)

...and good Mac devs like Affinity will probably run them down to get their version of Photo, Design and Publisher working on AS or at the least will be very good Rosetta citizens.

Azrael.

 

[Westside guy]

The Macbook was a much hated system by many. Too small, underpowered, and with the worst of the butterfly keyboards. I think Apple wants to forget it and the Jony Ive days running the Mac Division

That wasn't the original MacBook - the original MacBooks were great budget computers. I wonder if the 2015 reboot poisoned the name enough that Apple might not be willing to use it again, though... at least for several more years.