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Kuo: Apple to Cancel or Postpone 2024 iPhone SE 4
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After reading the comments here, what about:
'iPhone 13 mini SE' 2024
- With the interior 'foldable' chassis of the 14 for easy repairability.
- Only one camera lens
- No crash detect or satellite
Obviously not great for those with OLED PWM (and I have a little of that) but it's the only thing I could think of for Apple to make a more affordable phone without doing much to its current phone chassis.
'iPhone 13 mini SE' 2024
- With the interior 'foldable' chassis of the 14 for easy repairability.
- Only one camera lens
- No crash detect or satellite
Obviously not great for those with OLED PWM (and I have a little of that) but it's the only thing I could think of for Apple to make a more affordable phone without doing much to its current phone chassis.
Of course sales are lower. The churn rate for these phones are lower. People who buy these phone generally hold on to them longer than the higher priced more profitable phones. Also, Apple has not put their best into phones and also kept raising prices. Apple wants the up-sell to the more profitable phones.
Nobody wants a purposely gimped phone.
Said for a long time there should only be one iPhone for sale just like it started.
Apple are just being greedy and charging inflated unjustified prices for the Pro range which has all the latest features.
They need to can every iPhone model except the Pro range and lower the prices by about £300-£400.
Said for a long time there should only be one iPhone for sale just like it started.
Apple are just being greedy and charging inflated unjustified prices for the Pro range which has all the latest features.
They need to can every iPhone model except the Pro range and lower the prices by about £300-£400.
No surprises here.
Apple crippled the SE 3 and mid-tier 14s too much.
Consumers would have bought SE 2022 in droves if it was just an XR upgraded to 5G and A15 with 4GB RAM.
SE 3 too much like SE 2.
14 too much like 13.
The lack of “new” is so obvious that not even non-techie consumers fall for it.
Apple crippled the SE 3 and mid-tier 14s too much.
Consumers would have bought SE 2022 in droves if it was just an XR upgraded to 5G and A15 with 4GB RAM.
SE 3 too much like SE 2.
14 too much like 13.
The lack of “new” is so obvious that not even non-techie consumers fall for it.
Makes sense to me.
Why people would pay such a price tag for an entry level phone? For the same price, you'd probably be better served buying a refurbished iPhone 12/13.
If Apple wants to make a SE 4, then imho they should make it really cheap(er) and smaller for those people looking to just be within the Apple ecosystem but without the bells and whistles. Apple won't do that though. They prefer keeping their image of a manufacturer of high-end products only.
Why people would pay such a price tag for an entry level phone? For the same price, you'd probably be better served buying a refurbished iPhone 12/13.
If Apple wants to make a SE 4, then imho they should make it really cheap(er) and smaller for those people looking to just be within the Apple ecosystem but without the bells and whistles. Apple won't do that though. They prefer keeping their image of a manufacturer of high-end products only.
I just wanted to say that this is one of the most sensible and well-thought comments I’ve read in a long time.
I’m very sorry for your loss.
I don't know if you have to be less "technical" to appreciate the iPhone SE. I have worked in the IT industry for nearly thirty years and know a thing or two, but my daily is the iPhone SE. It gets the job done, without any excessive cost or features and the form factor makes it very handy to carry around in my pocket all day. Not into selfies and I don't need to try and vainly impress anyone with my bulging multiple camera iris. The kind of people who would be impressed by that, are not the kind of people I want to talk to anyway. The SE is a good performing, dependable smart phone at a reasonable price, that gets the job done without fuss. For some of us, thats all we need or want out of a smartphone or any IT based infrastructure for that matter.
Since iPhones at this point have an extreme long lifetime in therms of performance I don’t understand at all why Apple would keep selling a low tier low price phone. If you want a lower priced iPhone, buy a model from two or three years ago. Apple and other vendors still sell them new. No need for a forced cheap phone.
I can see the logic behind it.
After 4 years, Apple would more or less have written off the depreciation costs linked to their iPhone manufacturing plants. This means that from an earnings standpoint, the profit from an SE iPhone really is price - cost. That's what makes it economically viable to sell it at those prices. I won't be surprised if an SE iPhone has a higher margin than an older iPhone (which has a higher manufacturing cost, but has to be sold at a discounted price because it's no longer the latest model).
A new processor modernises it and more or less guarantees at least 4-5 years of software updates. You may not get that with an older iPhone. The target market just wants a cheap iPhone but would also like to hold on to it for as long as possible.
An older iPhone still isn't really that much cheaper if purchased from Apple, and it will likely never reach SE level pricing. Apple is trying to address every possible price point to expand its iPhone user base, where it can then continue to market other Apple accessories, services and apps (and thus continue to earn from them).
This looks like a 10th gen iPad scenario all over again. It has a new form factor, and Apple could no longer afford to sell it at the original price, necessitating a price hike. It's likely the same thing here. iPhone XR / 11 form factor with Face ID and 5g probably means Apple can no longer afford to maintain the $400 price tag. And so it has to rise.
Basic econs at work.
Honestly WHY DO WE LISTEN TO THESE IDIOTS?
Yet another bunch of analysts making up some fantasy product that Apple "will" release, with no evidence or, if there's any at all, it's based on bits in a factory which, as we know, Apple often get made just to throw competitors off the trail of what they're really doing.
Then the analyst realises that they are probably wrong - yet again - but of course they can't say that, so they make up nonsense on top of nonsense - "Apple cancels product!" - just like a day or two ago with the Mac Pro and its "extreme" chipset, another fantasy made up by the analysts.
Apple didn't cancel or postpone anything since it never existed as an announced product. The "analysts" are as usual just making up fairy stories because, for reasons I just can't comprehend after so many years of comically bad performance, people still throw money at them to gaze into a crystal ball and spout out fiction.
Yeah, sometimes it's right... In pretty much the same way that a stopped clock tells the right time twice a day.
Just ignore these "analyst" morons, for heaven's sake! They only keep getting column inches because it generates clicks and ad revenue, meanwhile people in this thread are acting all bummed out because they think Apple cancelled something even though, again, that something never existed as far as anyone can possibly know outside of Apple itself.
Yet another bunch of analysts making up some fantasy product that Apple "will" release, with no evidence or, if there's any at all, it's based on bits in a factory which, as we know, Apple often get made just to throw competitors off the trail of what they're really doing.
Then the analyst realises that they are probably wrong - yet again - but of course they can't say that, so they make up nonsense on top of nonsense - "Apple cancels product!" - just like a day or two ago with the Mac Pro and its "extreme" chipset, another fantasy made up by the analysts.
Apple didn't cancel or postpone anything since it never existed as an announced product. The "analysts" are as usual just making up fairy stories because, for reasons I just can't comprehend after so many years of comically bad performance, people still throw money at them to gaze into a crystal ball and spout out fiction.
Yeah, sometimes it's right... In pretty much the same way that a stopped clock tells the right time twice a day.
Just ignore these "analyst" morons, for heaven's sake! They only keep getting column inches because it generates clicks and ad revenue, meanwhile people in this thread are acting all bummed out because they think Apple cancelled something even though, again, that something never existed as far as anyone can possibly know outside of Apple itself.
Well who knows as 2024 is a long ways off but sales numbers don't lie.
Apple should focus on what sells the most as making bigger improvements on the best selling devices just makes sense.
That being said I was really hoping for an iPhone 13 mini style se in 2023 with a16. Guess my dream may not be realistic.
I like large screen phones but as a back up phone I like the mini as it is not crazy expensive and on a smaller screen 120hz vs 60hz is not as noticeable. I just can't do the SE with a 4.7" screen.
What is kind of funny is 5.5" a few years ago was a pro size screen. Now it is a mini.
However I really think 6.5" to 6.8" is the sweet spot but it is a large device.
I really hope that Apple starts using titanium in the pro max line up because as much as I like stainless steel as a material it is way to heavy in such a large phone. Android phone with aluminum frame and same size screen as the pro max feel so much better in the hand.
Apple should focus on what sells the most as making bigger improvements on the best selling devices just makes sense.
That being said I was really hoping for an iPhone 13 mini style se in 2023 with a16. Guess my dream may not be realistic.
I like large screen phones but as a back up phone I like the mini as it is not crazy expensive and on a smaller screen 120hz vs 60hz is not as noticeable. I just can't do the SE with a 4.7" screen.
What is kind of funny is 5.5" a few years ago was a pro size screen. Now it is a mini.
However I really think 6.5" to 6.8" is the sweet spot but it is a large device.
I really hope that Apple starts using titanium in the pro max line up because as much as I like stainless steel as a material it is way to heavy in such a large phone. Android phone with aluminum frame and same size screen as the pro max feel so much better in the hand.
I will keep buying the current style (iphone 8) as long as available. Only reason I didn't get the SE3 is my SE2 is just fine.
I did have Apple put a new battery in last week for $50
I like the size & TouchID
I did have Apple put a new battery in last week for $50
I like the size & TouchID
Since they waited 4 years to release a follow up to the 2016 iPhone SE, they should have done the same with iPhone SE 3 which should have been released in 2024 instead of 2022...
Even though I wish it should have been released in 2024, I am okay with the battery capacity increase and 2021 chipset...
Even though I wish it should have been released in 2024, I am okay with the battery capacity increase and 2021 chipset...
+1 vocal fan of the mini form factor
My dream would be a mini positioned in the pro range rather than entry level. And with usbc instead of lightning to enable using same charging cables than my ipad air
My dream would be a mini positioned in the pro range rather than entry level. And with usbc instead of lightning to enable using same charging cables than my ipad air
Next year he'll say "Apple planning new SE 4 for 2024, full steam ahead!".
Easy. Pixel 6A.
The Pixel UI is as refined as iOS. It doesn't have the complexity of some other Android skins. An ex-iOS user will easily adapt, and it will get 5 years of security updates.
No. How does pointing out that a flagship product is not necessarily an expensive product suggest that I am "working for Apple?"
With all these "get the iPhone free" campaigns, of course, people are going to get the most expensive one because there is a natural inclination that you are getting the best value. This is the tail wagging the dog. Sometimes I think Apple is purposely trying to drive down the sales of smaller phones. Making an iPhone Mini but making it more expensive than the SE is another example.
Some. They need to advertise more which have the biggest, or Apple has to make iJeans to fit the PMes
A little too small. If it were just a little bigger with full screen and Touch in Power, I'd consider it