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Even if Apple released it with a budget price in mind, the SE is still loved by many today because it is small. If you ask me it's an outdated form factor and people should just stop whining and get the 4.7" iPhone 8. How is the iPhone 6/6s/7/8 too big? It's barely larger than the SE.

I can reach the upper corners of the phone with my thumb when I held it in one hand, but barely. I need this frequently, so anything bigger is too big, period. I've switched from an 5.5" android. I rarely used it, it didn't fit my pocket comfortably, so it was in my bag. Basically it was a very bad and small tablet, in most situations either I had a laptop at hand, or it was too complicated to pull out. I use the SE much more, because it's so easy to handle.

I paid a premium for the SE compared to my earlier android phones because it was small. If I am only left with big screen phones, I won't pay triple the price of an average android for a phone I would barely use. What you all don't seem to understand, that the biggest selling point of Apple is it's ecosystem. If one brick falls out, the whole thing becomes unstable. Without an iphone, having an ipad or mac is not a must have. Also using apple services (icloud, music, tv) becomes complicated or impossible. Apple wants to rely more on service revenues. That won't work if part of the user base leaves, because they don't want to spend on RD. FFS, even if the sell only 10 million small phones with a profit of 100 bucks each, that's one billion dollars. Plus the benefit of keeping them inside the ecosystem, the app store, services sales, the word of mouth marketing.
 
If the new SE turns out to be an 8 then the dream of a small Notch phone is potentially over. Have a feeling I’ll be in Notch land from next year, rather than grabbing a Ye olde iPhone 8 style phone. Still rocking an SE here
 
If iPhone SE was popular because of size, don't you think Apple would have continued that form factor for 2020?

Oh yeah, they do make laptops with butterfly keyboard and thin design destined to throttle because it's popular.
 
Why is everyone excited about this "new SE"?
It's suppose to be iPhone 8 size. Or am I reading this wrong?
 
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So it would be better than iPhone 8, but with a similar design. What's the point in having both? If they just want to sell a "cheap" iPhone they can cut the price of 8 and call it a day.
It would be great to have a true SE 2, either with the old chassis or with a new notch design with a smaller display.
My reason for having both the SE and 8 is that there is no notch. And I very much do like the 8.....great iPhone.
 
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Inevitably 90% of the posters in SE threads own a large phablet and come here to “educate” these ignorant SE users about why they are wrong to prefer a smaller phone. Is it because they are insecure with their own purchases or have an uncontrollable urge to impose themselves on others? In either case SE users should start trolling posts about the Max devices
 
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I'm just throwing my 2c in, in case anyone at Apple is reading. I have a SE because it's small. I have not yet upgraded because everything is bigger. The fact is, I don't mind paying $1000 for a phone. I use it a ton as a tool, and it's nice if it works well. It's just that I want a roofing hammer to build my roof, not a sledge hammer (huge phone).
 
I agree 100% that cost was the only criteria for creating an SE.

Even though Apple released the SE for that reason, I think that people bought the SE in the US primarily for its size.

I think you are giving the people who like the SE very little credit. Everyone understands that the SE 2 is being produced so Apple will have a lower cost phone.

It doesn't mean though that we have to like the rebranded iPhone 8 or stop requesting an SE sized iPhone.

Oh absolutely people picked it up because of the form factor, but it was not the best selling iPhone in the US. Not sure if it was part of the India market share growing, but I suspect so given it was manufactured there to comply with Indian law domestic sales.

That was their intent, but it turned out differently. It's my first iphone, and if they don't make one with similar dimensions, it will be the last too.

and that’s OK. There’s others like you, I’m sure, but it’s a tiny minority, especially compared to emerging markets and their potential.
 
After thinking about this rumor some more I think it’s not true. This phone is for no one. It’s not for SE fans or for X-line fans.
 
For good reason. A lot of what people like about the SE is nothing an "8 style phone" sounds like it would deliver. For me personally, the SE's class came from the chamfered edges (therefore increased grip), lack of camera bump, the small size, and feather weight (particularly compared to current phones). IMO it was the pinnacle of iPhone hardware design.
You are in the extreme minority with that opinion.
 
What "small phone" extremists fail to understand is no one cares about what you think about size, the SE has and always was a way to get rid of old parts (the sort of parts and bins supply chain thinking that is a hallmark of Tim Apple). The iPhone 8-based SE is the clear logical result.

And that's absolutely fine, but when my SE dies I will be buying an Android phone.
This proves what a damned good idea it was not to buy too deeply into the Apple ecosystem, I can leave with very little pain. I am already buying software that has a Linux/Windows version and I can transfer my licences, or if worse comes to the worst I will have a Hackintosh.

I am not willing to give Apple their exorbitant prices for products that do not suit me, there are now "good enough" choices available.
 
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So it would be better than iPhone 8, but with a similar design. What's the point in having both? If they just want to sell a "cheap" iPhone they can cut the price of 8 and call it a day.
It would be great to have a true SE 2, either with the old chassis or with a new notch design with a smaller display.

Is this going to replace the iPhone 8 in stores and online? Will Apple stop selling the iPhone 8? If this SE2 has an A13 chip why would Apple keep selling an iPhone 8 which has an A11 chip?

Because it really isn't iPhone 8 or even iPhone 7 or 6s. It is more like iPhone 6 but with A13 instead. iPhone 6s and upwards all have 3D Touch. And this iPhone likely has Haptic Touch. There will be no wireless charging, and hence no glass back. Screen will likely be iPhone 6 as well, so no True Tone or colour calibration.

May be even Camera without bump.
 
Not a button ;):

“On earlier models, the button was truly a button: something that moved when you clicked it. On the iPhone 7 and then the 8 series, the Home button is actually a solid, 3D Touch-enabled panel. When you press it, nothing moves.“

In order for you to make that post, you had to click or tap on the forum's Reply button, which did not physically move. ;)
 
For God's sake Apple, it's not the price, it's the size. Why won't they make a premium phone that you can operate with one hand, and that easily fits in a pocket?
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And I vote with my wallet - our household is still only using iPhone SE's and we have two backups still brand new in the box.
 
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It won't.

Because an iPhone SE 2 is never going to happen. It was a one off device, a one time thing, an anomaly.

Rumours of an iPhone SE 2 are just click-bait.

These rumours are about a refreshed iPhone 8, not the SE.

Yeah, I totally agree with this. My gut feeling is that Kuo got a tip from his 'grapevine' that the iPhone 8 was going to live on in some fashion with refreshed internals, but then he decided to take a gamble and run further with the theory that this may be the mysterious iPhone SE successor. I think the refreshed 8 rumor is probably based on solid info as it would make sense from a cost and value perspective for Apple to keep stringing the 8 along as its 'value' iPhone.

As far as there being an SE 2 though? I don't buy it. I think Apple's iPhone pipeline is already over-saturated, I don't think they are going to bring out yet another form factor (let alone go back to the aging 4/5 case format) when they can just keep the 8 shell and deck it out with updated hardware.
 
Exactly. Apple hasn’t realized (or doesn’t think it worth realizing) that there are two different markets using the SE: those who want a cheaper iPhone and willing to forgo features and those willing to pay what it takes for the best iPhone possible in a small form factor. The latter are generally people who always have their larger MacBooks or iPad Pros with them and thus have no desire for a large screen and clunky interface in their pockets.

Right -- it's similar to the audience for the iPod Nano, back in the day. I remember a friend telling me I was crazy for buying it, because Apple ALSO made the iPod Video, which provided more storage space and a bigger screen for video. What he was missing was that I bought my iPod for a very particular thing -- music, in that case -- and was willing to give up certain advantages inherent to larger devices simply because I wanted a smaller, sleeker device. That did not mean I wanted my iPod nano to be anything less than the best device that could possibly be made in that form factor.
 
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The SE launched 3 years ago when the flagship iPhone was 4.7” and the largest phone available was 5.5” - it was neither small nor premium, it was cheap (being small was a collateral). Plus it was half the price of the 6S.

Now the flagship iPhone is 5.8” or 6.1” (depending on who you ask) and larger phones are the norm.

Apple would simply replicate the formula - phone from 2.5 years ago + updated internals = iPhone SE. As a collateral, 4.7 is the new “small”.
Going by your formula, that would mean the price would be $499
 
when my SE dies I will be buying an Android phone.

And which tiny Android phone will you buy?

I don't think there's been a small Android phone since the Sony Xperia compacts... and even those were 4.6" and much bigger than the SE.

Hell... cheap sub-$200 Android phones have 5.5" screens nowadays.

There will not be an "SE-sized" phone ever again... from Apple or anyone else.

So I guess you'll get a flip-phone? :p
 
Yes there are people who want small phones. But what the SE fans who post here don’t seem to understand is that it certainly is about price. Whether the SE market was 90% buying due to size or 90% buying because it was the least expensive, it’s still about price. But whichever; size or price, it’s really not relevant.

The SE sold relatively poorly to ALL buyers—those who bought for price and those who bought for size. Even if 90% of SE buyers bought because of its small size, it still didn’t sell well. Doubling or tripling the price is only going to decimate the already small market for an SE2 iPhone.

Sure, there are customers who would pay $599 for an XR-style LCD SE2, or $899 for an XS-style OLED SE2. But not enough. Nowhere even close to enough. A million or two or five or even ten million aren’t enough. You can want a premium small phone all you want, but not enough people want what you want.

Like any company, Apple wants to make money. If there were a sufficient market for it, Apple would be happy to make an SE2. Phones running Android have 3-4 times the market share of Apple and none of them make a small premium phone either.

Are all cellphone manufacturers stupid? Everyone’s leaving money on the table by failing to deliver a small premium phone? Or is it actually a fact that the vast majority of customers don’t want a small phone? Whether premium or more basic, whether $299 or $899, not enough people want an SE-sized phone in 2020 to make it a viable product.

But things change. Tastes change. The pendulum might swing back to customers wanting smaller phones. If that happens, Apple will make you a true SE2. But don’t hold your breath. We had 13” desktop displays, then 14”. And 15, 17 and 19” (considered at one time to be HUGE). Nowadays many people will tell you 27” is on the small side.

Do I expect a comeback of 15” or 19” displays? Nope. Any more than I do 3.5” or 4.0” cell phones. But you never know...
 
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