Well said, you nailed it. You would think this would make sense even to the bean counters, but it doesn't seem to be.
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Kuo: Apple to Launch 'iPhone SE 2' in Early 2020 With Similar Design as iPhone 8, A13 Chip, and 3GB RAM
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Well said, you nailed it. You would think this would make sense even to the bean counters, but it doesn't seem to be.
Not crazy at all. I snagged an SE w/128G earlier this year when Apple was selling them at discount. Hope Apple keeps a phone with the same size case. Get rid of bezels, keep camera flush, don’t need no stinkin’ faceID. I will not use a phone for computing...iPad mini 5, baby and a Mac mini.
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Well, make it six then.
Maybe, but today the SE is loved because of it's size, and because people refuse to upgrade to the 4.7" inch iPhone 8 or other 4.7" models.
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the iPhone 11 is the new standard and it’s $699.
I think this new iPhone SE would cost around $399-$450.
I don’t think so. Android phones have always pushed to bigger sizes since it’s probably easier to develop and cram components into.
In this particular case there would be a solid reason to complain, the size. Remember, most SE buyers prefer a smaller form factor. I had a Plus sized model for about 6 months before I traded it in to get the SE, simply because I hated carrying a big phone in my pocket.
Using this thread as a sample suggests that 12% of active iPhone users would want a premium small phone.
- The number of people "liking" posts on the first page regarding the size being important is 50 (some more, some less - I should probably have looked for the largest number, but I'm lazy!)
- the number of posts in this thread is 428, (which technically isn't the number of posters, as there are likely multiple posts per person.)
In practice; there will probably be a little overlap with those for whom price IS a factor, and we obviously see the excitement / activity whenever there is a small iPhone rumour.
The errors bias this some way towards the conservative side, partly through post mix, and through the counting, where there will be a maximum of one "like" and a minimum of one post.
- The number of people "liking" posts on the first page regarding the size being important is 50 (some more, some less - I should probably have looked for the largest number, but I'm lazy!)
- the number of posts in this thread is 428, (which technically isn't the number of posters, as there are likely multiple posts per person.)
In practice; there will probably be a little overlap with those for whom price IS a factor, and we obviously see the excitement / activity whenever there is a small iPhone rumour.
The errors bias this some way towards the conservative side, partly through post mix, and through the counting, where there will be a maximum of one "like" and a minimum of one post.
I still can't understand why people see an "obsolete design" automatically as a bad thing...
Maybe it's not 'trendy', but that has nothing to do with a good/bad design.
And in the case of the SE, that "obsolete" design is better than anything released after that.
And to stay on the topic, everyone I know who has a SE (including myself), keeps it solely because of the form factor and nothing else. We are not poor people, who can't afford anything more expensive.
Using the form factor of iPhone 8 is not a good option, as it is significantly bigger and the lens on the back protrudes. Best option in my opinion is to use the current "obsolete"
design and shrink the bezel, so that we can get larger screen in the same form factor. Also, I'd like to see Touch ID implemented under the screen (I don't like Face ID), but I guess that won't happen...
Anyway, let's wait and see if any of those speculations will come true, or we will get nothing in March.
Maybe it's not 'trendy', but that has nothing to do with a good/bad design.
And in the case of the SE, that "obsolete" design is better than anything released after that.
And to stay on the topic, everyone I know who has a SE (including myself), keeps it solely because of the form factor and nothing else. We are not poor people, who can't afford anything more expensive.
Using the form factor of iPhone 8 is not a good option, as it is significantly bigger and the lens on the back protrudes. Best option in my opinion is to use the current "obsolete"
design and shrink the bezel, so that we can get larger screen in the same form factor. Also, I'd like to see Touch ID implemented under the screen (I don't like Face ID), but I guess that won't happen...Anyway, let's wait and see if any of those speculations will come true, or we will get nothing in March.
hmmm...
-a13 chip
-touchid
-cheaper price
-3gb ram
maybe I should wait a little bit more than to buy the iphone 11
-a13 chip
-touchid
-cheaper price
-3gb ram
maybe I should wait a little bit more than to buy the iphone 11
I still can't understand why people see an "obsolete design" automatically as a bad thing...
Maybe it's not 'trendy', but that has nothing to do with a good/bad design.
And in the case of the SE, that "obsolete" design is better than anything released after that.
And to stay on the topic, everyone I know who has a SE (including myself), keeps it solely because of the form factor and nothing else. We are not poor people, who can't afford anything more expensive.
Using the form factor of iPhone 8 is not a good option, as it is significantly bigger and the lens on the back protrudes. Best option in my opinion is to use the current "obsolete"
Anyway, let's wait and see if any of those speculations will come true, or we will get nothing in March.
Many people seem to agree that a new touchID based on ultrasonic sensor will look legitimately great for the SE form factor with a bezel-less design so the customer wouldn't really feel like buying the same iPhone again.
You can bet that lots of buyers from 6 plus willing to purchase the new SE Form Factor with a slightly bigger screen that doesn't look as big as an iPhone 8.
Apparently it wouldn’t sell good enough for Apple to make them, which is why they are not made.
If you hold your phone like this, I think almost everybody should be able to reach the upper corners:
A bit curious how this will fit into the line-up. I know that Apple will definitely replace the iPhone 8 with the 2020 SE, but this will mean that folks that want a true "Plus" form factor will have to shell out $1100 for the 11 Pro Max or compromise with the XR or 11. But again, there is always reselling and Apple's refurbs.
Leaving out 3D Touch doesn't require going back to the iPhone 6 design. The iPhone 6 was the bendiest iPhone, there is zero chance they go back to that. They could leave out wireless charging (and the glass back) but I see zero reason to go back further than the iPhone 7 design (did they leave out any of the 5s over 5 advancements in the SE?).
The SE was released 2.5 yr after the 5s. The rumoured SE2 release next spring will also be 2.5 yr after the iPhone 8. Why would they change the formula that much with the SE2 and regress in many ways compared to the iPhone 8 if they didn't do so with the SE?
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In which way is the iPhone 11 or 11 Pro a compromise compared to the iPhone 8 Plus (that the 11 Pro Max wouldn't)?
Yes. I wonder what they do with the 8 Plus in March 2020. Probably just discontinue it, they want people to buy the Xr / 11 instead.
It is great. But!! The form factor of the SE is outdated. By definiton, people would not want it back. We want new things that's why we buy all the gadgets. If Apple finds a way to make the SE more like an Android Phone in regards to price point, this is gun be great. Until then, hmm...
How many people you know that do have an iPhone would fall into the category of 'poor people who can't afford anything more expensive [than a sub $500 iPhone]'?
Almost no one is excited about this rumor. The people who like the SE say that this isn't the SE, and the people who hate the SE people are mad that Apple would be considering making another SE.
Ive had macs for over 20 years, and i got the iPhone 3g when it was released and have upgraded regularly over the years.
i had an SE for years but it broke after it got wet. so I "upgraded" to a XS last year. I hated it.
sure it was a great device to use instead of the computer, but as a phone to carry it was terrible.. too heavy, too big. i hated it every time i went on my bike or did any sort of activity. its like having a brick in your pocket.
i realized i only liked using it when i really would have been even happier just using my actual computer.
a few months ago Costco had a bunch of brand new SE so i snagged a 128gb one and I couldn't be happier.
if apple don't make another phone that is the same size this will be my last iPhone. id rather use a flip phone and take a laptop when i need more functionality than carry a giant phone every day. I might get an iPod touch as my main thing i like my iPhone for is podcasts. if something like the nokia 800 tough comes to canada before a good SE ill buy that and an iPod. a basic phone with a qwerty keyboard even better.
an iPhone 8 sized device is not a SE replacement.
clearly there is a market for SE phones. costco sold thousands of them in every store and they were all gone in a few days. the 6 and 6s they sell are still there clogging up the shelves.
give me a waterproof SE and id be happy. even better keep the 4" screen and chop off the bezels to make it even smaller. id pay premium price for a device like that.
oh, and I wear XXL gloves, so its not a case of small hand syndrome.
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i had an SE for years but it broke after it got wet. so I "upgraded" to a XS last year. I hated it.
sure it was a great device to use instead of the computer, but as a phone to carry it was terrible.. too heavy, too big. i hated it every time i went on my bike or did any sort of activity. its like having a brick in your pocket.
i realized i only liked using it when i really would have been even happier just using my actual computer.
a few months ago Costco had a bunch of brand new SE so i snagged a 128gb one and I couldn't be happier.
if apple don't make another phone that is the same size this will be my last iPhone. id rather use a flip phone and take a laptop when i need more functionality than carry a giant phone every day. I might get an iPod touch as my main thing i like my iPhone for is podcasts. if something like the nokia 800 tough comes to canada before a good SE ill buy that and an iPod. a basic phone with a qwerty keyboard even better.
an iPhone 8 sized device is not a SE replacement.
clearly there is a market for SE phones. costco sold thousands of them in every store and they were all gone in a few days. the 6 and 6s they sell are still there clogging up the shelves.
give me a waterproof SE and id be happy. even better keep the 4" screen and chop off the bezels to make it even smaller. id pay premium price for a device like that.
oh, and I wear XXL gloves, so its not a case of small hand syndrome.
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why would someone feel the need to be mad that apple choose to make another SE? if they don't like it they can simply not buy it. its not like they would get rid of the other phones.
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