Kuo: Apple to Use New Scissor Switch Keyboard in Future MacBooks, Starting With 2019 MacBook Air Refresh

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  1. MacRumors macrumors bot


    Apr 12, 2001

    Apple analyst Ming-Chi Kuo believes Apple will do away with its controversial butterfly mechanism keyboard in future MacBooks, beginning with a refreshed MacBook Air later this year.


    In a report obtained by MacRumors, Kuo says Apple will instead use a new keyboard design based on scissor switches, which should provide better key travel and durability than the more failure-prone butterfly keyboard.
    Kuo believes a new scissor switch keyboard will also be used in the MacBook Pro, but not until 2020. Perhaps tellingly, Kuo made no mention of the 16-inch MacBook Pro he has previously suggested Apple will launch later this year.
    Apple's butterfly keyboards are highly controversial and have been called out as one of the company's worst design decisions due to their penchant for failure due to small particulates like crumbs or heat issues.

    Following years of anecdotal complaints from customers, and a few class action lawsuits, Apple initiated a worldwide service program, offering free repairs of 2015-and-later MacBook and 2016 and 2017 MacBook Pro keyboards, which are equipped with low-profile butterfly switch mechanisms.

    Apple in 2018 debuted MacBook Air and MacBook Pro models that use an updated third-generation butterfly keyboard. The third-generation keyboard has a thin silicone barrier behind each key, which was put in place as an ingress-proofing measure to prevent dust from getting in the keys.

    Clearly the hope was that the updated keyboard would cut down on failures, but the 2018 MacBook Pro is still prone to keyboard issues, and Apple acknowledged as much in March.

    Kuo says the new replacement keyboard will be supplied solely by specialist laptop keyboard maker Sunrex rather than Wistron, which currently makes the butterfly keyboards for Apple. The analyst expects the new Sunrex keyboard will go to mass production in 2020 and will make the Taiwan-based firm Apple's most important keyboard supplier.

    Article Link: Kuo: Apple to Use New Scissor Switch Keyboard in Future MacBooks, Starting With 2019 MacBook Air Refresh
  2. Santabean2000 macrumors 68000


    Nov 20, 2007
  3. MrGunnyPT macrumors 6502


    Mar 23, 2017
    This is unbelievable they did it!

    Amazing news you guys
  4. robinp macrumors 6502

    Feb 1, 2008
    So I guess the updated design in the 2019 MacBook Pros haven't fixed it completely then.
  5. ImpulseDOM macrumors newbie

    Apr 4, 2019
    What a time to be alive. Might upgrade my 2015 MBP when these puppies are released!
  6. MacFather macrumors 6502a


    Mar 16, 2012
    Jony Ive’s arrogance and obsession with thinness has cost Apple a ton of money and reputation. I’m glad he is leaving the company later this year, primarily because his editor and curator is no longer there.
  7. alexprib macrumors member


    Apr 13, 2014
    Ever since the return of the expandable Mac Pro I've been hopeful Apple would continue listening to it's customers.
    If this is true, this is great news.
  8. laptech macrumors 6502


    Apr 26, 2013
    Expect a large increase in price as well because i bet having to resort to using a specialist laptop keyboard maker has cost Apple a lot of money
  9. apolloa macrumors G4

    Oct 21, 2008
    Time, because it rules EVERYTHING!
    Kuo staying the obvious again..... I think we all knew Apple would be going back to the standard that’s worked for keyboards for years, because it can’t keep repairing new computers failing every 5 minutes...
  10. fokmik macrumors 68040

    Oct 28, 2016
    Since imac pro, Apple started to act like a mac lovers again...imac pro, now mac pro and apple xdr and now the future of the macbook line has hope again
  11. torana355 macrumors 68040

    Dec 8, 2009
    Sydney, Australia
    Good move by Apple, I just purchased a 2018 MBA a few days ago if I have many issues with the keyboard ill upgrade to the new model. Hopefully the new design is similar to the magic keyboard, I really love typing on them.
  12. apolloa, Jul 4, 2019
    Last edited: Jul 4, 2019

    apolloa macrumors G4

    Oct 21, 2008
    Time, because it rules EVERYTHING!
    Ive will have been the one to implement this change... they haven’t suddenly decided this, got contracts drawn designed and tested and put into production a new keyboard over night.... and how do you know it wasn’t Ive who came up with this plan?
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    They are switching from one specialist keyboard maker to another, it’s in the report.. I doubt it’ll cost more, most likely cost less as it’s proven well used technology.
  13. x-evil-x macrumors 601


    Jul 13, 2008
    apple releases a new materials keyboard for the 2019 macbook pros and then releases all new keyboard to other lines 3 months later? Yeaaa, not buying it.
    Why would they put more $$$ into one year when they plan on releasing newer keyboards in the same or even following year?
    They would of just ran the 2018 keyboards for one more year to save that r&d on fixing the butterfly keyboards.
  14. Agit21 macrumors regular

    Mar 9, 2016
    Oh so the butterfly models will all drop in value. Good luck selling them.
  15. MacFather macrumors 6502a


    Mar 16, 2012
    Hopefully, a removal of gimmicky OLED strip is next on the list.
  16. Khedron macrumors 65816

    Sep 27, 2013
    Butterfly is dead. Just like AirPower, except they still took people's money for butterfly.
  17. djcerla macrumors 68000


    Apr 23, 2015
    Mind to read the report? The scissors keyboard costs less and that's why Apple is adopting it.
  18. -BigMac- macrumors 68000


    Apr 15, 2011
    Melbourne, Australia

    But the butterfly keyboard is the most courageous keyboard ever made???
  19. GekkePrutser macrumors 6502a


    Aug 18, 2005
    Barcelona, Spain
    Doesn't mean the MacBooks won't become more expensive. Apple is not one to give profit margin back to the customer.
  20. Clockworkz macrumors member


    Sep 30, 2018
    Las Vegas
    Well damn, I bought the MBA just about a week ago. Now I’m faced with keeping the one I have and trading it in later or just returning it all together and waiting.
  21. ColdShadow macrumors 65816


    Sep 25, 2013
  22. GekkePrutser macrumors 6502a


    Aug 18, 2005
    Barcelona, Spain
    Exactly. I was worried about this when Steve Jobs died and left Ive a blank check. https://www.macrumors.com/2011/10/2...o-give-jony-ive-complete-operational-freedom/

    Since then MacBooks have become only form over function. I also think it was Jobs keeping him in check.
  23. pika2000 macrumors 603

    Jun 22, 2007
    Jonny Ive left, and now this... Coincidence? I also wonder if this is to coincide with another redesign (with a debut of the 16" model).
    Anyway, hopefully we will have more reliable keyboards in the future.
  24. The Samurai macrumors 68000

    The Samurai

    Dec 29, 2007
    Who knew it would take 3 years and 3 generations to figure out it wasn't working well.

    But hey ho, onwards and upwards!
  25. drumcat macrumors 6502a


    Feb 28, 2008
    Otautahi, Aotearoa
    So you all believe this, but you're giving him a pass for the complete whiff on the 16" MBP?

    Kuo is like the weatherman... if he screws up, no one holds him accountable. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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