I’m going to assume that the 2019’s are back in that 5% range if the 2017’s where that much improved. We don’t know the real numbers only Apple does.
https://www.laptopmag.com/articles/apple-macbook-keyboard-failure-rate
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Kuo: Apple to Use New Scissor Switch Keyboard in Future MacBooks, Starting With 2019 MacBook Air Refresh
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https://www.laptopmag.com/articles/apple-macbook-keyboard-failure-rate
Again, if Apple wants to put the issue to rest, they can simply release the numbers/statistics for failures. Until they do that, I’m going to go with what my experience has been with the butterfly keyboards, which has been that they are not reliable. Just saying, “a small number of people have this issue” is not enough.
That's right Apple, make the MacBook Air great again and bring back its once legendary status.
Like so many others I'll only purchase a new MacBook Pro once that miserable keyboard is gone. I do already own a semi-recent MacBook Pro with the butterfly keyboard (purchased for me at work) and I hate it of course, but I've never really given the touch bar a try because I use that MacBook Pro with an external keyboard, making the touch bar so inconvenient to reach that I never use it. I'm still open to the touch bar despite all the objections - I guess I need to experience it for myself beforehand.
Yes, I'm guilty.
I should have searched, although, the last place I would do that is at data sucking Google. DDG for the win.Thank you. I read it and the Apple Insider article. I don't think they have sufficient data to know the failure rate. Only Apple corporate would have a large enough sample and sales figures to understand the true or approximate rate. The Genius Bar would not have enough data as a basis for any solid conclusion.
I'm not saying the rate isn't high, as obviously it is. Those numbers just don't seem appropriate.
A lot of the fans were/ are the most scathing about the KB (those who really care about Apple screwing up a hitherto sublime user experience) it's the fanatics (and probably those who invested a big chunk of change in a new machine and didn't want to see any evil) that were defending it... Of all the TB design machines, I think only the 2018s have had significant thermal issues - the 2016s ran a little on the toasty side, the '17s had cooler Kaby Lake chips which largely fixed that, the '18s demonstrated what happens when you design a machine around a quad-core 14nm->10nm product pipeline and are then given hexa-core 14nm chips that don't even stick to their 45W TDP properly like you could rely on the previous ones to do, and finally the 2019s show how far a little bit of optimisation can go to solving such a problem (as long as you don't need Bootcamp)!
No. It is down to stubbornness. If developers and others using certain terminal emulators are complaining because they don’t have a physical function row I can understand that but not for crap like changing the volume or pressing play.
The control strip is fine. It has everything you need. When playing back video/audio you can easily scrub through it which is fantastic. This is much more versatile than the old keys. Buy a Magic Keyboard for home use if you don’t like it or go with the weaker MBA or 2017 base 13”.
Or, you know, the controlstrip is gimmicky ******** and the butterfly keyboard is worthless. Lets see what Apple sales and re-design tell us, shall we? We can have this discussion in a year.
I don’t care what the masses think. Take a look at the current top 40 chart and what the masses think is good music. I’ve read dozens and dozens of comments of people attacking the current MBPs for not being “pro enough” yet picking up a 2015 rMBP or a damn MBA! So what was pro? Type-A ports and an SD card slot?
The 2018 and 2019 keyboards were already a huge improvement over the original 2015 design yet the same people manage to break it again and again while my 2016 15” still has its original keyboard in perfect condition. Then again I’m a clean person and don’t eat crap while using a computer.
No!... what about giving people choice. ? its the same when displays moved from matte to glossy.
"things not getting stuck in between keys' is a manner of preference.. All you gotta do is not eat over a keyboard.
Lucky,for me i don't buy anything from Apple no more, except cables...
"things not getting stuck in between keys' is a manner of preference.. All you gotta do is not eat over a keyboard.
Lucky,for me i don't buy anything from Apple no more, except cables...
I don’t care what the masses think. Take a look at the current top 40 chart and what the masses think is good music. I’ve read dozens and dozens of comments of people attacking the current MBPs for not being “pro enough” yet picking up a 2015 rMBP or a damn MBA! So what was pro? Type-A ports and an SD card slot?
The 2018 and 2019 keyboards were already a huge improvement over the original 2015 design yet the same people manage to break it again and again while my 2016 15” still has its original keyboard in perfect condition. Then again I’m a clean person and don’t eat crap while using a computer.
I’m extremely clean. I don’t eat around my computer or type on it unless my hands are clean. My keyboard broke in 5 months. This stupid attitude needs to stop. It has nothing to do with being clean and/or eating around the computer. The stupid switches just break. I asked the Genius at the Apple store how I could prevent it from happening again, and he said there’s nothing you can do. It has to do with the design. Granted, he is just speaking to what he’s seen, but that still says something to me, especially based on my own experience.
Much less versatile, you mean.
With keys, I could adjust volume and brightness, control media playback, etc. all without having to look away from the screen.
Interesting sunrex makes water proof keyboards also. If there the company that's actually going to be making them
http://www.sunrex.com.tw/en/p-detail.php?id=1
http://www.sunrex.com.tw/en/p-detail.php?id=1
I don’t care what the masses think. Take a look at the current top 40 chart and what the masses think is good music. I’ve read dozens and dozens of comments of people attacking the current MBPs for not being “pro enough” yet picking up a 2015 rMBP or a damn MBA! So what was pro? Type-A ports and an SD card slot?
The 2018 and 2019 keyboards were already a huge improvement over the original 2015 design yet the same people manage to break it again and again while my 2016 15” still has its original keyboard in perfect condition. Then again I’m a clean person and don’t eat crap while using a computer.
Not really making an argument for anything here. Anyhow, it seems Apple is on my side.
As Jony Ive said (as a response to getting fired), I’m out!
Put the lit Apple logo back on the lid so I know it’s real.
You know there are apps you can have a lot more control of the touch bar? I use 3 finger volume scrub(anywhere on the touch bar) and 2 finger scrub for volume. You can also add haptic feedback to it and customize it in ways you can actually use. Its a big upgrade from a physical key bar imo.
https://appleinsider.com/articles/1...-the-app-the-macbook-pro-with-touch-bar-needs
Can we get a "HURRAH"!
Has Apple finally achieved consciousness about this keyboard situation?
Coincidence that Jony Ive is leaving?
I hope this is a sign for a better Apple future.
[doublepost=1562496738][/doublepost]Apple bang on about recyclable materials, the environment and climate change yet they release products that require constant repairs and replacements. Look at the money and resources that it takes to replace a butterfly keyboard! Just imagine the amount of waste generated by the butterfly keyboards that they have insisted on using for the last four years.
Has Apple finally achieved consciousness about this keyboard situation?
Coincidence that Jony Ive is leaving?
I hope this is a sign for a better Apple future.
[doublepost=1562496738][/doublepost]Apple bang on about recyclable materials, the environment and climate change yet they release products that require constant repairs and replacements. Look at the money and resources that it takes to replace a butterfly keyboard! Just imagine the amount of waste generated by the butterfly keyboards that they have insisted on using for the last four years.
And this is why so many people have trouble here. They use their experience as a basis for the overall reality.
If the keyboards were nearly as bad as described on this forum, Apple would have halted production and redesigned far earlier.
Since they didn’t, it just want as big of an issue as this forum would have you believe.
That was surely a nice touch and an easy way to distinguish the product from other laptops. Strange that they did away with it - I know they used a side effect of the backlight for it and the tech changed but couldn't they have just put an LED in there?
Who else gets rid of their trademark looks?
More likely, because all the current MacBooks are tightly designed around the dimensions of the butterfly keyboard, they needed to exhaust all the possibilities for "fixing" the feel and reliability of the butterfly design before backtracking to a (thicker) scissor mechanism, which would entail substantially changing the design of 5 different MacBook models. I'm sure tooling up to produce those Unibody cases isn't cheap and that they budgeted for 3-4 years between major re-designs.
...also, they probably don't want to change the MacBook range case design until Intel finally get the 10nm chips out of the door, so they can take advantage the new (hopefully cooler-running) chips... otherwise they might have to make the new MBPs thicker to accommodate the keyboard... oh, the humanity!
(NB: I just hope they fix the Intel MacBook range before any hypothetical switch to ARM so that there's still a credible x86 option during the transition and people aren't forced to switch - or jump ship - on day 1).
I quite like the more modern sleeker inlaid stainless steel logo with surrounding aluminum personally. I think it looks classier. Just like the home button was iconic the new iphones look much better without all those bezels.