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I remember when the Apple TV (an actual Smart TV) was 'imminent' lol. Whenever it arrives we'll know about it from the hundreds of thirsty YouTubers who churn out videos with the standard shocked face thumbnails :rolleyes:
I’ve commented this before on previous posts also. In Steve Jobs biography it says one of the last things he did was ‘crack’ the TV issue. It never panned out.
 
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I am curious to see where Apple thinks their AR/VR headset fits into their business model because AR/VR headsets have been around for a number of years now, mainly Hive and Oculus but neither of them have appeared to prosper outside of the gaming market so it makes me think where does Apple think it's headset will succeed in a market that already has two well established AR/VR headset makers.
Spot on. I suspect the most interesting aspect of this AR/VR headset will be the application. If this is just a "better" Oculus headset then it'll fail. Apple will need to find a "killer" application that is not gaming. ASi GPUs are not built for gaming so it's hard to imagine they would go that direction.
 
I’m with Kuo on this one, keeping competitors from learning details they can already read in the plethora of published Apple patents about the headset (and probably hear from supply chain insiders) is more valuable than demoing it in person to the press or at least kicking off the development of apps for realityOS. There’s always WWDC 2023 for that, it would definitely be good for the headset to go half a year without third party software to speak of.

Booo… Apple is late as usual with this one, they will bring a more expensive and restrictive version that other competitors have already in the market.
 
Booo… Apple is late as usual with this one, they will bring a more expensive and restrictive version that other competitors have already in the market.

Apple’s headset is going to have at least one completely new design feature that competitors will shamelessly copy: an outward facing display (to display your Memoji eyes and other stuff). In the coming years just watch every VR headset maker suddenly “realize” that that’s the way a VR headset is supposed to look like, just like when they “realized” every smartphone was supposed to look like an iPhone. It’s funny how they “realize” obvious stuff (“C’mon, that’s obvious, how else is a smartphone supposed to look like? How else is a tablet supposed to look like? How else is a laptop supposed to look like? How else is a VR headset supposed to look like? Stop saying they copied Apple”) always after Apple has already done it.
 
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Spot on. I suspect the most interesting aspect of this AR/VR headset will be the application. If this is just a "better" Oculus headset then it'll fail. Apple will need to find a "killer" application that is not gaming. ASi GPUs are not built for gaming so it's hard to imagine they would go that direction.
I think the only thing Apple will have going for it once it's released is that software developers will be able to write Apple OS versions of stuff that is already out there for Windows and Linux.

Now I know this next bit is purely dependant on the individual but one thing I have noticed with VR is the limited amount of time people can use it before they start to get headaches or eye strain or motion sickness. I had the Oculus Development Kit 2 and many of my family members and friends tried it out and the most anyone could last wearing it was 40mins. I only wear it now for playing DCS (Digital Combat Simulator) and Project Cars and the most length I've been able to wear it for is 1hr before headaches and eye strain start to kick in.

I am therefore wondering if health implications are a factor as to why VR has not taken off as much as supporters of the technology thought it would.
 
1. Make up rumors
2. Claim that it won't be announced so no verification possible
3. Continue making up the rumors
4. ...
5. Profit
 
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The real "thing" is there is NO WAY, Apple can release this as a "new" product, until they offer a "Developer Edition" first. If not the Goggles will completely fail, and Apple knows this. They KNOW there is going to be an App Store for these, unlike what they thought with the iPhone and Watch, which eventually got an App Store.

Developer Edition first! Gotta be...
 
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Gimmick garbage.

Remember MR users touting ARkit as "game changer" ?
Ah yes, AR - a technology that could allow people to do almost any physical task with little to no prior knowledge thanks to AR overlays, and augment your sense of sight and hearing beyond human limits is a gimmick.

Ah yes, VR - a technology that could allow people to go to any real or fictional place, have all sorts of experiences/activities in that place, and share it with other people, and have it feel like it's happening face to face is a gimmick.
 
I hope they release at least the software, to get developers to start creating apps.

Are we ever going to get anything out of LiDAR, or are we just measuring things and that’s it. I know it was suppose to tease, and get people excited about VR and AR. But it seems people are just excited to see the hardware, I don’t think they’re interested purchasing it, and understanding it’s usability.
 
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Ah yes, AR - a technology that could allow people to do almost any physical task with little to no prior knowledge thanks to AR overlays, and augment your sense of sight and hearing beyond human limits is a gimmick.

Ah yes, VR - a technology that could allow people to go to any real or fictional place, have all sorts of experiences/activities in that place, and share it with other people, and have it feel like it's happening face to face is a gimmick.
Just went outside and the graphics are amazing, I was even able to interact with dogs, odd.
 
Disappointing to hear. This is the rumored product that most has my curiosity right now. I’m extremely eager to see how this product will improve upon existing VR/AR products. I think there are a lot of great VR applications/potential for applications beyond games, but it’s had too much difficulty becoming mainstream for whatever reason. And AR has maybe even greater potential but AR headsets are barely even a thing. I'm hoping Apple’s product changes the game and brings both into the mainstream to really see the platforms develop.
Considering everything else is painfully iterative, this being the only truly innovative project they have going, seeing it go to 2023 or later is really disappointing. WTF are they doing over there? Besides trying to find ways to milk dollars out of the least amount of output?
 
They desperately need to dump Tim Cook for someone who has a go go go mentality. This guy's only goal is to find ways to release as little as possible while still making money.
 
Just went outside and the graphics are amazing, I was even able to interact with dogs, odd.
Cool. How about Spain? The Eiffel tower? Can you just walk outside and reach those?

And how was that restaurant you went to? Noisy? Maybe AR glasses could filter out background noise or something. Maybe you wanted to see the menu with lifesized hologram portions of the food before entering.
 
Considering everything else is painfully iterative, this being the only truly innovative project they have going, seeing it go to 2023 or later is really disappointing. WTF are they doing over there? Besides trying to find ways to milk dollars out of the least amount of output?
This is hard tech. Fitting an M1/M2 chip into a small headset with tons of cameras for tracking, with high resolution displays, heat dissipation, and optical challenges to overcome, it's no wonder it's taking long.
 
announcing it too early would see Apple's competitors "immediately kick off copycat projects" and release rival products before Apple's headset hits the shelves.

So what takes Apple 10 years to develop, it takes other companies a few months
 
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Cool. How about Spain? The Eiffel tower? Can you just walk outside and reach those?

And how was that restaurant you went to? Noisy? Maybe AR glasses could filter out background noise or something. Maybe you wanted to see the menu with lifesized hologram portions of the food before entering.
Nice, how about the stars? the moon? Told Elon Apple would be a better buy but his iCloud didn't sync.

For the noise it's ok, I carry my medieval helmet with an apple sticker & polishing cloth in my pocket.
 
Nice, how about the stars? the moon? Told Elon Apple would be a better buy but his iCloud didn't sync.

For the noise it's ok, I carry my medieval helmet with an apple sticker & polishing cloth in my pocket.
One of the neat things about VR is when we finally land on Mars, millions of people at home will be able to explore Mars through VR.

Though I feel like you are trolling now.
 
This is hard tech. Fitting an M1/M2 chip into a small headset with tons of cameras for tracking, with high resolution displays, heat dissipation, and optical challenges to overcome, it's no wonder it's taking long.
Excuses. It is taking so long because Tim Cook will not release a single thing until they absolutely have to.
Ah yes, AR - a technology that could allow people to do almost any physical task with little to no prior knowledge thanks to AR overlays, and augment your sense of sight and hearing beyond human limits is a gimmick.

Ah yes, VR - a technology that could allow people to go to any real or fictional place, have all sorts of experiences/activities in that place, and share it with other people, and have it feel like it's happening face to face is a gimmick.
So why hasn't it done any of it? Because until a real product comes along that can take advantage of it, it is indeed just a gimmick. VR is gaming gimmick that is pretty bad, and makes most people nauseous. AR needs glasses, or it's useless. No one is going to have an AR experience by holding a viewfinder up to their face.

AR efforts to this point are a total failure. VR efforts to this point are niche gaming at best.
 
One of the neat things about VR is when we finally land on Mars, millions of people at home will be able to explore Mars through VR.

Though I feel like you are trolling now.
I am, but you make good points, it's just the child in me excuse me.

If some of the things you mention actually take off, it may be worth the "game changer" label. However, I feel it's still somewhat gimmicky to be honest, considering it's been around for years already, but we'll see in the future.

The potential is there for sure.

But anyways, thanks for keeping it an adult interaction. ?
 
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