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It’s a ridiculous non starter of a comparison. Vision is a massive headset without an urgent use case. It’s NOTHING like sunglasses. Equating them is disingenuous. Sunglasses and eyeglasses have an immediate and critical use case. A face computer does not. Glasses and sunglasses are socially acceptable because they’re a necessity. Vision is not.

You’ve proven nothing. There is no evidence that people generally want a computer on their face.

Oh, and next time? Feel free not to include the personal insults.

Future iterations of the Vision Pro is what we were originally talking about. Nice weak sauce attempt as at a redirect though.
 
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Future iterations of the Vision Pro is what we were originally talking about. Nice weak sauce attempt as at a redirect though.

The vision system won’t ever fit into standard glasses frames. Sorry. And no, I haven’t redirected at all. I’ve addressed each of your comments point by point, which is a big problem… for your argument.
 
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unless you yourself are disabled this is a really weird pivot.

Fit into that category. Don't understand why it is a "weird" comment or was considered offensive. The intent of the post was to point out that the VP allows people, impaired or not, to experience things that they could/would never do in real life. Since you posted on a VP forum it sounds as if it is of interest to you, but it is not possible for you to use once available?
 
Fit into that category. Don't understand why it is a "weird" comment or was considered offensive. The intent of the post was to point out that the VP allows people, impaired or not, to experience things that they could/would never do in real life. Since you posted on a VP forum it sounds as if it is of interest to you, but it is not possible for you to use once available?

It does? Can you point to some actual instances of this in the real world?
 
Don't understand why it is a "weird" comment or was considered offensive.

Agreed. Perhaps you should ask.

The intent of the post was to point out that the VP allows people, impaired or not, to experience things that they could/would never do in real life.

How would you know what others could/would never do in real life? Have you ever tried asking them?

Since you posted on a VP forum it sounds as if it is of interest to you, but it is not possible for you to use once available?

Do you not notice that even when you form a question, you tend to phrase it declaratively as though it were a sentence? This is off putting to me. It's up to you to learn why, on your time and not mine.

But I'll answer your question in spite of your tone:

Here I think you are conflating a desire to own or interest in a specific product with interest in the general discourse about the direction of technology and its impact on society.

I don't use any of the products my company sells. My field is data analytics and I am also an investor. So what I am interested in is quantifying business metrics and business opportunities.

I have no desire to own any VR/AR/MR product, let alone AVP. I can in principle use VR/AR/MR. There's nothing about my disability that prohibits this. But it's not useful to me because it can't do any of the things I want it to do (which have nothing to do with overcoming limitations of my disability); simulating experiences doesn't fall anywhere near the list of things I'd want VR/AR/MR to do.

Regardless, I am a very late adopter of technology. I cook on a flame with pans. I keep notes by pen. I have a mechanical wristwatch. I wear Oxford dress shoes. These are all technologies that have been around for at least 200 years.

I don't chase trends. I analyze them. That is the extent of my interest.
 
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I won't be around for that. But even if I were, jokes aside, the point of the anecdotes is that I don't want a simulated anything.

The thing I like about a keyboard is that it puts distance between me and the tech I'm using... it can only read whatever input I give it.

Part of the reason I'm back here, on a message board, is that I hate the content prioritization and AI systems trying to monetize my every move on social media. I'm tired. Very tired.

I wear a mechanical watch. I cook with my bare hands and pans on open flame. I don't have a Fitbit. I don't use fintech apps... been with the same financial institution for 30 years. I don't even invest in tech companies.

I'm the exact opposite of the perfect candidate for VR. I only work with technology because I have to. I don't like what technocracy is doing to us.
At least you’ll be busy indoors and avoid new unfortunate accidents.
 
Why indoors? I don’t get it.
It was just a joke. Earlier you mentioned you had accident with your BMX, then a window, garage, patio, etc.
So I was stating you'll be safer in a virtual world. I'm glad you were able to overcome all those unfortunate events.
One of my cousins would frequently smash his fingers with something (at the playground, doors at home, car doors, hammer, etc.), poor guy; now he's a web designer.
 
It was just a joke. Earlier you mentioned you had accident with your BMX, then a window, garage, patio, etc.
So I was stating you'll be safer in a virtual world. I'm glad you were able to overcome all those unfortunate events.
One of my cousins would frequently smash his fingers with something (at the playground, doors at home, car doors, hammer, etc.), poor guy; now he's a web designer.

I understand that it was a joke but I wasn't sure that you understood the point of my sharing those anecdotes.

I don't want to use technology to insulate myself. I want to have real experiences that are my own.

That doesn't mean I'm technology averse, but AR/VR/MR isn't going to do things that I find useful any time within my lifetime. The technology to make it useful to me doesn't exist yet.
 
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Another AirPods Max.
I’ve been saying this from the very beginning.

I just don’t understand how delusional some people on this forum are.

Vision Pro can’t be a hit at $3500.

The writing on the wall is that mass adoption may not likely ever happen.

I expect Apple to create ar glasses.

Just you wait all - Apple Vision Pro is just a dev kit.
 
I’ve been saying this from the very beginning.

I just don’t understand how delusional some people on this forum are.

Vision Pro can’t be a hit at $3500.

The writing on the wall is that mass adoption may not likely ever happen.

I expect Apple to create ar glasses.

Just you wait all - Apple Vision Pro is just a dev kit.

Doubt it.
 
What will make it useful?

To clarify one thing: I am speaking here not of what I think will drive adoption generally. I am only following my comment (emphasis added):

The technology to make it useful to me doesn't exist yet.

Also, to stress the "doesn't exist yet" part... none of what I'm about to describe exists. I know that I can buy this extension, that plugin, duct tape, popsicle sticks, usb thumb drives, read the Lord of the Rings Appendices and the Star Wars EU novels, but that doesn't solve my problem. The technology that doesn't exist yet is the AI to self-contain ALL of this in one seamless system that for all intents and purposes is completely transparent to me and what I'm interacting with may as well be a human assistant. With that in mind:

I would use MR if it could anticipate my needs, basically Jarvis-from-Iron Man level AI... a personal assistant. I'm running low on milk. Jarvis orders it. Air filter in the car needs replacing, service scheduled. I had a conversation with two managers in finance about a systems issue and probably need to talk to IT Ops to fix, meeting scheduled. There's 75% chance that my right kidney is inefficient, diagnostic bloodwork scheduled, appointment time, directions, etc., added to my calendar. Carbon Monoxide filter in the hallway batteries are low, ordered replacement. Contractor working on my kitchen says it's going to cost $12,000 more than planned. Arguing is a waste of my time, so Jarvis does the arguing for me... and to do this all in the background and give me a periodic update like a real employee, instead of prompting me for input constantly.

EDIT: The visual element of this would not be a barrage of graphics... that isn't that useful to me. It's really about harmonizing between visual input and systems input to intelligently identify issues that need addressing. Visual markers may be useful to some extent, but it's been my experience with UI/UX that all the complexity is really under the hood and not in the display of what Edward Tufte called chartjunk.

And it—camera, display, GPU/APU, battery, everything, etc.—has to be all sandwiched into prescription lenses that can be cut to fit any frame of my choosing (just like normal prescription lenses), which currently is this:

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This frees me up to live more of my life instead of working 16 hours a day.
 
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To clarify one thing: I am speaking here not of what I think will drive adoption generally. I am only following my comment (emphasis added):



Also, to stress the "doesn't exist yet" part... none of what I'm about to describe exists. I know that I can buy this extension, that plugin, duct tape, popsicle sticks, usb thumb drives, read the Lord of the Rings Appendices and the Star Wars EU novels, but that doesn't solve my problem. The technology that doesn't exist yet is the AI to self-contain ALL of this in one seamless system that for all intents and purposes is completely transparent to me and what I'm interacting with may as well be a human assistant. With that in mind:

I would use MR if it could anticipate my needs, basically Jarvis-from-Iron Man level AI... a personal assistant. I'm running low on milk. Jarvis orders it. Air filter in the car needs replacing, service scheduled. I had a conversation with two managers in finance about a systems issue and probably need to talk to IT Ops to fix, meeting scheduled. There's 75% chance that my right kidney is inefficient, diagnostic bloodwork scheduled, appointment time, directions, etc., added to my calendar. Carbon Monoxide filter in the hallway batteries are low, ordered replacement. Contractor working on my kitchen says it's going to cost $12,000 more than planned. Arguing is a waste of my time, so Jarvis does the arguing for me... and to do this all in the background and give me a periodic update like a real employee, instead of prompting me for input constantly.

EDIT: The visual element of this would not be a barrage of graphics... that isn't that useful to me. It's really about harmonizing between visual input and systems input to intelligently identify issues that need addressing. Visual markers may be useful to some extent, but it's been my experience with UI/UX that all the complexity is really under the hood and not in the display of what Edward Tufte called chartjunk.

And it—camera, display, GPU/APU, battery, everything, etc.—has to be all sandwiched into prescription lenses that can be cut to fit any frame of my choosing (just like normal prescription lenses), which currently is this:

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This frees me up to live more of my life instead of working 16 hours a day.

Edit: never mind. We agree.
 
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I guess it gives people enough time to pay off the Vision Pro they have now so they a ready for a new load for the next release.
 
But we want it to don’t we?

Or is the Vision Pro just a bridge to another product?

What are we missing?

I don’t know if we want it to or not. At the moment I don’t see any practical use for it that isn’t already available in a better device that doesn’t have to be on your face.

What “we” are missing is that Apple can and does make mistakes and that Vision appears very likely to be one of them.
 
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