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With regards to the cellular Series 3 - it's also the only Stainless Steel option.

I had stainless steel for Series 1 and it scratched horribly. I bought aluminum for Series 2 and it looks brand new - but I have a small nick on the display. I’m going to give ceramic (gray) a shot for Series 3. I hope the ceramic is as scratch resistant as they suggest. The sapphire crystal clearly held up better than glass.
 
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Scalpers are on the high on this one. Expect to see these on eBay for almost double the price because of the shortage and holiday season.
 
I'm just happy that there is an 8+, so I can have a TouchID and a good size screen when I replace my 7+ in a year or so. While the X technically has a 5.8 screen, between the iNotch, curved corners and no home button that eliminates the bottom as a feasible place for controls, actual usable screen area is no bigger than an 8. It's a nightmare to program for (landscape mode? ouch...) too. But hey, it's Apple, so IT'S AWESOME!
 
I had stainless steel for Series 1 and it scratched horribly. I bought aluminum for Series 2 and it looks brand new - but I have a small nick on the display. I’m going to give ceramic (gray) a shot for Series 3. I hope the ceramic is as scratch resistant as they suggest. The sapphire crystal clearly held up better than glass.

I also had the SS for the original Watch, for about 17 months until the Series 2 launched. It got scratched up quite a bit, but it suited the steel. Went with SS again for Series 2 which I've had for a year now and it's held up way better than the original. Not sure if something has changed or not. Anyway, I love the ceramic. That new grey one will likely look amazing and hold up beautifully.
 
Same CPU in the X, 8, 8+, so really, aside from a bit more RAM (We're assuming?), that funky notch blocking out your program or video, and being unable to quickly unlock your phone in your car, stick with an 8.

On the watch side, I'd really like them to boost battery life at some point. Really interested in the heart monitor/notifications in the latest OS, but if you aren't really often able to wear the thing overnight... wait for a three/four day charge before I'll buy one.
 
That’s a tiny bit funny. I really want an iPhone 8 because I really don’t like the notch on the X, and also the price. Can’t wait to see how the X series develops.

Also a side thought. There won’t be an iPhone 11 will there? Or 12, 13 etc. We’ll have a new naming scheme soon I reckon.

I’m also seeing parallels with Nintendo here. In 2004 they launched the first touchscreen games system, the DS, which was supposed to be the 3rd pillar in their hardware lineup. However, it did so well that it quickly became a two pillar system with the Wii and DS. I like it when experimental, advanced things succeed like that. And also= the follow up to the DS was much more elegant and all round better than the predecessor. ;)
 
I had stainless steel for Series 1 and it scratched horribly. I bought aluminum for Series 2 and it looks brand new - but I have a small nick on the display. I’m going to give ceramic (gray) a shot for Series 3. I hope the ceramic is as scratch resistant as they suggest. The sapphire crystal clearly held up better than glass.

Owner of a Series 2 Ceramic here, a year of HEAVY use and wearing without a single mark. Also, I'd look for a Series 2 if you want to be able to wear it for more than 18 hours at a time. I'd try a grey if they got the 3-4 days of use between charges my Series 2 gets (i.e. If they offered a non-LTE model). It isn't worth giving up 72 hours of use per charge to get an altimeter and an hour of talk with LTE on a watch when I'm never away from my phone anyway.
 
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Demand for Apple's high-end flagship iPhone X is "very likely" to cannibalize iPhone 8 pre-orders, predicts KGI Securities analyst Ming-Chi Kuo in a note sent out to investors this morning.

iPhone pre-orders traditionally sell out in September due to high demand, but this year, many models of the iPhone 8 and the iPhone 8 Plus were available for launch day delivery through the weekend, and continue to remain readily available for launch day pickup in Apple retail stores.

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Kuo, like many of us, believes this is because many customers are awaiting the iPhone X. KGI is "positive on demand" for iPhone X and believes the market will be conservative on iPhone 8 and its suppliers in the near term. High demand for iPhone X, which does not launch until November, could impact Apple's fourth-quarter earnings results.As for the Apple Watch Series 3, Kuo says demand for the LTE version of the device was "significantly stronger" than expected, perhaps due to the "low premium of $70" over the non-LTE version of the watch.

He believes pre-order weighting of the GPS + Cellular version of the Apple Watch to be 80 to 90 percent over the non-LTE version, though that prediction does seem somewhat questionable given the limited number of countries where the LTE version of the device was available for purchase.Apple Watch Series 3 models equipped with LTE began selling out within 15 minutes of when pre-orders became available for the device on Friday, September 15. It will now take a good three to four weeks to get one of the LTE Apple Watch models, with no in-store pickup available at this time.

The first iPhone 8, iPhone 8 Plus, and Apple Watch Series 3 orders will begin arriving to customers on September 22, the official launch date for the devices.

Apple plans to begin accepting pre-orders for the radically redesigned iPhone X on October 27 ahead of a November 3 launch date.

Article Link: Kuo: Apple Watch Series 3 Demand Higher Than Expected as iPhone X Anticipation Cannibalizes iPhone 8 Pre-Orders
[doublepost=1505784563][/doublepost]Duh.

In other breaking news from Ming-Chi: iPhone X will be in short supply at launch. He's a genius.
 
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But you're not considering the other benefits of the LTE Apple Watch. You still have the freedom of those who are runners. The Apple Watch can stream your music directly from the Apple Watch to their AirPods. That alone is a fairly compelling feature if somebody wanted it. It's not about answering phone calls, as much as it is notifications and having the freedom of not having your iPhone tethered to you at the gym or when running.



exactly! I had the last watch and quickly returned it not knowing when the lte models would ever come out. fast forward a year later they are here. For me it was the one thing missing from the last apple watch, which made it nothing more than a digital watch. Now it's alot more. Albeit a very cramped environment to maneuver in if you have to while on the go LTE is a huge step forward for the watch. They will fly off the shelves because of it.
 
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Once they announced the iPhone X, updating the 8 and 8 Plus was a waste of time. The Apple faithful will flock to the X. They should have added a smaller version of the X to lower the entry level pricing as I think the £1000 price tag will deter a lot of potential customers.
 
exactly! I had the last watch and quickly returned it not knowing when the lte models would ever come out. fast forward a year later they are here. For me it was the one thing missing from the last apple watch, which made it nothing more than a digital watch. Now it's alot more. Albeit a very cramped environment to maneuver in if you have to while on the go LTE is a huge step forward for the watch. They will fly off the shelves because of it.

Every 5 minutes of LTE data use takes away an hour of it's 18 hour battery life...
 
Every 5 minutes of LTE data use takes away an hour of it's 18 hour battery life...

So about 90 minutes, give or take of LTE usage and the Watch is dead? What an Apple rip off. No wonder people are so blind to buy a device that has limited battery life especially when LTE drains so much of it. This requires more charging as usual and wears out the device, prompting another device purchase making the previous device obsolete in the process.
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That’s a tiny bit funny. I really want an iPhone 8 because I really don’t like the notch on the X, and also the price. Can’t wait to see how the X series develops.

Also a side thought. There won’t be an iPhone 11 will there? Or 12, 13 etc. We’ll have a new naming scheme soon I reckon.

I’m also seeing parallels with Nintendo here. In 2004 they launched the first touchscreen games system, the DS, which was supposed to be the 3rd pillar in their hardware lineup. However, it did so well that it quickly became a two pillar system with the Wii and DS. I like it when experimental, advanced things succeed like that. And also= the follow up to the DS was much more elegant and all round better than the predecessor. ;)

I doubt there is a Nintendo parallel here because they and Apple don't share similar philosophies. Also, as for the name scheming for the iPhone X, it will most likely be 11. They can't just go back and call it 9, and then a 10 again in 2019. That would be mega asinine and retarded. Seriously.

The 8, I believe, IS the last in the series. The new series starting with the X going forward is what, I suspect, Apple is doing. They'll keep the 7 or 8 next year and phase them out around 2019 or so. The next X phone will still be $999 next year while the current X will drop in price by then, but not much.
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I wonder what the price will be next year. Seems to be no limits on what people will pay for an iPhone :D

It will still be $999 or more with next year's X model. The current X will be about $200 cheaper next Fall of 2018. That's my theory. The problem is that it'll conflict with the price point of the iPhone 8s by then.

Also, if people are on a 24 month payment lease for the iPhone X starting at $999 ( plus tax and all that ), their phone bill will be quite high around $100 or so. That's a very expensive phone to pay off within that time. iPhone X should not have been $999 but rather around the $500-700 figure, despite the BS Apple "tax".

If Apple thinks they're not afraid of cannibalizing their own products, they need to think TWICE because it will bite them in the a$$.
 
Apple essentially made the eight just in case no one was happy with the X. The X really should've been the only phone Apple introduced, and the 7s or 8 could've been the budget option. I have a 6 Plus, and I don't have much of a reason to upgrade to an 8. The X is the only phone anyone with a two years old or newer phone should consider.
 
Ugh. X is such a gimmicky, reactionary product, but I'm starting to think its bizarre screen is going to be the new normal for Apple and I'd better get used to it. And I truly despise the 6/7/8 form factor. What's a dev to do?

As in reacting to the market? Possibly, others are going bezel-less but the X has been in development for a long time.

Agree on form factor, I am tired of the 678 look; I have the 7 Plus and it is a great phone, but 1) a little too big and 2) pretty slippery and hard to hold since it is so thin, and 3) the camera bump is pretty annoying.

I'll probably get a case for my future X, but it is one phone I would consider going without one.
 
Once they announced the iPhone X, updating the 8 and 8 Plus was a waste of time. The Apple faithful will flock to the X. They should have added a smaller version of the X to lower the entry level pricing as I think the £1000 price tag will deter a lot of potential customers.

I bought the iPhone 8 Plus. Does that make me unfaithful ;)

Seriously though, it is all about what you want to spend (or what you can negotiate with your spouse to let you spend ;) ). For example, even if I'd had the budget for the X, I might still have gone with the 8+ so I could have also sprung for a pair of AirPods.
 
Implementing the home button into the display would have retained the products identity (the home button was synonymous with the product, like it or not).

Saying they should have added a really cool feature that they're unable to implement is pointless. They also should have implemented a battery that lasts a month and specs 50x faster than the 7... but they can't, so it's silly to say they should've done it.
 
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