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Last year they said no one was buying the X as it was too expensive. But it turned out to be the best selling model. So guess you just take this all with a inch of salt, again.
 
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I upgrade every year. Ordered the XS and expecting it on Friday. My daughter will get my X, and I will sell her 7+ (which was mine two years ago).

Been using this strategy for years.

I’ve also owned every watch. Daughter will get my Series 3, and her Series 2 goes to the good friend who bought my original Apple Watch. I’m going to keep the original. Doubt I would get much money on it, and I’ve always regretted not keeping my original iPhone. Or the iPhone 4... I loved that design!

Those are the two phones that I did keep: Original iPhone and iPhone 4s. You're right, the 4/4s is one of a kind. Love your hand me down strategy also!
 
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This describes my feelings exactly. I will probably get a Xs but I think it will be an impulse buy when cruising an apple store. The Series 4 was/is an INSTA-BUY for me!
Apple Watch 4 is nice! I started off with the Stainless Steel Watch 0 but upgraded a couple months ago to the Series 3 when it was on sale for $500. Just couldn't let the bands go to waste by switching to the 4.
 
Apple failed by not introducing an edge to edge 4 inch phone. Millions would have ordered one on day one. Instead, they can pave the sidewalk of Apple Park with those unwanted phablets...
Is there even enough demand for a 4 inch phone? 5 inch seems to be the standard these days.
 
Apple Watch 4 is nice! I started off with the Stainless Steel Watch 0 but upgraded a couple months ago to the Series 3 when it was on sale for $500. Just couldn't let the bands go to waste by switching to the 4.
Your bands will still fit the series 4. 38 mm bands fit the 40 mm and 42 mm will fit the 44 mm.

Myself I’m not upgrading from series 3 because the ECG features aren’t available in the UK and I’m not that bothered about the redesign.

I will probably upgrade to the max.
 
Your bands will still fit the series 4. 38 mm bands fit the 40 mm and 42 mm will fit the 44 mm.

Myself I’m not upgrading from series 3 because the ECG features aren’t available in the UK and I’m not that bothered about the redesign.

I will probably upgrade to the max.

Really? I gotta read up on this or watch the keynote.
 
Are you seriously caping for tis company to jack the prices up on consumers to make more profit? I'm a huge Apple fan but when you have a phone that costs $1499 in your lineup, that's flat out GREED!

No it’s not. It’s innovation. And that costs money. And it’s not the only option. There are plenty of cheaper iPhone configurations. Is BMW being greedy for selling sedans at 50K and cutting edge electric sports cars at 200K?

No one is forcing you to buy the top of the line product. I have a 7+. I plan on keeping it another year at least. I make my living in software development and guarantee I’m more tech savvy than the majority of people on this forum. And I see no reason to upgrade.

People complaining about prices are the same ones who just want the shiny new bauble every year, which is just stupid and wasteful. If you look at a phone as a three year purchase, even $1500 isn’t terrible when you consider how much it gets used. I bet the average person who owns both a Mac and iPhone uses his or her iPhone much more.

I’m not thrilled about prices going up, but innovation isn’t free. People need to stop looking at phones as a yearly upgrade and treat them for what they are, sophisticated pocket computers designed to last several years.
 
When the ‘standard’ iPhone is now $1000, no kidding sales will be lower than expected. If you’re buying a $1000+ smartphone every year, you’re either rolling in it, or a fool with your money. I think volume on smartphone sales has been plateauing, so in order to keep increasing profits Apple has to go with higher margins on each phone sold. Unfortunately for them, that’s just going to lower volume further. At these prices I’ll be keeping my phones for three years now instead of just two.
 
Apple failed by not introducing an edge to edge 4 inch phone. Millions would have ordered one on day one. Instead, they can pave the sidewalk of Apple Park with those unwanted phablets...
A smaller edge to edge phone would be amazing. The Max is a little too much for me. I'm sure it looks great but I already have a hard time operating the Plus with one hand, can't imagine the Max.
 
With those iPhone XS prices what did they expect. :rolleyes:
You read the article?

“Kuo says iPhone XS Max pre-orders have been in line with expectations, signifying the success of Apple's high-pricing strategy.”

The even more expensive XS Max has good demand.

This isn’t that surprising since the Xs is only an update over the X, which was already the best selling phone in the world and the most popular iPhone.
 
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When the ‘standard’ iPhone is now $1000, no kidding sales will be lower than expected. If you’re buying a $1000+ smartphone every year, you’re either rolling in it, or a fool with your money. I think volume on smartphone sales has been plateauing, so in order to keep increasing profits Apple has to go with higher margins on each phone sold. Unfortunately for them, that’s just going to lower volume further. At these prices I’ll be keeping my phones for three years now instead of just two.

If you’re replacing your phone every year, whatever the make and model, you’re a fool. Period.
 
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I have a X and agree that the XS is a marginal upgrade at best. Probably more attractive to people with older models looking to get current without moving to a large screen but want an OLED panel.

My decision to move to an XS Max is two-fold. First, I really like the big screens and two, I'm with T-Mobile and these new phones are the first from Apple to have radios that will work with the new 600 MHz spectrum TMO is aggressively rolling out. True, it will take a few years before it's done, but they are working on it and as they do, building penetration should improve dramatically. In making my decision I talked with a TMO agent and was told that "all areas in which 700 MHz is broadcast will be covered by 600 MHz by the end of the year".

We'll see.

I also decided to move from an AW3 to a 4 based solely on the EKG functionality. I think that's huge. The increased screen size and the ability to add more complications is a bonus (IMO) as well.
 
I would not be surprised if the XS is not selling well. People will be upgrading mostly towards the XS and XR in my opinion.
 
Complete rubbish. Yes, phones are getting more expensive and maybe they shouldn’t be, but comparing phones to MacBooks is silly. I’d wager that most people use their phone more than their computer. Yet it’s supposed to be cheaper? Why? Newsflash! Your phone IS a computer. It’s not meant to be replaced every year. I think prices are getting high as well, but this will probably lead to more people keeping phones longer, which is a good thing. Upgrading every year is flat out ridiculous, not to mention terrible for the environment. When viewed as a three year purchase, the phone prices are reasonable.
Second this comment. Excellent point!
 
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No it’s not. It’s innovation. And that costs money. And it’s not the only option. There are plenty of cheaper iPhone configurations. Is BMW being greedy for selling sedans at 50K and cutting edge electric sports cars at 200K?

No one is forcing you to buy the top of the line product. I have a 7+. I plan on keeping it another year at least. I make my living in software development and guarantee I’m more tech savvy than the majority of people on this forum. And I see no reason to upgrade.

People complaining about prices are the same ones who just want the shiny new bauble every year, which is just stupid and wasteful. If you look at a phone as a three year purchase, even $1500 isn’t terrible when you consider how much it gets used. I bet the average person who owns both a Mac and iPhone uses his or her iPhone much more.

I’m not thrilled about prices going up, but innovation isn’t free. People need to stop looking at phones as a yearly upgrade and treat them for what they are, sophisticated pocket computers designed to last several years.
Where is the innovation in that phone. I like Apple. I’m most likely going to get the max. I spend more on my phone than any other device because it’s my primary computer. I have a MacBook and 2 iPads but my iPhone is my go to device. However in terms of technology, not experience or ecosystem there are better phones on the market at cheaper prices.
 
Let’s be realistic though, the next couple iterations of the iPhone won’t be dramatically different either.

The iPhone X was like the iPhone 2007, only extremely way better.

Comparing older versions with newer versions, I am expecting an even slower pace of innovation going forward because so much of the necessary low hanging fruits have been picked. Beyond 5G, the usual faster A series and maybe an even better display, what else is there? I was gung ho about the iPhone X partly due to the near all screen design and this obsesssion with Super Retina. But when I compare my 6s with my X, I cannot for the life of me see what is so spectacularly different between the two.

When I compared my brothers iPhone 4 back in 2010 with my iPod Touch (2008) screen, I saw a dramatic difference.

Now, going back to the comparisons:

iPhone X > iPhone 2007
iPhone Xs > iPhone 3G
iPhone 2019 > iPhone 3GS
iPhone 2020 > iPhone 4
iPhone 2021 > iPhone 4s

See the trend here?

Which likely means, we probably won’t see any slightly significant change in the iPhone’s design until 2022, similar to the 2012 iPhone 5.

The issue is, what exactly will a 2022 iPhone even need to do to stand out? I can maybe see Apple bumping the 5.8 to 6.1 and the 6.5 to 6.7. Then what?

I don’t see the iPhone going 128 bit soc a year after, because 64 bit has so much memory leg room already.

iPhone’s will still sell, because people will need new phones and will have a personal preference for the platform. But, the Apple Watch likely need to step up to the plate by then; and Apple will need to have delivered a new category by then. I do hope they indeed deliver something remarkable in eyewear computing. The key is to make that significantly natural. Wearing glasses throughout the day will need to feel transparent and cool at the same time. It can’t be as cool as wearing your RayBans, because that will come across awkward in some environments.

It will need to have some utilitarian purpose. Of course, the next ultimate, will be the Car.

But, one industry I think Apple should show a lot more keen interest in is the medical field. Not just geared towards hospitabl environments, but devices and services geared to actual health/quality of life. It’s the only area for growth.

When I take into account cancer took the founders life, Apple should be spending 10 billion each year on research to tackle that as an ultimate tribute to its legacy and purpose in the world.

"Let’s be realistic though, the next couple iterations of the iPhone won’t be dramatically different either. "

According to Mark Gurman from Bloomberg, Apple is planning major changes for Fall 2019 iPhone lineup. What that entails, who knows

"However, none of the three iPhones will be wholly new designs like the iPhone X was last year or the iPhone 6 in 2014, with some inside Apple labeling the launch as an "S year," a designation the company has given to new handsets that retain the previous design but add new internal features. The company is planning more significant changes for next year, they added."

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...phone-x-design-with-new-colors-bigger-screens
 
Wait, so this is just a research note saying that an analyst’s arbitrary prediction was not inline with real numbers so he is issuing another arbitrary prediction? It doesn’t look like this has anything to do with Apple’s own expectations and subsequent sales.
 
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Very few can discern pixels at 326ppi, no matter how close you hold the device; you need to have near-perfect vision. 326ppi is more than sufficient.
I've always been able to tell the difference going from my iPhone 6s Plus to my older 5s or someone else's 6, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. Apple saw the need to increase the pixel density on the 2014 iPhone 6 Plus for a reason, wouldn't you think?

As for what is sufficient, even a 163 PPI non-Retina display would be, but I wouldn't buy a smartphone with 163 PPI to use in 2018 either.
 
I also decided to move from an AW3 to a 4 based solely on the EKG functionality. I think that's huge. The increased screen size and the ability to add more complications is a bonus (IMO) as well.

If this isn’t too personal, do you have a heart condition that requires regular monitoring? I’m mildly impressed by the ECG function, but question its overall utility. For healthy people, what’s the point? Plus it’s not a full ECG. It’s a single lead. People need to understand that it does not replace a proper ECG, nor does it report nearly as much information. I personally think it’s a gimmick unless you have a condition that requires monitoring, in which case I certainly appreciate the appeal.
 
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Anecdotally, I don't know anyone who has an X (of about 20 people) that is upgrading.

Anyone on here with an X upgrading? To the Xs or to the Xs Max?
Frankly, Apple likely expects this and it makes sense.

The X was already massively popular.

The XS is for prospective new to the premium X lineup buyers, for which many will opt for the larger XS Max.

The Xr will be popular for anyone wanting most of the features at a cheaper price.
 
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Misleading title. Most sentient beings would interpret “iPhone XS seeing lackluster demand” to refer to this generation of offerings. Indeed, the article later qualifies that to state that the demand for the smaller XS seems to be eclipsed by demand for the XS Max.

Look. Many people predicted that the plus models of phones would not sell, when in fact they sold very well. I expect no less with the XS Max. Despite the tiny vocal minority clamoring for a 3” iPhone, from a global perspective, most people want a bigger device.
 
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