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Misleading title. Most sentient beings would interpret “iPhone XS seeing lackluster demand” to refer to this generation of offerings. Indeed, the article later qualifies that to state that the demand for the smaller XS seems to be eclipsed by demand for the XS Max.

Look. Many people predicted that the plus models of phones would not sell, when in fact they sold very well. I expect no less with the XS Max. Despite the tiny vocal minority clamoring for a 3” iPhone, from a global perspective, most people want a bigger device.
Word. Very misleading.

The Max is going to be more popular than the Xs, which I’m sure Apple predicted. The Xs form factor has been out for a year.

The Xr is going to sell like hot cakes.
 
You're just arbitrarily picking and choosing what matters to you and what you think is functional. You comment on performance as being breakthrough for these models, but then dismiss it for newer models. You say Touch ID was a dramatic breakthrough, but don't give remotely the same weight to Face ID by saying "Touch ID was good enough". You give dual-core and 64-bit accolades but don't do the same for motion coprocessors, bionic chips, or neural engines. You don't compare cameras at all. You give the 6's redesign credit while blowing off the X. You credit the screen size and format in the iPhone 5, but brush off the new X screen sizes being so large in such small casings.

The Xs Max is straight up DOUBLE the single core performance of the 6s Plus, and near TRIPLE the multi-core in Geekbench 4. The changes are there, I think you just have some nostalgia glasses on, or even more likely, are just numb to the progress of technology. And it's true, that things are just plain good enough nowadays, but things haven't slowed down quite as much as you say.

Also, Apple was stupid for naming the iPhone 7s the iPhone 8...


I don't want to put words into Fortimir's mouth, but he more or less hit the nail on the head IMHO. My wife had the 6s and 7 (she dropped the 6s in water) and its completely indistinguishable of an upgrade given her relatively ordinary usage. Another person I know went from 7 to the 8 after an accident with it as well, and other than the color change, they reported back it was basically the same phone. For most people, the 6s/7/8 were pretty equivalent. A lot of these 30% faster, etc., improvements don't really show up unless you're heavily taxing the phone in games or some such thing. Some of the other changes (i.e. glass back on the 8) are not game changers. So you pick up wireless charging, eh ok. That's specifically when I'm not using my phone...the cameras on those phone are also fairly similar. Its been pretty incremental.

Now the X is a big jump up, but that's hugely reflected in the price. Previous major flagship changes haven't done that. Its definitely a curious evolution Apple has taken to here. Now phones even in moderately expensive price ranges (like $500-$600) are just old models. The price creep and then jump, over the years has really been astounding.
 
You're just arbitrarily picking and choosing what matters to you and what you think is functional. You comment on performance as being breakthrough for these models, but then dismiss it for newer models. You say Touch ID was a dramatic breakthrough, but don't give remotely the same weight to Face ID by saying "Touch ID was good enough". You give dual-core and 64-bit accolades but don't do the same for motion coprocessors, bionic chips, or neural engines. You don't compare cameras at all. You give the 6's redesign credit while blowing off the X. You credit the screen size and format in the iPhone 5, but brush off the new X screen sizes being so large in such small casings.

The Xs Max is straight up DOUBLE the single core performance of the 6s Plus, and near TRIPLE the multi-core in Geekbench 4.

The switch from nonbiometric passwords to the biometric touch ID (fingerprint scanning that really worked) is pretty clearly, I think, a much more dramatic breakthrough than the switch from one biometric method to another, in some ways better one. And sure the XS Max is twice as fast is the 6S plus, 3 times in graphics -- but that took three generations.

So we have real steps forward, but (in comparison to earlier steps) small steps forward.

Hopefully they come up with much more material uses for the Neural Engine ASAP. Hopefully it will be a big, practical deal down the road, and not just bokeh.
 
Nah. If they had equipped it with last-gen tech like the A11 (which I totally expected them to do), I would agree. But no, it's the Full A12, chipset, Face ID, form factor, and camera tech (wide) compliment. Aside from OLED (which is genuinely expensive tech), 3D touch, and one less camera... you're really not giving up much from the XS (which has a smaller screen even) that is $250 more.

Agreed.
 
Where is the innovation in that phone. I like Apple. I’m most likely going to get the max. I spend more on my phone than any other device because it’s my primary computer. I have a MacBook and 2 iPads but my iPhone is my go to device. However in terms of technology, not experience or ecosystem there are better phones on the market at cheaper prices.

I don’t think anyone on a forum is capable of understanding what goes into designing these devices, myself included. But it’s so easy to sit back and throw stones.

Im not going to argue that cheaper phones exist. Some might be better. So what? That’s the free market. Buy what works best for you. Frankly, Apple has NEVER been a brand for price conscious shoppers.
 
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Here he’s even predicting upto 60% for the XR and upto 30% for the XS Max, which leaves only 10% for the 7, 8 and XS combined. In other words, the XR is absolutely killing the XS.

Would make complete sense and I'm confident Apple knows this too. The way they've priced these new phones should be the clue.
 
Although I'm not doubting that this might be the case, I doubt what Kuo says is based on any kind of data. I think he is only comparing shipping estimates which of course don't mean absolutely anything since nobody knows the real supply.
Agreed. Kuo knows his stuff, but he’s just extrapolating what makes sense.

The Xs is essentially an updated X, which has been out for a year. Why wouldn’t it see lower demand than a new 6.5” screen?

Apple also likely knew this would be the case.

The strategy seems to be to give the Xs and Xs plus a head start (higher margin phones) and everyone who can’t wait will order those.

Then drop the lower priced variant well in time for holiday shopping and let the rest buy the Xr.
 
I think they have jumped the shark on pricing. They have assumed because people like myself bought the X that they will be able to keep selling phones at that price, but they will see diminishing returns on that gamble.

I like many on this site replaced my iPhone every single year and sold my old phone back to Gazelle. When the X was announced, I was very much under the understanding it was a lower volume product because they didn’t have great supplies on the OLED screen and that I was paying to be bleeding edge, and the changes where the future of the iPhone. I very much expected the price of the follow up model to be lower... if they continue selling phones at the $1000-1200 range, my replacement cycle is going to drop from annual to maybe once every 3 years. It’s not like I even really use the gaming or AR features, or expect to use the machine learning capabilities. I stick the the basic apps for financial, web browsing, online stores/local companies, and streaming video. I’m not impressed by larger screens, don’t care about faster games, etc. I just want good battery life, a quality screen, and faster data speeds. I feel like for the most part, the people who can now afford it generally have the features they need and don’t need to upgrade, where as younger people who are more likely to be “high end” gaming or using AR will be less likely to afford it. So who is buying phones at $1200? And more importantly, how many reliable annual upgrader will stick to upgrading annually?

I see what you’re saying, but you have to understand that there are sooooo many people out there that will buy Apple products regardless.

I’m sure Apple is not worried at all. They priced the phones like this for a reason. People are willing to pay and this holiday season will be another record breaker.

You should see the Apple Stores in NYC during October November December.

Something tells me that we might see a price drop next year when the next generation comes out.
 
It's technical the fastest iPhone X, because the GPU doesn't need to render that much pixels and scale it every 60 pictures per seconds. That's huge!

https://www.paintcodeapp.com/news/ultimate-guide-to-iphone-resolutions

Also you get the first time all iPhone Apps in "Plus Layout" but without scaling!

If Haptic Touch is like the TrackPad from MacBook, it's good enough to compensate 3D Touch. If anything, I will be miss the Dual Camera from my 7+, but I only use it because it was there. Instead of 2x Zoom, I would go for 1x and 4x.

"It's technical the fastest iPhone X, because the GPU doesn't need to render that much pixels and scale it every 60 pictures per seconds. That's huge!"

That's an excellent point and thanks for the link
 
KUO missed one thing
Even iPhone xs max is showing a lacklustre performance on pre orders

have you ever seen a Apple flagship lagging so much that you will definitely get a piece on launch day. I bet you walk to most stores uou will get. Apple may do reverse engineering of inventory to reflect demands but it is not there. People who don’t care for $1000 or absolute fanboys with a obession to keep most advanced models will upgrade from iPhone x. Else it doesn’t make a point. People with 2 year old phones will upgrade.


But i am really surprised with Tim leadership skills, he is acting like a money sucking lice..... iPhone 6S had a 10W charging brick but with $1099 price tag Apple supplies us a innovative futuristic awesome 5W charger. No headphone dongle now with iPhone. Will he eat all this dollars. Steve would have never done that..... supplying a 5 w charger with fast charging enabled phone
Where is your data showing Xs Max is showing lackluster performance?
 
The problem with the debut of the iPhone XS, is that unlike previous S releases, there was nothing significantly new over the X to drive demand. No 3D Touch, no Siri, no new form factor, no new camera, etc.
The XS Max is a larger phone that will cater to the 7 and 8 Plus crowd, and the XR has the advantage of lower cost, but the XS? It’s dead in the water. The only thing Apple can do is stop selling the X and force people that want to upgrade to buy the XS. Otherwise, people will just buy the X for a cheaper price than the XS and get what is essentially the exact same phone. And for those of us with the X already? I see no reason to upgrade to the XS.

On the flip side, I have the Series 3 and the Series 4 is a huge upgrade for me. The larger screen with more complications, the new back which now allows me to utilize all the heart and health features which were previously blocked by my tattoo’s, plus the thinner design makes this a no brainer for me.
The Xs has 3D Touch. The Xr does not.
 
Agreed. Kuo knows his stuff, but he’s just extrapolating what makes sense.

The Xs is essentially an updated X, which has been out for a year. Why wouldn’t it see lower demand than a new 6.5” screen?

Apple also likely knew this would be the case.

The strategy seems to be to give the Xs and Xs plus a head start (higher margin phones) and everyone who can’t wait will order those.

Then drop the lower priced variant well in time for holiday shopping and let the rest buy the Xr.

I’m not so sure that was the strategy. The rumor mill says that they are having issues with the display of the Xr. So it’s likely they intended to release all three together.
 
Where is the innovation in that phone. I like Apple. I’m most likely going to get the max. I spend more on my phone than any other device because it’s my primary computer. I have a MacBook and 2 iPads but my iPhone is my go to device. However in terms of technology, not experience or ecosystem there are better phones on the market at cheaper prices.

At the end of the day, it's the experience and ecosystem that matters. And I disagree with there being other cheaper phones with better technology. Apple's processor / sensor design team & technology is 2nd to none.
 
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1.) It is fairly obvious to most that AAPL over-priced the XS by $100 USD ... if it had been priced @ $899 USD for the 64 GB model, "The Story" would very-likely be completely different !

2.) The XR is a BAD product, especially for the price, but we can ALL use it to gauge How Well Informed (OR NOT) AAPL's User Base is !
Apple charges what it believes the market will bear and has generally done so to great success. We heard a lot of this same song and dance last year regarding iPhone X's sales performance and it proved to be a steaming load of bullpucky.
 
You read the article?

“Kuo says iPhone XS Max pre-orders have been in line with expectations, signifying the success of Apple's high-pricing strategy.”

The even more expensive XS Max has good demand.

This isn’t that surprising since the Xs is only an update over the X, which was already the best selling phone in the world and the most popular iPhone.
Yep, my bad but "The even more expensive XS Max has good demand." is not a good sign.
 
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