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The Max is saving the orders this round. Without people wanting that bigger screen and battery life, I don’t see the need to upgrade simply for the Xs. The new colors will draw some orders for the Xr, but a lot of people I’ve talked to are still not sold on the lack of home button, despite the ease of use with the X.
 
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Completely unsurprised by the lack of demand for the iPhone XS. It is a marginal upgrade, not worth spending another 1000.
Reading closely this isn’t “they’re not selling well”, it’s more “I guessed wrong and the better way to say I guessed wrong is to say that sales are lower than expected.”

They’re not lower than what APPLE expected, in fact it could even be higher than Apple had expected. It’s just lower than the number some analyst made up.

I expected them to sell seven, so I can now state that sales are FAR ABOVE EXPECTATIONS!!
 
I don’t think any of this is coming as a surprise to Apple. I had a Gen 0 Apple Watch, upgraded to Series 2 only in Apr 2016 due to needing water resistance. Skipped Series 3. Sold my Series 2 and ordered Series 4, it is a worthy upgrade.

As for iPhones, I’ve upgraded every time since the 4s. I think this time around there just isn’t a need to. 6s was questionable also, and I wouldn’t have gotten the 7 either if I wouldn’t have needed more storage as my 6s was 16gb. So in a sense, nothing’s that different from the past. Apart from 5s with Touch ID, the s upgrades have always been like this. No real need to upgrade or must-have features. Now, with higher pricing, it is especially hard to justify it.

Apple will do just fine and actually I was positively surprised the Xr isn’t a gimped down version with inferior main camera and last year’s processor. It’s a really solid phone.
 
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Here he’s even predicting upto 60% for the XR and upto 30% for the XS Max, which leaves only 10% for the 7, 8 and XS combined. In other words, the XR is absolutely killing the XS.
 
Complete rubbish. Yes, phones are getting more expensive and maybe they shouldn’t be, but comparing phones to MacBooks is silly. I’d wager that most people use their phone more than their computer. Yet it’s supposed to be cheaper? Why? Newsflash! Your phone IS a computer. It’s not meant to be replaced every year. I think prices are getting high as well, but this will probably lead to more people keeping phones longer, which is a good thing. Upgrading every year is flat out ridiculous, not to mention terrible for the environment. When viewed as a three year purchase, the phone prices are reasonable.


Are you seriously caping for tis company to jack the prices up on consumers to make more profit? I'm a huge Apple fan but when you have a phone that costs $1499 in your lineup, that's flat out GREED!
 
Exactly right.

The iPhone 4 gave us retina.
The iPhone 4s gave us Siri and a dual-core CPU.
The iPhone 5 gave us a 4 inch screen with an HD style 16:9 aspect ratio.
The iPhone 5s gave us touch ID and a 64-bit CPU.
The iPhone 6 gave us a complete stylistic re-design that persisted through the iPhone 8.
The iPhone 6s gave us double the memory and almost double the performance of the iPhone 6.

A lot of dramatic, highly functional breakthroughs in that list.

Since then, things have slowed down.

You're just arbitrarily picking and choosing what matters to you and what you think is functional. You comment on performance as being breakthrough for these models, but then dismiss it for newer models. You say Touch ID was a dramatic breakthrough, but don't give remotely the same weight to Face ID by saying "Touch ID was good enough". You give dual-core and 64-bit accolades but don't do the same for motion coprocessors, bionic chips, or neural engines. You don't compare cameras at all. You give the 6's redesign credit while blowing off the X. You credit the screen size and format in the iPhone 5, but brush off the new X screen sizes being so large in such small casings.

The Xs Max is straight up DOUBLE the single core performance of the 6s Plus, and near TRIPLE the multi-core in Geekbench 4. The changes are there, I think you just have some nostalgia glasses on, or even more likely, are just numb to the progress of technology. And it's true, that things are just plain good enough nowadays, but things haven't slowed down quite as much as you say.

Also, Apple was stupid for naming the iPhone 7s the iPhone 8...
 
If this is true, you can see why the SE has been discontinued.

The XR is going to sell very well too, most people imagine. That coupled with Max sales would lead anyone to think that big screen phones are what the market wants.
 
Apple is quite stingy considering the price. $999 and still only a 5 watt charger in the box, no headphone adaptor included, no USB-C cable or adaptor in the box, no wireless charger in the box etc

I mean really for $1000 for a phone it's sparse, very sparse. I think the XS should have been $799 and the new XS Max at $899 with the XR at $699 but that's just me.

I get that Apple spent a lot of development time on the A12 chip and those OLED screens on the XS phones are not cheap but the pricing is just plain bad and the package you get feels barren. I'm not expecting them to include everything I listed just like any two of those items and we got none.

I still don't get how they can get away with not including a faster charger in the box actually it's quite ridiculous to me, nickel and diming at its worst.
 
1.) It is fairly obvious to most that AAPL over-priced the XS by $100 USD ... if it had been priced @ $899 USD for the 64 GB model, "The Story" would very-likely be completely different !

2.) The XR is a BAD product, especially for the price, but we can ALL use it to gauge How Well Informed (OR NOT) AAPL's User Base is !
 
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XR should have had a dual camera system in the back.

Most people I know with dual-camera iPhones don't even know how to use/activate the telephoto camera, anyway. It's just not used by the average consumer (unless using portrait mode), anyway. And at least now you can use portrait mode on the wide camera.
 
I agree and that’s as it should be. The iPhone XR is the new mainstream flagship. The XS and XS Max the new super-premium tier. They exist to satisfy wealthy customers who want a luxury phone. They also help subsidize the bleeding edge tech in the mainstream phone and help to boost ASPs.

I’m definitely getting an iPhone XS Max, but I probably qualify as a wealthy customer.
I'm not wealthy, but I can afford an XS Max at this time. In the future I might not be able to afford such a high end phone. That said, if I can only afford a phone that seems like it had great design or functional features removed from it to be more affordable, I simply won't buy a new phone until I can afford a phone without compromises.

TL;DR; I have OCD and having seen thinner bezels on the XS / XS Max, I can't do the Xr for that reason alone :p
 
Phones are utility tools at this point. Nothing ground shaking in new iterations. People who have older phones like I do (5s) will upgrade but I think people are getting off the annual update treadmill. I think Apple will get a lot of senior citizen android user switchers which will drive Xr sales. They will want the watch for the EKG and fall monitoring and you need an iPhone to setup the watch. The ability to have an on the spot EKG to show your cardiologist is great and benefit of eliminating the 'help I've fallen and can't get up' monitors makes switching to Apple appealing. IMHO
 
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Most people I know with dual-camera iPhones don't even know how to use/activate the telephoto camera, anyway. It's just not used by the average consumer (unless using portrait mode), anyway. And at least now you can use portrait mode on the wide camera.

Sounds like you are caping for Apple on this too? How is the iPhone 7 Plus and 8 Plus camera better than the iPhone XR in 2018? XR is a downgrade plain and simple.
 
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326 PPI has not been premium for at least four years. At $749, I'd expect better.
It's technical the fastest iPhone X, because the GPU doesn't need to render that much pixels and scale it every 60 pictures per seconds. That's huge!

https://www.paintcodeapp.com/news/ultimate-guide-to-iphone-resolutions

Also you get the first time all iPhone Apps in "Plus Layout" but without scaling!

If Haptic Touch is like the TrackPad from MacBook, it's good enough to compensate 3D Touch. If anything, I will be miss the Dual Camera from my 7+, but I only use it because it was there. Instead of 2x Zoom, I would go for 1x and 4x.
 
I got the X and Series 3 Stainless Steel last year. I need to request new 2FA for 40 clients for work if I get a new phone. There wasn’t much of a reason to upgrade. The X is still so solid. Isn’t experiencing the slow downs I’ve seen from numbered and S releases in the past. I’ll keep this for a while. I’m tempted to buy the Series 4 Stainless Steel, though. Trying to not spend another $750 on a watch.
 
Anecdotally, I don't know anyone who has an X (of about 20 people) that is upgrading.

Anyone on here with an X upgrading? To the Xs or to the Xs Max?
Yes, I am upgrading to an Xs Max, same amount of storage space as before though. (256g)
 
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