Hopefully more news outlets will continue to pile on Apple for this debacle. Out of all the bad things that have happened over the last decade with Apple, this has fundamentally shaken my faith in the company.
Or maybe don’t announce the thing in the first place until they get it functioning properly on their devices & then you have evidence to back up your claimsThey haven't released it yet becuase most likely it isn't working the way they want. It would be way way worse for them to release it then have to pull it ...
Citation for the “head of software had doubts it could work”. Are you saying back then Apple knew it wouldn’t work, knew it would be delayed but announced it anyway? It so a citstion is in order because that’s speculation.They announced something back in June that wasn’t even working correctly in the first place & the head software engineer had doubts it could work & yet they still announced it & still put out an advertisement promoting it even though they couldn’t get it working correctly.
Yet they could have worked on this in the background until they got to a point where it started working correctly & either put out a surprise announcement & then the advertisement. That’s the issue
Again why announce something that wasn’t working correctly in the first place & no actual evidence that it could ever work successfullyCitation for the “head of software had doubts it could work”. Are you saying back then Apple knew it wouldn’t work, knew it would be delayed but announced it anyway? It so a citstion is in order because that’s speculation.
Because all they did was announce a future feature. It didnt pan out and they delayed it.
If Tim Cook is not going to make the decision to fire anyone over this debacle, like he did with the Forstall and Maps situation, it falls on him, pure and simple.Right. It’s not one person. But Gurman says Federighi voiced concerns about this stuff not working. The question is who made the call that this stuff had to be announced and marketed even though it wasn’t ready for prime time? Tim Cook? Greg Jozwiak? What was John Giannandrea confidence level with this stuff? Did he think it was ready to ship?
Exactly someone chose to not take the advice of the guy that’s actually in charge of the software & decided to put it out there anyway knowing fine well it wasn’t working correctly.If Tim Cook is not going to make the decision to fire anyone over this debacle, like he did with the Forstall and Maps situation, it falls on him, pure and simple.
What should Apple have done? The way Steve Jobs personally addressed the iPhone 4 antennagate PR crisis back in the day provides a great example.
That's exactly why people care.who cares about the new Siri? Siri sucks and will never be top notch.
Either that, or they may not have owned an Apple product when Apple still gave a **** about the details of day-to-day user experience.
Okay. You cannot prove anything. It’s just that you believe apple knew Siri wasn’t working wwdc 24 and wasn’t going to work.Again why announce something that wasn’t working correctly in the first place & no actual evidence that it could ever work successfully
Yet they still went ahead & announced it in hope that it would work
Not sure what that means. Your next purchase won’t be an apple product? Or you will not upgrade any existing apple hardware?Hopefully more news outlets will continue to pile on Apple for this debacle. Out of all the bad things that have happened over the last decade with Apple, this has fundamentally shaken my faith in the company.
If that was the case it would be working by now & not delayed for about another year.Okay. You cannot prove anything. It’s just that you believe apple knew Siri wasn’t working wwdc 24 and wasn’t going to work.
I believe Apple thought they could get it work at wwdc 24. At the end of the day all they did was announce a delay.
I think what this highlights is, can they be taken at their word? Does this change that assumption? I'd say, on the whole, Apple has delayed but delivered in the past but this year will be a notable exception if the Swift tools and the personalized index is pushed to the next milestone release. They have until the WWDC keynote to make it happen. They put a bulldog project manager in place. Can it be done in 4-5 months if it all started over? Who can say, but the timeline is laid out before them so I'd expect lots of crunch time in the future for all the teams involved. If they can pull this off, to me that shows Apple works best under pressure and perhaps their market-leading status has made them slightly complacent. If it doesn't work in their favor I guess that's a discussion of a different type, and we can really only have it after the fact. Time will tell, people are caught up in the hysteria so it's hard to find the signal in the noise. Reminds me 2021.Okay. You cannot prove anything. It’s just that you believe apple knew Siri wasn’t working wwdc 24 and wasn’t going to work.
I believe Apple thought they could get it work at wwdc 24. At the end of the day all they did was announce a delay.
If that was the case it would be working by now & not delayed for about another year.
This just goes to show that Apple intelligence wasn’t even ready for iOS 18 in the first place & had to push it out because they were seen as losing ground on their competitors hence why we now have this issueThis may be beyond that. Apple Intelligence was the key marketing point for the most recent iPhones. This explicitly included an upgraded Siri. That marketing was highly misleading if not flatly untrue. The way Apple has addressed this to date was with full knowledge of all of those things. This accordingly is not a mere failure such as "Antennagate," but rather a sly coverup. Worse, and as Gruber pointed out, this is clearly indicative of a broader problem that has manifested itself in other ways.
Apple still does many great things, and Tim is entitled to credit for those things, but the rot is real and it is clearly a bing part of what Apple has become. Time for the Board to clean house, starting with bringing in a new CEO. Tim can apologize all he wants, but he owns the rot.
Best quip so far! Along the lines of:Should?
Oh you sweet summer child Apple is perfect they would never deign to own a mistake. That's for mere mortals.
No, because Apple, in good faith, thought they could get it working. You are suggesting they made the announcement in bad faith.If that was the case it would be working by now & not delayed for about another year.
Hence the issue of why it shouldn’t have been announced in the first place back in June 2024
I have had this philosophical conversation more times than I can count.I think what this highlights is, can they be taken at their word? Does this change that assumption? I'd say, on the whole, Apple has delayed but delivered in the past but this year will be a notable exception if the Swift tools and the personalized index is pushed to the next milestone release. They have until the WWDC keynote to make it happen. They put a bulldog project manager in place. Can it be done in 4-5 months if it all started over? Who can say, but the timeline is laid out before them so I'd expect lots of crunch time in the future for all the teams involved. If they can pull this off, to me that shows Apple works best under pressure and perhaps their market-leading status has made them slightly complacent. If it doesn't work in their favor I guess that's a discussion of a different type, and we can really only have it after the fact. Time will tell, people are caught up in the hysteria so it's hard to find the signal in the noise. Reminds me 2021.
Yup. I couldn't replicate the "issue" even when I tried to.Antennagate was a complete nothing burger of an issue.
Here goes: (Thick Tony Soprano accent) ...so I says to Craig 'Hairdo' Federighi; 'You're killing me here! I gotta refill these machines across the entire campus...but I can't coordinate with my guys on account that this new Apple Intelligence thing is a steaming pile of shiet. So now I'm outta 100 grand and I gotta pull Tony 'The Toenail' Dimitrio and his crew out of Buffalo to make up the slack.' Even Luca is pissed and you don't want that heat coming down on you cause he'll kill ya... and then he'll go to work on ya.I really appreciate Kuo weighing in. I'd also like to hear the opinion of the guy who refills the vending machines at Apple campus.
According to people here, you're a dummy for believing Apple marketing. This is on you.I didn't buy the 16PM for the emoji or summarization; I bought it for the improved Siri because I use it and because Apple told me that I would be able to instruct my phone on what to do. That is what Apple has not delivered.
“For me I take Apple at their word”No, because Apple, in good faith, thought they could get it working. You are suggesting they made the announcement in bad faith.
I have had this philosophical conversation more times than I can count.
For me, I take apple at their word. If something is delayed, then it’s delayed. It doesn’t mean I can’t take Apple for their word, because it’s not even about that.