Well that would mean Apple will fall short of their 2 year transition goal for Apple Silicon.
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Kuo: iMac Pro Won't Launch Until 2023, 27-inch External Display Without Mini-LED Coming This Year
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Well this goes against everything we had been told by Dylandkt and had expected.
No iMac Pro this year is a shock. And means most likely it will be quite expensive when it does come in 2023.
Apple will need to update their 27" iMac this year in the meantime. The question becomes will that happen on Tuesday? When it is updated, will it just be a larger version of the 24" iMac? What chip will it offer?
There have been no (non Mini-LED) 27" display rumors until now. Makes sense to see that display on
Tuesday.
No iMac Pro this year is a shock. And means most likely it will be quite expensive when it does come in 2023.
Apple will need to update their 27" iMac this year in the meantime. The question becomes will that happen on Tuesday? When it is updated, will it just be a larger version of the 24" iMac? What chip will it offer?
There have been no (non Mini-LED) 27" display rumors until now. Makes sense to see that display on
Tuesday.
A 27in. iMac may be only 3ins. bigger diagonally than a 24in., but it has 20 percent more display surface area. Also a 30in.+ display would be distinctly more expensive.
Prediction: Apple will give a preview of these machines sometime in the fall, just because they promised a 2 year transition.
Of course it will. Even the M1 is more powerful than the current “high end” Intel model.
Good catch. I’ll buy it if it costs less than my 65” OLED TV. And if it doesn’t make my 2019 MBP 16” melt (if it even supports 6K @60hz).
I call BS on this account being legitimate:
- I would expect the real Ming-Chi Kuo would be Twitter Verified considering his position.
- The account says it was created in March of 2011, but their first tweet was October 2020 announcing their new profile picture and then their next set of tweets are this weekend with recycled Apple rumors.
I guess I’ll see what’s shown here, but I suspect I’ll wait for WWDC before making any buy decisions at this point.
My prediction remains the two "standard" configurations for the Mac mini Pro:
M1 Pro, 8-core CPU, 14-core GPU, 16GB RAM, 512GB - $1299
M1 Pro, 10-core CPU, 16-core GPU, 16GB RAM, 1TB - $1799
Basically chop $700 off the 14" MBP configs.
I wouldn't be surprised if they were higher though.
I don't see anything in the article or comments saying they did so. Could you please point it out? Thanks!
One possibility, based on other recent rumors:
* Direct 27" iMac replacement with M1 Pro/Max => "2022 iMac Pro"
* New high-end iMac with MiniLED => "2023 iMac Studio".
From https://www.apple.com/uk/newsroom/2020/06/apple-announces-mac-transition-to-apple-silicon/ - June 2020
...so (a) it's pretty ambiguous whether the clock started ticking in June 2020 or the end of 2020, (b) there's a string of pretty good excuses as to why world events may have slowed things down by a few months and (c) "transition" means whatever Apple want it to mean: There's already an Apple Silicon option in every laptop category, an Apple Silicon Mini and an Apple Silicon iMac - there are strong rumours of at least one Apple Silicon "professional" desktop (even if it's actually called "studio") later this year. Nobody is going to sue them if they're still selling one or two Intel models come December.
If they do, it would be understandable the most-powerful models would be the last to be updated because Apple is not buying the CPUs and GPUs from other OEMs like when they did the Intel transition, but are instead developing everything internally.
And therefore I now believe think Tuesday will likely see the launch of a 27" iMac model with M1 Pro and M1 Max and a "Apple Thunderbolt Display 5K" with both using the current edge-lit 5K panel as found in the Intel iMac 5K.
And to me, that implies that there will be a separate "iMac Pro" announced at WWDC alongside the Mac Pro with M1 Max Duo / Quadro as the SoCs and miniLED and all the other goodies and it will be significantly more expensive.
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Likely more than the $1099 Intel Mini but less than the 14” MBP ($1999 for 8-core, $2499 for 10-core). I would not be surprised by a starting price around $1599-1799.
There have long been rumors that the Apple Silicon Mac Pro would be smaller than the Intel Mac Pro and that it could have a lower starting price, depending on how it is spec’s. That seems to be what is being called the Mac Studio in this recent rumor.
Re: Mac Pro in 2023 makes some sense if it is the big one, and likely to be announced in November with shipping beginning in January. The Mac Studio -- for the rest of us who prefer an expandable machine -- should be this year. I hope.
M1 Pro / M1 Max and up to 64GB of RAM and 8TB of SSD should serve the significant majority of the desktop macOS market whether said market chooses an AIO (iMac 5K) or separate components (Mac Studio + Apple Thunderbolt Display 5K).
It now seems that the Apple Silicon iMac Pro will be like the Intel model - beast-level SoCs (M1 Max Duo/Quadro) with 128GB and 256GB RAM options and maybe the 32" miniLED display (now that it sounds like the Apple Pro Display XDR will be replaced with a 7K ~40 inch model). All of that means a starting price similar to the $5000 of the Intel model.
It now seems that the Apple Silicon iMac Pro will be like the Intel model - beast-level SoCs (M1 Max Duo/Quadro) with 128GB and 256GB RAM options and maybe the 32" miniLED display (now that it sounds like the Apple Pro Display XDR will be replaced with a 7K ~40 inch model). All of that means a starting price similar to the $5000 of the Intel model.
I don’t understand the disappointment if there is no iMac Pro coming. A lot of us are just reading the current product lines (iPhone Pro, iPad Pro and MacBook Pro) and thinking the iMac Pro is just the next logical step.
Remember the original Intel iMac Pro was just a niche product until Apple could have built the Intel Mac Pro. A hold over until Apple could build the type of machine creative professionals wanted. My boss at work has one on the floor in his office and I’m wondering why?
Apple might be looking at the reality of the market and not seeing the demand for neither a Apple Silicon Mac Pro or iMac Pro. Also, are the apps even ready to take advantage of Apple silicon in such a form factor? I just don’t think the sales are that great to make it an immediate need to build this out right away for what is relatively still a small but important group of users.
If you bought a Mac Pro it’s not even barely 5 years yet to consider replacing it. Apple could easily keep supporting it until 2025 and drop in a replacement when the professional apps are all there for Apple Silicon.
Remember the original Intel iMac Pro was just a niche product until Apple could have built the Intel Mac Pro. A hold over until Apple could build the type of machine creative professionals wanted. My boss at work has one on the floor in his office and I’m wondering why?
Apple might be looking at the reality of the market and not seeing the demand for neither a Apple Silicon Mac Pro or iMac Pro. Also, are the apps even ready to take advantage of Apple silicon in such a form factor? I just don’t think the sales are that great to make it an immediate need to build this out right away for what is relatively still a small but important group of users.
If you bought a Mac Pro it’s not even barely 5 years yet to consider replacing it. Apple could easily keep supporting it until 2025 and drop in a replacement when the professional apps are all there for Apple Silicon.
Or at least 2.5 years. Given that the M1 Pro was already delayed, the dual/quad M1 Pro would be even more so.
I wonder if they've just cancelled the dual/quad M1 Pro and will go straight for the dual/quad M2 Pro now to save time.
It’s actually over 26% larger area. But I believe they are thinking of the old 16:10 30" Cinema Displays, which have 30% more display area than a 16:9 27", or 64% more than a 16:9 24". The 16:9 aspect ratio has really been a step back in terms of square inches.
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I'm just about with you here... slightly more price pessimistic, meaning I'm subtracting only $500 for $1499 and $1999 PROs. However, on up at maxed MAX, I'm applying $700 or so to hit $4999... meaning my speculative guess is $1499 at the low and $4999 at the high. But I'll hope your $700 is correct... because maybe that will get $1000 or so at the maxed MAX level.
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