Kuo: iPad Pro With Rear 3D ToF Camera and Scissor Mechanism MacBooks to Launch in First Half of 2020

[Zdigital2015]

The eGPU via TB3 is metered thus efficiency and speed will suffer, not to mention the fact that most of the video editing software is not really optimized to work with eGPU. Also, I have allot of weird stuff happening when using an eGPU , like multiple disconnects , system slow down etc .
They can take the power brick outside of the mac mini enclosure and make room for a decent graphic .

FinalCut Pro X, DaVinci Resolve and Adobe Premiere all provide ways for the user to specify which GPU to use for rendering. Apple does need to do a better job fixing those nagging bugs that still exist.

Apple is never going to put an external power supply on the current Mac mini form factor to put in a GPU. They ditched those thing in 2010 and they aren't looking back. Should Intel get off their fat ass and put 10th Gen iGPUs in their S-Series CPUs (Desktop) as they offered with Broadwell and Skylake and then simply let languish with UHD Graphics, then Apple would have a pretty decent solution for the Mac mini. After going all in on using desktop CPUs with the mini, I certainly don't want them to backtrack and go back to laptop (U- or H-Series) GPUs.

 

[Brien]

This probably confirms no iPad Pro update this year, I believe. They wont do 2 updates this close.
Looking forward to seeing the 16” MBP

Yeah, wonder if that means no October event after all.

 

[elliotmoore91]

If it becomes fact that the scissor keyboard comes back, I can finally upgrade my 2012 Macbook Pro. I've been holding off because I don't want the problems with the butterfly keyboard. When my wife's Macbook Pro required replacing I purchased a iPad Pro for her to avoid the butterfly keyboard. However, she's still not 100% happy with it. She still prefers a Macbook.

100% with you on this one. My old 2008 macbook pro gave up a while ago but simply refuse to invest in a flawed machine. Once apple fix that keyboard, then i'll drop the cash! haha

 

[PastaPrimav]

@PastaPrimav

Yep! You're all over it. Tie the new keyboard everyone is waiting for to the highest priced new laptop and reap the profits.

Apple is now, more than ever, a lemonade stand that methodically finds way after way to run their customers wallets through a roller squeegee.

We are truly in the golden age of having the "Ops Guy" in charge. It's not about the best products in class, but rather the brand and ethos pushing mega margins and extracting profit at every single little place they can find or devise.

I'd compare it to how the Retina display first debuted on the most expensive MacBook Pro, and most expensive iMac. But prior to that there was nothing wrong with the existing Mac displays. Unlike the keyboard situation.

Then again it has to start somewhere, and better to roll out a branch new keyboard design on what is probably the lowest volume MacBook. Plus, Apple knows that after 4 failed tries, there is no chance for them to push a new high end laptop model without addressing the keyboard.

 

[Seoras]

I still think it'll be out before the end of this month.
For all we know Ming-Chi Kuo could be playing the market by saying next spring so that there's sales of current models before the earnings announcement at the end of this month.
Seems premature for the iPad Pro dummies to be out in the wild this early.
Also the current model 2018 iPad Pro popping up in the refurbished store at the beginning of Sept.
Then again perhaps Kuo caught a rumor of Apple pulling the product launch due to be less than 100% happy with it in its current form.

 

[EugW]

I still think it'll be out before the end of this month.
For all we know Ming-Chi Kuo could be playing the market by saying next spring so that there's sales of current models before the earnings announcement at the end of this month.

Very unlikely.

Seems premature for the iPad Pro dummies to be out in the wild this early.

Well, the tri-camera iPhone dummies showed up in July.

Also the current model 2018 iPad Pro popping up in the refurbished store at the beginning of Sept.

Actually, I think the more interesting thing is Apple dropped pricing on a few of the 2018 iPad Pro models. We noticed this when were doing some comparison pricing vs. Amazon in one of the threads here:

Apple Cuts Price of 1TB iPad Pro Models by $200

Following yesterday's iPhone event that saw the launch of new iPhone, Apple Watch, and iPad models, Apple has tweaked the pricing of its 11 and...

www.macrumors.com

Then again perhaps Kuo caught a rumor of Apple pulling the product launch due to be less than 100% happy with it in its current form.

I'll mention again is he hasn't actually changed his prediction. His prediction from several months ago was that the new iPad Pros would start manufacturing in late 2019 to early 2020, which is why I've been saying for a while now that Ming Chi Kuo was predicting a fall to winter 2019 release. Fall 2019 ends near the end of December, and winter 2019 ends in mid-March 2020, but I was thinking his prediction suggested something like Jan. or Feb.

What I had hoped though was that Mark Gurman's prediction was right. He and Debby Wu claimed in Bloomberg that the new iPad Pros will come some time in 2019.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...ad-pro-16-inch-macbook-pro-airpods-3-features

Also coming in 2019: refreshed versions of the iPad Pro with upgraded cameras and faster chips, an entry-level iPad with a larger screen, new versions of the Apple Watch, and the first revamp to the MacBook Pro laptop in three years, the people said.

• • After launching new mid-tier iPad Air and iPad mini models earlier this year, Apple is planning to refresh the iPad Pro and its low-end iPad for schools.
  • The 11-inch and 12.9-inch iPad Pros will get similar upgrades to the iPhones, gaining upgraded cameras and faster processors. Otherwise, the new iPads will look like the current versions.
  • The low-end iPad’s screen will be 10.2-inches. That means Apple will likely no longer sell a new model with a 9.7-inch display, discontinuing the original display size after using it for nearly a decade.

 

[Hazmat401]

Darn... I was hopping for a October release with a Mid November rollout for the MBP 16

'19 MBP 15 refurb it is then

 

[Seoras]

I still think it'll be out before the end of this month.
For all we know Ming-Chi Kuo could be playing the market by saying next spring so that there's sales of current models before the earnings announcement at the end of this month.
Seems premature for the iPad Pro dummies to be out in the wild this early.
Also the current model 2018 iPad Pro popping up in the refurbished store at the beginning of Sept.
Then again perhaps Kuo caught a rumor of Apple pulling the product launch due to be less than 100% happy with it in its current form.

Very unlikely.
Well, the tri-camera iPhone dummies showed up in July.

2 months before launch. The iPad dummies showed up in Sept.
If that is any indication then perhaps pre-xmas seems more likely.

I'll admit it is wishful thinking on my part.
I'm badly needing a new iPad and don't want one with a button having been totally converted to Face ID by my iPhone X. I couldn't go back to touch ID.
Very tempted to get a refurbished iPad Pro 11" but with the superb reviews the 3 cameras on the iPhone 11 are getting I'm now holding off to see if the Pro gets an updated, and those cameras, before jumping in.
I'm probably not alone and that might be a problem for Apple. Anticipation killing sales.

 

[EugW]

2 months before launch. The iPad dummies showed up in Sept.
If that is any indication then perhaps pre-xmas seems more likely.

I'll admit it is wishful thinking on my part.
I'm badly needing a new iPad and don't want one with a button having been totally converted to Face ID by my iPhone X. I couldn't go back to touch ID.
Very tempted to get a refurbished iPad Pro 11" but with the superb reviews the 3 cameras on the iPhone 11 are getting I'm now holding off to see if the Pro gets an updated, and those cameras, before jumping in.
I'm probably not alone and that might be a problem for Apple. Anticipation killing sales.

I'm holding off because:

1. I can.
2. I'm convinced the 4th gen iPad Pro will have 6 GB RAM.
3. I'm hoping the entry level will go to 128 GB. I would like more than 64 GB, but 256 GB is overkill for me.
4. The Smart Keyboard will require an update if the camera changes, so I may as well get the updated one.

 

[The Game 161]

If there If there is updated keyboards it needs backlit, more icons like play/pause/stop and home screen button. Logitech slim folio is the best one for my needs personally it has a good keyboard and the features needed

 

[Yourbigpalal83]

Ya know i hate to say it, but Kuo has had a absolutely spot on track record and honestly i have no problem what so ever in holding off until march for the new Ipad Pros... gives me more time to save up! Also i can get buy with a mini 5 for the time being no problem!

As for the glasses, oh baby i so cant wait. What i think is going to happen this month is this, Apple will hold an event, talk about the redesigned Macbook Pros, the new Mac Pro, and the one more thing will be the Glasses.

Then, we will see the glasses launch in the spring or summer, my guess Anywhere from April-June (maybe even at WWDC 2020) and they will retail for at-least a grand.

Heres the problem though....

The glasses, like the watch, are going to require a Iphone to use them right?

So, it makes no logical sense for them to cost more then the Iphone itself correct?

I mean its a necessary component for them to function. If it were its own stand alone thing, then sure, they could charge what ever, and other Augmented reality headsets cost 2 grand plus...

BUT THATS BECAUSE THE COMPUTER PROCESSING POWER REQUIRED TO USE THEM IS ALL ONBOARD THE DEVICE!

You remove that, you allocate that to your Iphone, i see no reason why it should cost an insane amount!

Think of it like this...The Apple Watch needs the Iphone to function right?

Unless you go for the higher end ones which are more fashion statements with special brands and materials, the core functionality of the watch is still the same, and costs less then the phone required to use it right?

Why would the glasses be any different?

get what im saying...

Also....just wondering, did anyone say Face ID would be in the new macbook pros? Im wondering when that tech will make the leap from phones and tablets into the laptops and desktops!

 

[dannys1]

of course we are all different but I would question the noise levels. Butterfly has always been louder for me and I type with all 10 fingers without looking at the keyboard as that is how I was trained at school as it was part of the curriculum. Not saying I'm typing professional but I doubt the butterfly is quieter. If you type correctly then by default the butterfly is just louder. Unless they changed the latest design more as I don't have the latest keyboard but the one before.

They did change it so it was quieter. I've had all 3 revisions. The last one is quieter than the legacy scissor mechanism in old MacBooks. However it's not like either are a mechanical keyboard is it.

 

[Abazigal]

did anyone say Face ID would be in the new macbook pros? Im wondering when that tech will make the leap from phones and tablets into the laptops and desktops!

I don’t see Face ID coming to MacBooks because of how thin the displays are. That said, face id seems like a natural choice for the iMac, which is basically all screen, and it likely won’t get Touch ID ever due to the keyboard being a separate component (so I imagine security and pairing might be an issue).

 

[Yourbigpalal83]

I don’t see Face ID coming to MacBooks because of how thin the displays are. That said, face id seems like a natural choice for the iMac, which is basically all screen, and it likely won’t get Touch ID ever due to the keyboard being a separate component (so I imagine security and pairing might be an issue).

Im hoping for a redesigned iMac by the end of 2020 with a redesigned screen with Face ID and an optional OLED Keyboard too...that be a dream machine...

 

[RogerWilco]

Ah yes, by then my MacBook Pro will be 7 years old... and I would be an absolute idiot to buy one now due to the horrible keyboards and all the other quality problems. I mean I'd be okay paying say, a quarter of the asking price for the current MacBook Pros, because that's roughly how much they're worth since you have to pretty much throw them out after a year or so and they still crash thanks to the built in T2 chip (seriously, what is that thing for anyway, besides crashing?).

The T2 is a Swiss Army knife gadget that accomplishes many things at low cost to Apple. As they gradually close Mac OS to user customization and the hackintosh crowd, T2 is there to act as bad cop. Similarly, as Apple adds “signed” hardware subsystems, i.e. keyboards, mobos, displays, SSDs, etc. which are linked to a particular Mac at time of sale, the T2 prevents any third-party substitutions for these components. This forces uses to pay the Apple tax of inflated prices and slams the door on independent repair shops because they can’t access the T2 in order to register/certify the repairs.

 

[baryon]

The T2 is a Swiss Army knife gadget that accomplishes many things at low cost to Apple. As they gradually close Mac OS to user customization and the hackintosh crowd, T2 is there to act as bad cop. Similarly, as Apple adds “signed” hardware subsystems, i.e. keyboards, mobos, displays, SSDs, etc. which are linked to a particular Mac at time of sale, the T2 prevents any third-party substitutions for these components. This forces uses to pay the Apple tax of inflated prices and slams the door on independent repair shops because they can’t access the T2 in order to register/certify the repairs.

It's basically DRM for the hardware. I just don't get why they so proudly advertise it.

 

[Kinotto]

Need a new iPad Pro but can’t hold on until next year...on the other hand I’m afraid of buying a 2018 model because of the bending issue....

 

[Yourbigpalal83]

Need a new iPad Pro but can’t hold on until next year...on the other hand I’m afraid of buying a 2018 model because of the bending issue....

im in the same boat with ya pal..

 

[turbineseaplane]

The last one is quieter than the legacy scissor mechanism in old MacBooks.

Absolute bollocks - simply not true.

 

[PastaPrimav]

I want an 18" Macbook Pro.

15" is too small by a lot.

Eighteen inches. Scale it up.

I think we'll be pretty happy with the 16".
I currently switch back and forth between a 27" iMac and 13" MacBook Pro all day long. The difference is extreme.

 

[MacRazySwe]

I’m not the OP but for me it’s a relatively smaller lcd display than the current offerings, No Face ID, a home button, Touch ID, only one camera in the back, upgraded internals, and of course the price.

I have have no need or desire for multiple cameras. I have no need or desire for Face ID. I don’t need or want all the “features” that come with the latest iPhones. I like iOS and if it wasn’t for that, I’d have no need for an iPhone. I’m still on a 6s and it does everything I need it to do. But if this so called SE2 is true, it would be something I’d consider upgrading to.

I don’t understand why some people have such a hard time understanding that some people just don’t want or need these new (expensive) phones with features that they will never need or want. It’s iOS keeping me on iPhone.

It's a genuine question, seeing as the appeal of the SE for many people was it's unique 4" form factor.

Now, all rumors are pointing towards it just being another 4.7" phone with slightly upgraded internals. In that case, consider the points you mentioned:

- No Face ID
- A home button
- Only one camera in the back
- Way faster internals (than the 6S that currently does everything you need it to?)

Think about it - that phone already exists. It's called the iPhone 8. You know what's even better? You can buy it and enjoy it this afternoon - rather than waiting for months(!) for a phone that may or may not ever be released.

I get that price is a factor, but consider that the iPhone 8 is now heavily discounted - whereas the SE2 will most likely be sold at MSRP. You could even pick up an iPhone 8 used and save even more, if price is what matters.

Is it really worth waiting?

I guess it could be, especially if it gets the A13 processor and a $399 price point. I'm just saying that the appeal isn't as clear as it used to be.

 

[MacRazySwe]

Cheaper, smaller, lighter etc. I want iPhone Pro or XS in the form of iPhone 8. Just like SE and 6S share almost all parts thats what I would like to see. I really don't see the appeal of paying $2000CAD for flagship when my iPhone 6 (that was flagship) was pretty much half price. All I want to do is to say big FU to Apple for hiking the prices so much.

I agree with you. Prices have gotten insane!

I held onto my iPhone 6 for 4.5 years. When I replaced it, I found a sealed iPhone X used. A brand new phone (manufactured 2019) for nearly half the price. That's what I would recommend, rather than buying another iteration of the 6 chassis.

Face ID, Dual Cameras, OLED display, gestures - those are things you actually notice on a daily basis. Those are really game changers that affect how you use the phone - but you really need to commit to the phone to understand.

 

[Freida]

I agree with you. Prices have gotten insane!

I held onto my iPhone 6 for 4.5 years. When I replaced it, I found a sealed iPhone X used. A brand new phone (manufactured 2019) for nearly half the price. That's what I would recommend, rather than buying another iteration of the 6 chassis.

Face ID, Dual Cameras, OLED display, gestures - those are things you actually notice on a daily basis. Those are really game changers that affect how you use the phone - but you really need to commit to the phone to understand.

Hmm, I might buy one and use it for 10 days and then return it. Go back to iPhone 6 and see what I miss more
Right now, I'm not in a rush although there were occasions where I missed the camera improvements. Not $2000 missing though : )

 

[dgdosen]

Regarding laptops - didn't apple register 7 new notebooks (of which 2? have been released) per https://www.macrumors.com/2019/06/13/apple-seven-new-macs-eurasian-database/?

If that's the case, shouldn't we still expect more new laptops in 2019? Especially with other vendor's Ice Lake offerings getting pretty positive press....

I'm hoping for an Ice Lake 4-Core Air...

 

[freddiebarnes]

It's a genuine question, seeing as the appeal of the SE for many people was it's unique 4" form factor.

Now, all rumors are pointing towards it just being another 4.7" phone with slightly upgraded internals. In that case, consider the points you mentioned:

- No Face ID
- A home button
- Only one camera in the back
- Way faster internals (than the 6S that currently does everything you need it to?)

Think about it - that phone already exists. It's called the iPhone 8. You know what's even better? You can buy it and enjoy it this afternoon - rather than waiting for months(!) for a phone that may or may not ever be released.

I get that price is a factor, but consider that the iPhone 8 is now heavily discounted - whereas the SE2 will most likely be sold at MSRP. You could even pick up an iPhone 8 used and save even more, if price is what matters.

Is it really worth waiting?

I guess it could be, especially if it gets the A13 processor and a $399 price point. I'm just saying that the appeal isn't as clear as it used to be.

I never said I was going to buy the SE2 brand new. I said it would be something I would consider. And I’d probably buy it used. Gone are the days that I care about new phones. And if I wait a year after the so-called SE2 is released, it will likely get iOS updates longer than the 8 will.