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Kuo: iPhone 12 Models Won't Include Charger in Box, 20W Power Adapter Will Be Sold Separately
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"Everyone's got an opinion"... and mine is, FINE - I have literally over a dozen USB Chargers and I use zero of them for my iPhone (Qi, anyone?) - quit clogging the landfills.
Are you seriously saying that you need a dozen chargers to charge one iPhone? Why the heck do I need a charger for every phone that I ever bought? I don't use them, not because they're bad, but because I don't need a dozen chargers to charge one iPhone. I've NEVER bought a charger. I have all those chargers in my drawer because I don't need that many. How is this so hard for you to understand?
Then that counters the "environment" argument as this just results in people buying more chargers and throwing their old one.
Can you expand on how that counter the environment argument? Seems like it supports it.
What... I would think it is actually RARE for a person to be buying an iPhone as their 1st phone. The only people to be affected by this would be:
kids/pre-teens that are getting their 1st phone
grandma/grandpa who has clung on to their old flip phone all this time and are only now getting something else
and finally (but the one Apple should be concerned with alienating)
Android switchers. If they are trying to woo people from Android... not including a charger isn't going to help their cause.
Even that might be a stretch for ‘most’ households. I think you over estimate just how many modern divides are in a lot of houses. I haven’t bought a power brick in 15 years. No USB on those. The TV has just 1, I suppose the roku has one. From there it’s a few on computers (remember they are disappearing from computers too). And they need to be readily accessible ports to really count. I’m not dragging my laptop out into the living room to change my phone....
This is Kuo, wouldn’t value anything he has to say. Very rarely does he get it right, and even when he does, it’s usually quite a well established fact almost by then.
I’d wait for Gruber, Gurman, or that Chinese dream guy on Twitter before believing anything - they have a much better track record.
I have to laugh when people say “the EU will never allow this” because the EU *specifically voted* that all tech companies do this to reduce the 50 million metric tons of e-waste every year.
“[The EU] also expects a reduction/minimization of e-waste, by reducing the necessity to purchase different types of chargers and by giving the possibility to reuse already owned ones.” https://www.macrumors.com/guide/eu-charging-standard-proposals-and-apple/
And the vote passed:
oeil.secure.europarl.europa.eu
The climate crisis isn’t going to solve itself. Let’s all do our part and reuse the previous iPhone charger that we already have and still works just fine.
“[The EU] also expects a reduction/minimization of e-waste, by reducing the necessity to purchase different types of chargers and by giving the possibility to reuse already owned ones.” https://www.macrumors.com/guide/eu-charging-standard-proposals-and-apple/
And the vote passed:
Document summary | Legislative Observatory | European Parliament
European Parliament Legislative Observatory Procedure
The climate crisis isn’t going to solve itself. Let’s all do our part and reuse the previous iPhone charger that we already have and still works just fine.
How many of those chargers have USB-C on them? Note that the cable included with the iPhone 12 is rumored to be lightning to USB-C. So far, only the iPhone 11 Pro includes USB-C charger.
Even on most Android with USB-C, the charger included are usually USB-A type.
While I agree android users likely already have a USB C brick so their power brick will work with the Apple cable that will come in the box
I feel like kids would have access to their parents old chargers. Don't most Android phones use USB chargers? I think most of them are more than 5W too.
I leave chargers at different places. One at work, one next to the couch, one next to the bed stand, etc.
This was the last electronic item I bought. No charger in the box and I didn't miss it: https://buy.garmin.com/en-US/US/p/592606#inTheBox
The argument is for less e-waste. In reality, it will create even more e-waste as people will buy a new charger anyway, and throw away their old USB-A one (creating the extra e-waste).
I think you're talking about someone else. Kuo's name is often the first attached to leaks and rumors that end up being true. He's a pretty reliable source.
I'm sure Apple did this just to piss everyone off, seeing as how that's so good for business, ya know. /s
Well, I think we should discuss that when it is fact instead of rumor.
Do you think Apple will include 2 cables if they're already penny pinching by excluding earpods and the charger?
