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You are saying definitively that if they continue to include the charger they have to raise the price of the phone? If so, what are you basing this on?

Based on what supply chain are saying. Remember when we expected price increase for 5G well we won’t and if there’s no power brick I can see why
 
I have read numerous responses to this story that attributes this change to greed. I'd like to put forward a different motivation... I believe the more likely reason for this change (should this rumor turn out to be true) is so that they (Apple) can reduce the price of the iPhone. As many of you have stated, many buyers of new iPhones already possess chargers and headphones. For those buyers, why pay for another set that you aren't going to use? If Apple reduces the price of the iPhone by, let's say, $50 then the buyers that don't need those components won't be required to pay for them. Those buyers that need those components will be able to purchase them separately (albeit likely at a cumulative expense greater than the reduction in the price of the phone alone). Given that most (more than 50%) of iPhones are sold to consumers that are upgrading from a prior version of the iPhone, this strategy seems logical. Thoughts?

This is a good idea but I'm not sure if Apple are willing to reduce the iPhone's price point now that people are willing to spend over $1000 and have rationalized this price hike across the industry (iPhone X was the ground breaker).
 
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I think at this point, most people already own numerous headphones & chargers. It is not environmentally friendly to keep including them. Hopefully Apple will reduce the price of the iphone accordingly, but i wouldn’t count on it. Still, i think this is a good move on Apple’s part. It makes sense. And is better for the environment. Less waste. most people have headphones & chargers already. If you need another, buy them separately. I am not upset about this news.
 
I have to agree, the USB standard is so fickle that USB A is slowly losing popularity and who knows what other standards we will get in the future. Meanwhile power sockets haven't changed in decades.

The future is wireless. And I don't expect that any smartphone manufacturer will ever include a charging mat in the box.
 
The cables are fairly fragile and don’t last much more than a year or two......and if you don’t know why it’s a big deal on your own, nothing anyone says is going to change your mind. It’s greed, pure and simple.

It’s going to be standard for android soon too you can bet on that...fairly fragile? I would like to know what people do with their chargers. In 10 years I’ve never had cables break for no reason. If anything that’s user error
 
With Apples track record they will dare to remove the charger and EarPods while also making the phone 50€ more expensive in the EU but praising how they were able to maintain the same US $ price. Even with 5G included! Courage

The US price is without sales tax. It's EU tax that raises the price significantly compared to US prices with sales tax, unfortunately.
 
This is not impossible, but I’m guessing it’s wrong. Even the almighty Kuo has been wrong before. If Apple did this, it’d have nothing to do with greed, any more than killing wired headphone, optical media, and the floppy drive had to do with greed, contrary to the predictable accusations. Like these other examples, it would be to push us into newer tech, wireless charging in this case. A wireless future has obviously been on Apple’s mind for a long time. There are a few reasons I’d hesitate to embrace mandatory wireless charging, but have no doubt that having an eye on that future is why Apple would kill the bundled brick.
 
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Those chargers cost Apple $2.

Remember the days of the "Microsoft Tax?" That is, when the costs of ownership for a Windows computer were hidden (e.g. anti-virus software and malware clean-up). Welcome to the days of Tim Cook's "Apple Tax."
 
I actually like this idea.

Every man and his dog already have at least one USB charger by now. No need for more electronic waste. A large portion of these in-the-box chargers end up in a drawer and eventually in the trash can.
 
I have read numerous responses to this story that attributes this change to greed. I'd like to put forward a different motivation... I believe the more likely reason for this change (should this rumor turn out to be true) is so that they (Apple) can reduce the price of the iPhone. As many of you have stated, many buyers of new iPhones already possess chargers and headphones. For those buyers, why pay for another set that you aren't going to use? If Apple reduces the price of the iPhone by, let's say, $50 then the buyers that don't need those components won't be required to pay for them. Those buyers that need those components will be able to purchase them separately (albeit likely at a cumulative expense greater than the reduction in the price of the phone alone). Given that most (more than 50%) of iPhones are sold to consumers that are upgrading from a prior version of the iPhone, this strategy seems logical. Thoughts?
A reduction in the purchase price will be the ONLY acceptable reason. Anything else is ugly. I hope you’re right!
 
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That would be optimal right? It's a cost for Apple and waste for us. I realize you are just raging here, for some reason, but it doesn't change that it would a good idea in theory.

It’s truly amazing to see how a company like Apple is able to brainwash their customers. There is no rage, no hate towards Apple except pure admiration. The NSA can use some tips from Apple and what’s more insane is that the cult mentality extends so far reaching people will defend this company regardless of what’s right or wrong.

I will leave the conversation now with the following. When will it be enough for you to see this profit making company isn’t for your best interests. Taking away common sense items and charging you the same isn’t even enough to convince you.

There will be a course in colleges. Marketing strategies from Apple. A whole book on how to distort reality and even after reading this book the very same people still won’t get it.
 
most houses have more USB ports in their walls than standard outlets? What? You only visityour like minded friends in trendy new condos or something? The average age of a house is 36.

And here’s the fun part for everyone putting those combo light switch or power outlet sockets with USB-As on them, the cables are all switching to USB-C... fun! Time to spend another few hundred bucks and a afternoon swapping those out!

In a few key locations I’d go to the trouble, but in enough locations to outnumber your standard socket? HAHA, people in 10 years are going to look around your house and laugh. It would be like having cd drives stuck in your walls....

I didn't say there are USB ports in walls. I said there are USB ports scattered all over the house, from power bricks to speakers to TVs. I have something like 3 dozen USB ports in my place, not a single one of them is in the wall, and I have less than 10 power outlets.
 
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This “leak” is BS and should rightly corrupt Kuo’s credibility. Why? The EU simply won’t allow this.

While I am totally opposed to Apple's move (if it's true), I can see this as a way around the EU. The EU demands Apple ship the iPhone with multi-system charging brick, claiming it's unfair if they don't. So Apple stops shipping charging bricks anywhere. No more favoritism and unfairness. Everyone is treated the same, right... right?
 
It’s truly amazing to see how a company like Apple is able to brainwash their customers. There is no rage, no hate towards Apple except pure admiration. The NSA can use some tips from Apple and what’s more insane is that the cult mentality extends so far reaching people will defend this company regardless of what’s right or wrong.

I will leave the conversation now with the following. When will it be enough for you to see this profit making company isn’t for your best interests. Taking away common sense items and charging you the same isn’t even enough to convince you.

There will be a course in colleges. Marketing strategies from Apple. A whole book on how to distort reality and even after reading this book the very same people still won’t get it.

Personally, I really like the calm app.
 
I think at this point, most people already own numerous headphones & chargers. It is not environmentally friendly to keep including them. Hopefully Apple will reduce the price of the iphone accordingly, but i wouldn’t count on it. Still, i think this is a good move on Apple’s part. It makes sense. And is better for the environment. Less waste. most people have headphones & chargers already. If you need another, buy them separately. I am not upset about this news.
1. Not everyone has a lightning headphone.
2. Most chargers on the market have USB-A on it, not USB-C. Only few flagship Androids include a USB-C charger. Even on majority of Android, if the phone has USB-C, the charger is still USB-A.

It's going to be even worse in markets like Asia where iPhone prices are already having 20-30% markup on top of US MSRP. If Apple really did this, I hope it's just for certain markets like the EU.
 
Maybe if they supplied a decent charger in the first place, (like Samsung does) there wouldn't be a cluttered mess in drawers!

How do you figure that? People who bought phones would still get a new charger in the box with each phone, accumulating them beyond their needs, regardless if the charger was good or not.
 
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It's not the charger price per se. That's peanuts.

Logistics is where Apple will save money. They can make their boxes smaller, lighter, and save millions in the process.

Steve thought this was so important that he once mentioned a box redesign during a keynote. I think it was when the iPod box stopped being a cube.
 
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