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Kuo: iPhone 12 Models Won't Include Charger in Box, 20W Power Adapter Will Be Sold Separately

tyranne201 said:
I really don't understand these people that come to defend Apple even when at the most stupid things. This is clearly wrong and greedy. There is no excuse. The environment one is bulls*.
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"Wrong and greedy"

OK.

They probably know how many people actually use the EarPods and Power Brick and its probably 1/10. It saves on cost, shipping/freight fees, the size of the box, the amount of phones they can now shop in the same box etc.

If you are really that sour over useless accessories you never used anyway, go switch to Android?
 
DotCom2 said:
Is there any other electronic in the world that is sold without a ready way right out of the box to charge it? They'd get sued in a minute.
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These devices I own didn’t come with anything:
Nintendo 3DS
Kindle

These devices I own came with cable, but no power brick:
iPod Touch
Magic Mouse
Magic Keyboard
Magic Trackpad
AirPods
Apple TV remote
Sony Headphones
Vape

I agree it’s really dumb, but it’s pretty common.
 
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ian87w said:
That's assuming that the buyer is an existing iPhone owner, who is keeping the old cable. Apple seem to pride itself for having first time iPhone users buying their iPhones.
Even in this forum, I'm seeing people selling or giving their old iPhone away, highly likely with the old cable.

Anyway, this is getting a bit winded. We can agree to disagree. If this rumor is true, I don't like it, and it will only create more waste as Apple themselves have to package and ship their USB-C chargers separately instead of inside the iPhone box. I don't think this is a good move. Hopefully it's an incorrect rumor.
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If they are coming from a high end android, they may already have a high power USB-C charger. If they have a bunch of USB-A chargers in their home, they could simply buy a lightning to USB-A cable instead of replacing all their chargers. Furthermore, if they do choose to throw out all their USB-A chargers, Apple's decision to include or exclude a USB-C charger in the box will not change the number of USB-A chargers they are throwing away.

We can agree to disagree on the merits of including a charger in the box, but the e-waste angle is not really a matter of opinion. A charger in a box creates more e-waste in a very literal sense as every electronic device produced eventually becomes more waste. More production, as a rule, produces more waste.

Edit: I will acknowledge your packaging argument, but I'm not of the opinion that producing an excess charger is a better trade-off than producing an excess box.
 
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GizmoDVD said:
Do you know how to charge an iPhone? The part that plugs into the "charging part" is USB-A or USB-C, not lightening cable.,

Oh, you didn't READ THE ARTICLE.
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I read the article. What are you even talking about? Someone said “if they are trying to be green, they shouldn’t include the cable.” My point was that “people already have lots of bricks, but the cable is less common.”

No need to be so hostile just because you missed the point.
 
ipedro said:
Are you seriously saying that you need a dozen chargers to charge one iPhone? Why the heck do I need a charger for every phone that I ever bought? I don't use them, not because they're bad, but because I don't need a dozen chargers to charge one iPhone. I've NEVER bought a charger. I have all those chargers in my drawer because I don't need that many. How is this so hard for you to understand?
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Yes, it is hard for me to understand that the manner in which you charge your phone, and how and with what is the way everyone else should and does. Let's just leave it as we agree to dis-agree.
 
cmaier said:
I read the article. What are you even talking about? Someone said “if they are trying to be green, they shouldn’t include the cable.” My point was that “people already have lots of bricks, but the cable is less common.”

No need to be so hostile just because you missed the point.
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And you will still get the cable if you read the article. A useless cable, mind you, since it can wireless charge anyway.
 
I think Apples' dream is to include only the phone in the box for a completely wireless experience in 2021. That is: Buy a wired charger that will charge your iPhone wirelessly separately.
 
A lot of people seem to be very upset here in the comments but I think they’re missing the long game of what’s going on here. First of all Apple is trying to save you money by not requiring you to change out all your cables from Lightning to USB-C only to then obsolete them by having a great wireless charging future, possibly with no port at all. Similarly with the adapters, a) there’s a cost to adding them to the product and no point in charging that extra cost when you probably already have a bunch of chargers and b) the future is a different and better wireless charger. Personally and I would bet for most we’ve already invested in many Anker and Aukey chargers for the car, the desk etc. I have a mix of USB-C PD and other excellent high wattage chargers and there’s no need for me to buy any more chargers until there is something wholly new and different. And likely that will be wireless.
 
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GizmoDVD said:
And you will still get the cable if you read the article. A useless cable, mind you, since it can wireless charge anyway.
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Again you missed the point. I was explaining WHY APPLE IS GOING TO INCLUDE A CABLE.

Please don’t respond to me again unless you go back and read what I was responding to.
 
tyranne201 said:
I think Apples' dream is to include only the phone in the box for a completely wireless experience in 2021. That is: Buy a wired charger that will charge your iPhone wirelessly separately.
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An iPhone without any port. Yes, that's their long-term goal. But that's not news.
 
A charger is necessary. It will be in the box. Ming-chi posts wrong stuff all the time!
 
This is a smart move. People have been upgrading already have chargers (even wireless pads) and headphones (of all varieties).

If I can upgrade to the new iPhone 12 as cheaply as possible and still can use what I have; PERFECT!

And ones who NEED the other stuff; can still purchase them separately and end up with similar pricing. This also opens the door to better "package deals" for new iPhones and AirPods Pro without waisting the airpods that typically come with an iPhone.

I don't know — it makes sense overall. #business
 
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So you’ll get a Lightening to USB-C adapter but you won’t be able to use it with any of your existing Apple chargers because they’re all USB-A? WTF Apple..........
 
cmaier said:
Again you missed the point. I was explaining WHY APPLE IS GOING TO INCLUDE A CABLE.

Please don’t respond to me again unless you go back and read what I was responding to.
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Yes, which is exactly what the article is stating. Why do you need to explain what is already included?
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AppleHeadPhx said:
So you’ll get a Lightening to USB-C adapter but you won’t be able to use it with any of your existing Apple chargers because they’re all USB-A? WTF Apple..........
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...or just use all your existing cables, which is exactly why Apple and others are not including them anymore.
 
SuperMatt said:
A charger is necessary. It will be in the box. Ming-chi posts wrong stuff all the time!
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Only for buyers who don't have one at all. I have plenty of chargers already and wireless pads. If I don't have to pay for that (again), then I'm a happier iPhone 12 Pro buyer.

For buyers who have nothing; they can still purchase whatever headphones and chargers they desire.
 
GizmoDVD said:
Yes, which is exactly what the article is stating. Why do you need to explain what is already included?
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1) i was explaining WHY. The article does not say that.

2) the person i was responding to said “if the reason apple is leaving out the charger is because they want to prevent e-waste, why don’t they ALSO leave out the cable?”

See - nobody was claiming there would be no cable.

My answer was to explain why the cable is a different situation than the charger. All chargers from all manufacturers are USB. But only apple devices use lightning.

I’ve now explained this to you three different ways. If you don’t get it, sorry, but I’m done explaining.
 
I suspect Apple want to prepare their customers in terms of completely wireless iPhones. 2022, 2023? It's a way of saying: "Yeah, you still could charge your iPhone via cable, but you shouldn't... and you won't be able to in the near future."
 
dhoughal said:
A week minimum.
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It could be. Tomsguide compared charging times for a small iPhone 11 with new 5W charger vs large iPhone 11 with fast charger. They reported this:
Based on our testing, the iPhone 11 Pro got to 55% in 30 minutes, while the iPhone 11 Pro hit 48% after the same amount of time. Sadly, the iPhone 11 got to a sad 16% after 30 minutes. So it's about three times as slow with its standard charger.
Now, try older 5W charger with a large iPhone and the difference in charging time might be 5x. And if you try charging from the wrong USB port on you laptop, it may take a week or two.
 
EU Caused this???????

Has anyone condidered that this may be a reaction to the proposal by the EU for one USB charging standard. By NOT including a charger Apple can say people can choose any charger therefore skirt any requirement to build in Andriod compatibility.
 
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Shame on Apple if it’s true the iPhone 12 will NOT come with EarPods or a Charger. I can see the EarPods going away as everyone has a few pairs. But not including a charger which probably cost Apple $2 and is a necessity
Apples thinking has changed. They’ve become like all the rest looking to grab an extra dollar
 
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