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Have they? The M1 and M2 MacBook Air does a pretty good job without having a fan. Not had mine get even warm once.
Not getting hot is not an indication of good thermal design. It is easy to not get hot, just run the processors at a slower clock rate.

Which is what Apple does so that it can fit its processors in thin small cases. Outside of the iPhone this is not necessary, but Apple wants to be a fashion accessory, not a computer maker.

Just think of what Apple products could do with good thermal design (running at full clock speeds).
 
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Makes no sense that thermal compromises are causing the issue as the heat comes and goes with low cpu/gpu activity. Yes the titanium is probably not helping but this is a runaway process or something that is causing much of this issue.
Stainless Steel has a thermal conductivity of around 14.3 ± 0.2 W/m K. Depending on which alloy.

Titanium has a thermal conductivity of around 22 ± 2.0 W/m K. Depending on which alloy.

Aluminum has a thermal conductivity of around 230 ± 10.0 W/m K, again depending on the alloy. This is why it is used internally.

So what does this mean? It means that Titanium is marginally a better conductor of heat away from the internals when compared to Stainless Steel. It means that the case will potentially be hotter at the same processing speeds, but the CPUs will likely be cooler.

So the titanium is marginally helping the functionality of the phone and will allow the phone to run at higher speeds than a Stainless Steel case.
 
Doesn’t low power mode do that already??

They need something between low power mode and their “regular” mode. Like how many cars have “sport” and “normal” modes.

Low power mode is way too restrictive. I don’t need “sport” mode on my phone. I don’t play games, etc. I want “normal” CPU with long battery life and a screen that doesn’t go super dim because the phone overheated from using it to browse the internet on a hot day in the shade. My 13 Pro did this all the time. My wife’s too. Super annoying. Not sure if it’s an issue with our 15 Pros yet.
 
I was going to order a 15 Pro later this week, but I'm going to hold off for now - I'm waiting to see if Apple at least acknowledges the issue.

Many people don’t seem to have the issue. I haven’t noticed it (phone was set up as new).

It’s either certain phones that are impacted or certain use cases that are triggering something in the software to use the CPU like crazy. My guess is, it’s the latter.
 
During the initial setup and restore my 15 Pro was burning hot to the point that a message appeared and stopped charging until cool down.

After 5 days it is pretty back to normal EXCEPT during phone call. After 10 minutes it becomes very hot and the battery drop very fast (ie 1hr call battery 50% to 18%)
Yes I can totally relate to that. The problem is only when making cellular phone calls(WiFi calling does not cause the phone to drain battery nor it gets hot). At least that has being my experience. Here’s an update, I follow apples phone support advice and erased my phone to factory settings. Didn’t even put my iCloud while setting it up. As soon as it was ready, went ahead and made a 45 mins phone call(cellular) and only drop like 5% of battery and the phone was cold to the touch. Then went ahead and and restore the phone from a back up. After it was done, went ahead & made cellular phone call and the problem was back. Lost 17% of battery in 20 mins into the phone call and the phone was burning hot. Then I let seat for a while till it was cool. Turn on WiFi calling and place a phone call. The phone was cold and the battery was behaving normal. Only lost 2% in the 35 mins call. Today am gonna erase the phone and do a phone to phone transfer as oppose to the over the air back up. Will update on it. But so far this tells that is not a hardware issue, rather a coding problem within iOS 17 and how it handles cellular phone calls when coming from a back up. I know it sounds weird but anything in software is possible. Let me just clarify that browsing the web, being on social media and doing anything else on cellular does not causes the phone to heat up nor to deplete the battery abnormally. It just making phone calls either normal phone calls or FaceTime audio phone through cellular that triggers the problem. Haven’t experienced the overheating issue while charging it, wirelessly via MagSafe duo.
 
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Stainless Steel has a thermal conductivity of around 14.3 ± 0.2 W/m K. Depending on which alloy.

Titanium has a thermal conductivity of around 22 ± 2.0 W/m K. Depending on which alloy.

Aluminum has a thermal conductivity of around 230 ± 10.0 W/m K, again depending on the alloy. This is why it is used internally.

So what does this mean? It means that Titanium is marginally a better conductor of heat away from the internals when compared to Stainless Steel. It means that the case will potentially be hotter at the same processing speeds, but the CPUs will likely be cooler.

So the titanium is marginally helping the functionality of the phone and will allow the phone to run at higher speeds than a Stainless Steel case.
and its not just titanium right? they merged it with aluminium
 
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Everyone with heat issues should erase and set up as new iphone. Don't restore from backup. It seems to solve the problem for many many people.
Also recommended: avoid wireless charging whenever you can. Use a low wattage brick and charge slowly over night for the day.
 
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I haven't experienced this yet on my 15 PM. However, on my 14 PM I noticed this frequently.
 
Everyone with heat issues should erase and set up as new iphone. Don't restore from backup. It seems to solve the problem for many many people.
Also recommended: avoid wireless charging whenever you can. Use a low wattage brick and charge slowly over night for the day.
It surely fixes the problem because it did with my phone, the thing is, is messed up not to be able to a feature such as a backup restore just because it may cause a problem. Then the feature shouldn’t exist if is not optimized well to work properly as advertised.
 
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I also haven’t been able to recreate the issue on my 15 Pro Max. Played Genshin for 20 minutes, did the 3DMark Stress test and the phone never got over 38c. Also haven’t noticed the phone heating up during instagram use either.

I set it up as a new phone instead of restoring it from a backup.
 
In theory that is correct, but there must be some other factor at play here, because the reports of "the exact some operation, at the exact same config, side by side, in the same room, with the same power dynamics, etc" of 15PM vs 14PM shows the 15PM very regularly thermally throttling (a test I did with a near brand new 14PM b/c I had an AppleCare+ replacement a mere week before my 15PM delivered, so it was not a worn battery that was somehow performing poorly impacting thermals because it had degraded or whatever).

The teardowns are leading people to guess (in an actually somewhat informed way) that the practical reason is that the surface area for both heat absorption and heat dissipation has been reduced in an attempt to further reduce weight (e.g. not just rely on Ti being lighter, but putting less of it in the device period, meaning the rudimentary passive heat pipe design has less of an effect).

What is maddening to me is that there is no way this wasn't caught in testing or even design. The world's most talented and well-resourced teams are working on this product with decades+ of product and market knowledge of this very specific product.

Adding insult to injury is that the move from Al to Ti was *completely* unnecessary. It has zero practical impact (no one, with a straight face, can say "oh yeah, my 14PM was WAAAAY too heavy, those few grams they shaved off are life changing"). On the other hand, throttling and absurd thermal issues are completely impactful to the core, singular purpose of the iPhone.

Here is a picture of my brand new, amazing Titanium iPhone 15 Pro Max in its preferred habitat simply trying to sync the days iCloud Photos (seriously, wasn't even using wireless charging and Photos paused sync because 'iPhone needs to cool down', and I live high in the mountains, where it's already getting down into the 40s and 50s....yet, this is the only way I could get it to actually perform something as basic as an iCloud Photos sync of the day's photos).

"Only on iPhone". hahahaha.


Stainless Steel has a thermal conductivity of around 14.3 ± 0.2 W/m K. Depending on which alloy.

Titanium has a thermal conductivity of around 22 ± 2.0 W/m K. Depending on which alloy.

Aluminum has a thermal conductivity of around 230 ± 10.0 W/m K, again depending on the alloy. This is why it is used internally.

So what does this mean? It means that Titanium is marginally a better conductor of heat away from the internals when compared to Stainless Steel. It means that the case will potentially be hotter at the same processing speeds, but the CPUs will likely be cooler.

So the titanium is marginally helping the functionality of the phone and will allow the phone to run at higher speeds than a Stainless Steel case.
 

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I had mine on a wireless charger when i first got it Friday. It was downloading apps from the cloud, and I got a message to the effect that charging was paused until the phone temperature dropped.
 
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I am glad I have the 14 Pro Max, got it at Costco for $999 with Apple Care Plus, coming from the S23 Ultra. I had debated on the 15 Pro Max, saved $400 and no heating issues. 🤑 I dodged a bullet on that one.
How was your experience with the S23 Ultra?
 
It takes time for the Internet to blow up individual cases to the dramatic, controversy levels.



Of course they do.

That doesn't stop of every Apple release having some "-gate", because that's how you get clicks these days.
Yeah mine hasn't gotten remotely hot yet plus I don't plan on bending it like a moron, so it likely won't break.
 
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I already have some heating issues with my 14 Pro Max. iOS 17 seemed to fix it a little bit for me but it still gets really hot when it’s on charger (I use wired charging only, Apple’s 20W Power Adapter).

I had hopes they’d fix the heating issues and the thermals with the A17 Pro chip, but it seems like they focused more on the performance than anything else on that chip.

What’s the point of a chip that can run console-level games and has ray tracing when the thermals aren’t even good enough for that ? :)
 
To me, Apple used to stand for excellence. You were paying top dollar, but in exchange you received the best.

Even Chinese tat is more reliable nowadays. I'm in two minds whether to send my PM15 back unopened for a refund when it finally gets here.
 
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It surely fixes the problem because it did with my phone, the thing is, is messed up not to be able to a feature such as a backup restore just because it may cause a problem. Then the feature shouldn’t exist if is not optimized well to work properly as advertised.
It will hopefully be fixed within the next couple of iOS updates. So when you buy the phone in a couple of months you will not have these problems out of the box. Having used Apple products for 20 years I live by the motto: never buy first gen of a product and never install day one OS‘es 😂
 
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