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Kuo: iPhone 15 to Switch From Lightning to USB-C in 2023
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Do you really think Apple will use different parts than it uses already in its iPads? Do you want to know what Tim is going to tell you when he announces USB-C?
"Awesome, incredible, Blabla, yadda yadda, with the move to USB-C we achieved insane transfer speeds ..." and he is going to demonstrate you how fast 4K Videos transfer to the Mac with a brand-new USB-C iPhone compared to your old and rotten non USB-C one ...
I know it already, but feel free to wait until it is presented and keep your claims that it won't transfer data faster and it won't charge faster.
But he is going to tell you that this is the best iPhone ever and that USB-C is the thing you have to have ...
Well, like you guys keep arguing with Lightning - just don't buy it. But you will and you're gonna love it ...
Macs and iPads use standard USB-C and USB-PD. So I don't think Apple would do something nefarious. Their focus will be on MagSafe. That's imo will be the new Mfi money. Remember that when lightning was introduced, there was just lightning cables. But now, Apple has Airpods, Airtags, Magsafe, and plethora more accessories. So maybe the revenue itself on those various accessories is larger than Mfi today.
No, I don't expect that. Yes, Apple have used various proprietary connectors in the past - usually because the 'standard' was deficient in some way - but where they've used standards they've generally played them straight (apart from, maybe, optional features). Apple already have machines with USB-C ports and make USB-C cables, and they're as standard as USB-C gets.
Yeah, kinda. I wish the push is not just for USB-C, but also for USB-PD. Right now, the Chinese are making up their own fast charging methods that use the old USB-A on the charger side. This will defeat the purpose of USB-C if the charger is still on USB-A. Thankfully, Apple use USB-PD for their fast charging method instead of coming up with their own proprietary one.
microUSB is already dying out. Now, even cheap BT speakers use USB-C. Heck, even vapes are using USB-C nowadays...
The only one sticking is USB-A, as Windows laptops are still sporting them.
I get what you are saying but I have other devices outside of the Apple eco-system that charge via USB-C
It does make sense to use the USB-C to charge your MBP if you're hooking it to a display or dock. If I was using it as a laptop no way because MagSafe is so much better mainly because it won't yank the cord or laptop.
I wish the iPhone would have real a MagSafe port like the Mac but it would drive the Apple haters and people who for some reason think proprietary is a four letter word absolutely insane. The thing about "Everyone must do the same thing" is it stifles innovation. There is no reason and no competition for Apple or anyone else to make a better connection. We'll just use this acceptable but mediocre solution. Can you imagine if they said all cars had to be the same. Everyone would drive a minivan. That's what USB-C is.
Don't get me wrong I understand the concept behind having one cord to charge everything but if the "must use what everyone else is using" people got their way back in the day the iPhone would have been micro USB. It was the so called standard and absolutely terrible. I'm in the camp of it's a good thing sometimes but lets not force it. Let the consumer decide. If USB-C is really an important thing then Apple will see this in lost sales to USB-C phones.
Don't forget Apple TV remotes, mice, keyboards all using lightning for whatever reason. Now... none of those devices need fast charging or transfer speeds, and there's a little revenue pickup with lightning cables sold I suppose... but phones with a Pro label are in need of serious charge and data transfer should be getting the best of the best considering the cost.
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You are exactly right and this crowd should all know it too. We've basically seen this very same movie countless times before and it always plays out the same way.
I'm talking about USB-C as a standard. There's a misconception when people talked about USB-C, they assumed it's also USB3. USB-C is just a connector. It can be used with USB2 standard. Pretty much all mid-range Android phones that use USB-C are USB2. The faster data transfer is USB3/Thunderbolt, and that's a separate controller. USB-C is just the physical connector. Just because something is USB-C doesn't automatically means it's USB3 capable. Plenty of USB-C cables are just USB2 cables and doesn't support USB3 speed nor USB-PD.
Luckily with Apple, at least they already adopt USB-PD and USB3/Thunderbolt alongside USB-C.
I understand that. I have a POS android phone for a work phone and it's USB-C. I mean having to carry an extra cable is sort of annoying but not the end of the world. My biggest issue with USB-C is if we force it by some government law and five years from now technology improves where there could be something better it's going to hold things back. I think this is going to become a non issue within five years as the iPhone will be portless.
I think fast charging probably degrades the battery's useful life more rapidly than the slower charging speeds of wireless charging. I tend to buy a new iPhone every year and for the past several years I've been fast charging them. 25 watts of speed or so when the battery is less than 80% charged.
However, with the Iphone 13 Pro Max, this is the first year that I've used wireless charging nearly exclusively (Magsafe). According to my USB-c tester, the phone charges much more slowly than 25 watts... it charges between 12-15 watts peak and then slows down dramatically above 80%. And this is also the first time that my new iPhone's battery life is still more than 100% more than 8 months in. According to CoconutBattery, I have 103% battery life remaining which is good. I believe fast charging puts a strain on the battery and causes it to lose life more quickly. Could be anecdotal but still I just wanted to point it out.
I still wonder will the "regular" iPhone 14 stay with Lightning but the iPhone 14 Pro models go USB Type C with Thunderbolt 3/USB 3.1 support.
I doubt they would do that. It would make things more complicated. Maybe the regular iPhone 14 would be MagSafe wireless charging only but the downside is Apple would have to include a MagSafe puck in the box. I don't think they would want to incur this extra cost.
At least it's one less thing the green bubble people have to worry about.... ?
Unfortunately I feel like it's part and parcel of Tim Cook's Apple. They used to be proud to put the latest technologies into the iPhone where it mattered, like Bluetooth and Wi-Fi, they were on the forefront of the best display tech with Retina, even Lightning was an amazing connector when it came out & for the next few years. After 2012 well... It took a long time for iPhone to switch to OLED compared to it's competitors, now we hear the same song with USB-C, they still haven't put Wi-Fi 6E inside their flagship, the software quality isn't what it used to be... The difference is striking if you've been using Apple products for more than a decade.
You just trying to negate what is going to happen. USB-C is jus a port and is capable of handling lots of different things - bit what Apple is going to implement is the same they already implement with the iPad.
Further more - Lightning will be scrapped. It will also vanish from keyboards, trackpads and everything else - it is dead …
Historically, Apple have been the least offender. There have only been 3 standards over 20 years for iPod/iPhone charging - FireWire, 30 Pin and Lightning, all of which have used charging bricks with detachable Firewire or USB cables. I've re-used Apple chargers with all sorts of non-Apple devices, and don't throw them away because they're useful. The problem is the EU's silly fixation on what physical socket manufacturers put on their devices (leading to all sorts of hand-wavy exceptions for watches, wireless charging etc.) rather than simply ensuring that you could re-purpose the power brick by changing the cable.
In the bad old days, every phone came with a proprietary connector - sometimes unique to that model, let alone brand - and a power brick with a captive cable. It's much better now, but I'm really not sure if that is thanks to the EU or just that phones switched to USB when syncing them with computers became a thing.
What they need to do now is crack down on bundling power bricks with new devices (and not just phones, every bit of electronics that comes with a wall-wart) - I've got a drawer full of perfectly good USB power supplies and mostly use a multi-port USB hub/charger rather than faffing about with individual bricks. Not including an adapter with new iPhones makes perfect sense - if Apple abuses that to sneak in a stealth price rise, that's between them and their customers.
The reason why I say this is because Apple already includes the 1 meter USB Type C to USB Type C cable with the iPad Pro models. They'll just increase production from authorized suppliers to support the iPhone 14 Pro models.