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Next year's iPhone 17 series will feature processors made using TSMC's enhanced N3P 3-nanometer chip technology, but only iPhone 18 Pro models in 2026 are likely to use the Taiwanese chipmaker's next-generation 2nm processor technology because of cost concerns, according to Apple analyst Ming-Chi Kuo.

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The terms "3nm" and "2nm" describe generations of chip manufacturing technology, each with its own set of design rules and architecture. As these numbers decrease, they generally indicate smaller transistor sizes. Smaller transistors allow more to be packed onto a single chip, typically resulting in increased processing speed and improved power efficiency.

Last year, Apple adopted 3-nanometer chips for its iPhones and Macs. Both the A17 Pro chip in the iPhone 15 Pro models and the M3 series chips in Macs are built on the 3-nanometer node, an upgrade over the prior 5nm node. This year's iPhone 16 series uses an A18 chip which is built using a second-generation 3-nanometer process, so it is more efficient and faster than the A16 Bionic chip used in the iPhone 15 models.

TSMC plans to start manufacturing 2nm chips in late 2025, and Apple is expected to be the first company to receive chips built on the new process. TSMC is building two new facilities to accommodate 2nm chip production, and working on approval for a third. TSMC generally builds new fabs when it needs to increase production capacity to handle significant orders for chips, and TSMC is expanding in a major way for 2nm technology.

TSMC is investing billions in this new chip technology, while Apple must adapt its chip designs accordingly. As TSMC's largest customer, Apple usually gets priority access to the latest chips. For instance, in 2023, Apple purchased all of TSMC's initial 3-nanometer chip production for its iPhones, iPads, and Macs. This partnership often allows Apple to integrate cutting-edge semiconductor technology into its products before competitors.

In between the ‌3nm‌ and 2nm nodes, TSMC will introduce several new ‌3nm‌ improvements. TSMC has already come out with N3E and N3P chips that are enhanced ‌3nm‌ processes, and there are other chips in the works such as N3X for high performance computing and N3AE for automotive applications.

Article Link: Kuo: iPhone 17 to Use 3nm Chip Tech, iPhone 18 Pro Models to Use 2nm
 
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I’m hoping that the adoption of 3 nm technology in the new iPhones will make a meaningful impact on battery life

I saw this article from 2022 that talked about a 35% increase in energy efficiency in the potential use of the 3 nm chips:

 
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A month or two ago it was "yeah, iPhone 16 (pro), here it comes, lets upgrade"
A week or two ago it was "iPhone 16 (pro) only has 8GB of RAM, boohoo, will wait for 17, where the pros get more RAM for AI!"
And now "Oh no, iPhone 17 will not get 2nm chips, wait for the iPhone 18!"

And the waiting continues ... :-D
 
beware - there will always be progress - that's an intrinsic factor in technology.

BUT there are times when that progress makes quantum leaps like with the M4 in the iPad PRO 2024 or the A12X in the iPad PRO 2018 or the M1 MAX in the MacBook Pro or the S10 in the Apple Watch 10 ...

It is important to understand these leaps in technology for doing an educated decision when buying technology relevant things.

Just completed the Geekbench AI tests on my M4 iPP and the leap in Software from iPadOS 17.6.1 to 18.0 is very impressive - we'll probably see that kind of progress not only in HW but also in future SW while Apple is ironing out the routines to address ML in the new devices.

Here're my results for the M4 ( which is kind of the first generation of the new chips found in future devices )

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We can expect not only SW but also HW to improve significantly with the 2 nm process and that will be definitely my next iPhone.

Apple has just begun to optimize SW and HW for ML and with the next generation of iPhone SoCs the leap will be very significant again - probably the biggest leap in efficiency for a long time


edit: The A18 in the current new iPhone shares the NE with the M4 and the new NE will just get better
 
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beware - there will always be progress - that's an intrinsic factor in technology.

BUT there are times when that progress makes quantum leaps like with the M4 in the iPad PRO 2024 or the A12X in the iPad PRO 2018 or the M1 MAX in the MacBook Pro or the S10 in the Apple Watch 10 ...

It is important to understand these leaps in technology for doing an educated decision when buying technology relevant things.

Just completed the Geekbench AI tests on my M4 iPP and the leap in Software from iPadOS 17.6.1 to 18.0 is very impressive - we'll probably see that kind of progress not only in HW but also in future SW while Apple is ironing out the routines to address ML in the new devices.

Here're my results for the M4 ( which is kind of the first generation of the new chips found in future devices )

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We can expect not only SW but also HW to improve significantly with the 2 nm process and that will be definitely my next iPhone.

Apple has just begun to optimize SW and HW for ML and with the next generation of iPhone SoCs the leap will be very significant again - probably the biggest leap in efficiency for a long time
These improvements of course assume you didn't brick you M4 iPad when upgrading to iPadOS 18 🙃
 
I’m hoping that the adoption of 3 nm technology in the new iPhones will make a meaningful impact on battery life

I saw this article from 2022 that talked about a 35% increase in energy efficiency in the potential use of the 3 nm chips:

We have some benchmarks that tend to show that this is not happening. A18Pro GPU is a bit faster than A17Pro GPU... but uses more energy as well.

So basically, the industry is hitting a wall where new processes are only a bit better but also a lot more expensive.
AMD/NVidia still using 4nm in 2025 is wild. For intel, it's even worse as they will soon transition to TSMC to get one (hopefully) good product out at last. PC CPU using north of 250W is wild. Top end GPU using 450W+ is wild (and stupid).

Phones can't go the "let's use more power" route much more than what they already do (with phones using graphene sheets and vapor chambers...) We'll get small improvements, that's for sure. But we're already in the age of "very small incremental updates".
 
Saying "We have most advanced and fastest chip than any other competition" in presentation is nothing apple specific, its just about who's gonna pay TSMC more money.
 
We have some benchmarks that tend to show that this is not happening. A18Pro GPU is a bit faster than A17Pro GPU... but uses more energy as well.

So basically, the industry is hitting a wall where new processes are only a bit better but also a lot more expensive.
AMD/NVidia still using 4nm in 2025 is wild. For intel, it's even worse as they will soon transition to TSMC to get one (hopefully) good product out at last. PC CPU using north of 250W is wild. Top end GPU using 450W+ is wild (and stupid).

Phones can't go the "let's use more power" route much more than what they already do (with phones using graphene sheets and vapor chambers...) We'll get small improvements, that's for sure. But we're already in the age of "very small incremental updates".
stop using that wccftech as a source...if we look at Gfx everything now has motion/lightning and to have 2x ray tracing in A18pro...is a good leap forward..also look at the A18 vs A8 pro where the A18 pro has double the cache !H265 encode performance seems to be 2x faster for example is like A18 pro is an entire new chip
 
OH CRAP!!! We have to wait for Fall of 2026 to get a 2nm Apple Silicon iPhone ?????

Most likely the same with the Macs. 2026 for 2nm Chips.

Is Mac Rumors still gonna be around???

Because 2025 is gonna be one BORING YEAR for NEW APPLE PRODUCTS!!!
 
OH CRAP!!! We have to wait for Fall of 2026 to get a 2nm Apple Silicon iPhone ?????

Most likely the same with the Macs. 2026 for 2nm Chips.

Is Mac Rumors still gonna be around???

Because 2025 is gonna be one BORING YEAR for NEW APPLE PRODUCTS!!!
yes, they will have articles about whats coming to iphones 20, or about samsung and other tech companies
 
Even without "Kuo", I was expecting next phone to be based on N3P and than N2. :) They can squeeze more perf + it will be cheaper. God knows how crazy expensive N2 will be.
 
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Getting to 2nm with great yield and more importantly under 2nm is an expansive and slow process not because of either Apple or TSMC but because of ASML. TSMC needs new gens machine to mass produce 2nm and under.
Only one machine in the world is able to do that efficiently enough and it's the TWINSCAN EXE: 5000 from ASML. TSMC has to rapidly replace their existing 0.33 NA EUV machines (NXE systems) with the new 0.55 NA one (EXE systems)

Intel bought almost all these new gens units (6-12 produced per year) to try to have a competitive edge for their new Intel 18A (1.8nm) fab.
This means TSMC will not have enough ASML machines/time to mass produce a 2nm ship for an iPhone in Q3 2025
 
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stop using that wccftech as a source...if we look at Gfx everything now has motion/lightning and to have 2x ray tracing in A18pro...is a good leap forward..also look at the A18 vs A8 pro where the A18 pro has double the cache !H265 encode performance seems to be 2x faster for example is like A18 pro is an entire new chip
wccftech is not the source, it's just an outlet that happens to write in english. And no one is saying that A18 Pro is worse than A17 Pro. Like you said, it has new features and a slightly better node process. It's better. But how much better when you're dealing with "legacy" stuff is more and more debatable.
 
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BUT there are times when that progress makes quantum leaps like with the M4 in the iPad PRO 2024 or the A12X in the iPad PRO 2018 or the M1 MAX in the MacBook Pro or the S10 in the Apple Watch 10 ...
Wait, what? the S10? I thought it had barely any changes …
 
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beware - there will always be progress - that's an intrinsic factor in technology.

BUT there are times when that progress makes quantum leaps like with the M4 in the iPad PRO 2024 or the A12X in the iPad PRO 2018 or the M1 MAX in the MacBook Pro or the S10 in the Apple Watch 10 ...

It is important to understand these leaps in technology for doing an educated decision when buying technology relevant things.

Just completed the Geekbench AI tests on my M4 iPP and the leap in Software from iPadOS 17.6.1 to 18.0 is very impressive - we'll probably see that kind of progress not only in HW but also in future SW while Apple is ironing out the routines to address ML in the new devices.

Here're my results for the M4 ( which is kind of the first generation of the new chips found in future devices )

View attachment 2421247

We can expect not only SW but also HW to improve significantly with the 2 nm process and that will be definitely my next iPhone.

Apple has just begun to optimize SW and HW for ML and with the next generation of iPhone SoCs the leap will be very significant again - probably the biggest leap in efficiency for a long time


edit: The A18 in the current new iPhone shares the NE with the M4 and the new NE will just get better
What's the quantum leap in S10? playing music?
S10 = S9 = T8310
 
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