Kuo: 'iPhone SE 2' Entering Mass Production in January and Launching at the End of March

[Slash787]

That is exactly what is rumored for next year. The Pro is getting a little smaller, 5.8”—>5.4”. It’ll be slightly less wide and a little less tall than the 6/7/8. The notch is rumored to be somewhat smaller. But it’s likely to be around $999.

For $999 they better give the base storage as 128GB

 

[Zagor13]

Sure it's easy to use one handed, but terrible to write accurately and efficiently. The smaller screen gives you a smaller keyboard and barely any space to see what you're writing.

The iPhone 8 size is still useable with one hand, and with it you get a larger keyboard and larger display. Sure the weight will be a little more but we're talking about a 30 gram or so difference, if that's a deal breaker then maybe you should hit the gym.

I like the SE but some of you hardcore fanboys of the phone need to get over it. The SE was a one time thing and there will never be another 4" screen sized iPhone again. It's time to move on.

I get you and thats why Apple should have different sizes for all and they are missing the small size that many of us like; I write for example with 0.3mm pencil, sometimes 0.2mm but many prefer 0.9mm or even woodecased pencil as they cannot see well or whatever other reason but we are all different and it is good to have choices in sizes. It has nothing to do with gym but your eyes maybe need glasses or whatever. I have larger hands and have no issue with keyboard thus I suspect your eye vision which is easy to fix or just use larger font or different keyboard.

Also many of us are just occasional email users (I leave most of that for home computer) and occasional text as I don't text all day like I see people (they look like they have no life) while walking they stare at their phone and text like zombies like hey they are some important individual who cannot wait to answer that text you know some smart person inventing how to save the earth or something its pathetic.

 

[michaelahlers]

One last appeal Tim before you enter mass production. Its not that we want cheap, we want small! You’ve got the iPhone pro, how about the iPhone mini? I’ve hung on to my SE because I like to go running without a brick in my pocket.

I'm also frustrated at this trend towards bigger and bigger phones. Back in September 2018, when the iPhone SE stopped selling, I penned the following letter to Tim Cook. Most of these go ignored, but I've updated it and maybe it's worth sharing for others to submit, as well.

Dear Mr. Cook,

Thank you in advance for taking the time to read my letter.

Over more than a decade, I've purchased for myself and family dozens of Apple products, including desktops, laptops, phones, and accessories to match. Apple's industry-leading design and craftsmanship inspire intense brand loyalty, and I enthusiastically take every opportunity to recommend your company's products for both professional and personal uses. While I've routinely applauded Apple's willingness to shed legacies from its products in pursuit of exciting new features, I remain disappointed by the iPhone SE's elimination from Apple's lineup.

The market clearly demands phones with big displays, and it is, of course, reasonable Apple should eagerly supply that demand. But for myself and—I'm inclined to believe—millions of others the iPhone SE is nearly perfect in its form and function. Its aesthetics are attractive. It can be gripped comfortably and operated with one hand. It fits easily in a pocket.

I have tried one of Apple's larger phones (an iPhone 6s) and found its form factor awkward, and returned it after a week. I couldn't get used to it. Having owned almost every iPhone model from the original up to the SE, I haven't wanted for much more besides updated processor and memory specifications. With Apple now only offering what I feel are miniature tablets, I'm suddenly reliant on a dwindling aftermarket supply of my favorite device.

As you've observed in your September 2018 keynote address, our phones are integral parts of our lives, and you've expressed Apple's desire to serve everyone with the iPhone. Such a personal device needs to fit well with an individual's needs, and I sincerely hope you'll reconsider serving this segment of the market. We're not customers clamoring for a lower price, just a smaller device.

Yours respectfully,

Michael Ahlers

 

[Focusx0131]

I think some people haven’t noticed how cramped it is to use an app on SE sized devices. I loved mine back in the heyday and still have two right now as backups but a lot of apps have assumed 4.7 is the base size and code apps accordingly.

Once people get their hands on it they will realize it scales up just enough to feel familiar and compact while not feeling claustrophobic.

 

[Baymowe335]

One last appeal Tim before you enter mass production. Its not that we want cheap, we want small! You’ve got the iPhone pro, how about the iPhone mini? I’ve hung on to my SE because I like to go running without a brick in my pocket.

Not enough people want small screens or they make it for you.

 

[CrazyForCashews]

It has nothing to do with gym but your eyes maybe need glasses or whatever. I have larger hands and have no issue with keyboard thus I suspect your eye vision which is easy to fix or just use larger font or different keyboard.

A perfect example of reading comprehension. You can't read properly.

In your previous post you complained about how a larger phone will be heavier, to which I replied an iPhone 8 is only about 30 grams heavier than the SE and if that's a deal breaker maybe you should hit the gym. But for some reason you mixed up going to the gym with needing glasses? LOL what the hell? This is the definition of irony, you say I need glasses when you can't even read properly.

Not ONCE did I mention that my issue with the SE was my vision or how my eyes were getting strained when using it. But I did say that my issue was it's small screen size and how it was hard to use the keyboard for writing anything because of its small size, and the small screen didn't allow you to see much of what you were writing.

🤦‍♂️

 

[44267547]

Is it me or he repeats the same stuff every month?

Sorta. But he (Kuo) is getting more specific/technical with details that he’s releasing every time the SE 2 is addressed. Now we’re talking about the end of March versus just the ‘first quarter’ for a potential release. Plus, we’re hearing more about the display to be manufactured by LG, antennas, ect. But one thing I think we can hypothesize, when you have this many rumor(s) from a credible source like Kuo, this pretty much affirms we will see the ‘SE 2’ no later than the end of March/April.

 

[eatrains]

Sure it's easy to use one handed, but terrible to write accurately and efficiently. The smaller screen gives you a smaller keyboard and barely any space to see what you're writing.

The iPhone 8 size is still useable with one hand, and with it you get a larger keyboard and larger display. Sure the weight will be a little more but we're talking about a 30 gram or so difference, if that's a deal breaker then maybe you should hit the gym.

I like the SE but some of you hardcore fanboys of the phone need to get over it. The SE was a one time thing and there will never be another 4" screen sized iPhone again. It's time to move on.

Except there's nothing to move on to...

 

[JohnStrass]

I have the iPhone 7 now, I guess I will just wait for the iPhone 2022 which I will buy in 2023. Make a small phone as the SE, if you want to make a phone as big as the 6/7/8 then shrink down the size of the iPhone 11 pro, If $500 is would be low for the Iphone 11 pro mini then I don't mind paying up to $700 for it.

This really does not satisfies me to upgrade my phone.

I would pay MORE for an “iPhone mini “
Remember the BMW 3 series was the first small compact expensive luxury sports car which had great consumer acceptance even though it was “not as much car for your money (based on size)”

 

[freddiebarnes]

This will be a great upgrade from my aging 6s. I really hope the rumors are true. Like the article mentions, I’m one of the people who have no desire for Face ID or multiple cameras on the back, or other bells and whistles I’ll never use. To Tim, the button was far better than the swipe.

The size is ok, I’m used to it now. Many websites don’t look good on the SE sized screen anymore, even though I still think 5/5s/SE were the best looking iPhones ever.

 

[CrazyForCashews]

Except there's nothing to move on to...

Sometimes you gotta compromise.

"Unfortunately" the refreshed 4.7" iPhone 8 will be the smallest and lightest up-to-date iPhone Apple will ever sell, and probably even the last of its kind (just like the SE size). Considering all of the rumoured tech features it will have, I'd say it would be a worthwhile compromise upgrading from the SE.

 

[Deepshade]

This design is ancient and too small. It really feels more like a way to get rid of old parts - awful. Do the job properly and design something contemporary and stop issuing new products with old designs and parts.

 

[Paddle1]

On a side note, you guys all begging for an even smaller phone, full featured may in fact get your wish, as rumors have the iPhone 12 Pro smaller at 5.4” next year with an even larger iPhone 12 Pro Max at 6.7”. A full screen 5.4” phone would be even smaller than the iPhone 6/7/8.

A lot of people seem to have missed this, this 4.7" phone is the entry-level phone. If you're looking for a small (and premium) phone you should keep an eye out for this 5.4" rumor. It would be smaller than an iPhone 6.

 

[smulji]

No Touch ID is interesting. I wonder if that means it will have Face ID. I can’t see it launching with no biometric security.

It says no 3D Touch. There will be TouchID

 

[az431]

One last appeal Tim before you enter mass production. Its not that we want cheap, we want small! You’ve got the iPhone pro, how about the iPhone mini? I’ve hung on to my SE because I like to go running without a brick in my pocket.

Tim Cook doesn't spend his time browsing forums for tips on how to run Apple.

And just FYI, an iPhone 8 weighs 1.3 ounces more than an iPhone SE. Hardly a brick.

 

[boccabella]

If Apple’s aim were to increase market share they wouldn't be selling the iPhone 8 for MORE than what Kuo claims this new phone will sell for.

 

[Freida]

Never had a drop out. Maybe blame your provider. In Europe I never had a dropout unless I was driving into a tunnel, taking an elevator or something that is expected.

I dread an iPhone with a notch on the front, a bump on the back, and of course the disappearance of the headphone jack. So it's not really an SE at all, folks. It's just another iPhone that won't fit in your pants pockets. It will probably continue with Apple's fine tradition of poor cellular phone-call quality / drop-outs, etc., though, since no one apparently cares about using the iPhone to make phone calls... but to only take photos.

 

[Lucas284]

I really don’t think that it’s gonna be $399. I mean, we’re talking about Apple here.

 

[Jimmy James]

One last appeal Tim before you enter mass production. Its not that we want cheap, we want small! You’ve got the iPhone pro, how about the iPhone mini?
I’ve hung on to my SE because I like to go running without a brick in my pocket.

This is exactly right. I don’t understand how size = features.

I don’t want to skimp on vehicle features, either. Even if I don’t want a one tonne truck.

 

[hagjohn]

If it isn't full screen, then that is a minus in my book.

 

[Porco]

I think some people haven’t noticed how cramped it is to use an app on SE sized devices. I loved mine back in the heyday and still have two right now as backups but a lot of apps have assumed 4.7 is the base size and code apps accordingly.

Once people get their hands on it they will realize it scales up just enough to feel familiar and compact while not feeling claustrophobic.

Maybe some people, but I used an iPhone 6 from launch and an iPad every single day. I’m pretty sure I have a fair idea of what larger screen iOS feels like. I prefer the SE size for my phone.

 

[neliason]

I own an SE and don’t plan on upgrading unless I can get a similarly smaller sized phone. I use my phone as a phone, for podcasts, pictures music, texting, short emails, and quick web searches. I simply don’t need a larger phone and the SE size absolutely fits my needs. And I certainly don’t want to carry around something large that adds absolutely nothing (for me) by being larger.

If there isn’t a smaller Apple phone I’ll hold on to my SE as long as I can. So Apple won’t be getting any money from me with their larger phone lineup. I‘m not alone. How much of a market we constitute I don’t know.

 

[majkom]

Oh and btw, the best would be copy of s10e - give me ip8 body, all screen and touch id in power button, but apple wont do that, shame
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I own an SE and don’t plan on upgrading unless I can get a similarly smaller sized phone. I use my phone as a phone, for podcasts, pictures music, texting, short emails, and quick web searches. I simply don’t need a larger phone and the SE size absolutely fits my needs. And I certainly don’t want to carry around something large that adds absolutely nothing (for me) by being larger.

If there isn’t a smaller Apple phone I’ll hold on to my SE as long as I can. So Apple won’t be getting any money from me with their larger phone lineup. I‘m not alone. How much of a market we constitute I don’t know.

Like 0.x%, sorry mate

 

[dogslobber]

How long has this person been saying this? Three years.

 

[44267547]

I really don’t think that it’s gonna be $399. I mean, we’re talking about Apple here.

It’ll probably be higher than $399, I’m thinking somewhere probably about $500 to $550 at the most. But still, if you look at Apple’s iPhone line up, that still relatively affordable considering no really other smart phone manufacturer is offering a Phone at that price, considering what It will probably offer in terms of ‘tech soecs’ in addition.
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How long has this person been saying this? Three years.

Can you link any articles that’s been ‘three years’ ago saying anything about the specs of this phone being released? I doubt you could. The reality is, it’s obviously coming to fruition now, and we can pretty much expect it in the first quarter for 2020.