Kuo: iPhone SE 2 Launching in Q1 2020 with A13 at $399 Price

[Elitegate]

Incorrect fact. I would pay “real iPhone money” (think: $700+) if it got me a new 4” phone. That’s how much I despise larger phones.

Sent from my iPhone SE

Apple released the SE because they wanted to offer a cheaper, true budget iPhone. That was Apple‘s intention behind the SE. Not because of the 4“ size, they just had a lot of 5s parts that they wanted to use.

Today the SE is loved because of it‘s size, yes, not so much because of it’s price. But that was not what Apple had in mind in March 2016, which is why this new SE is based off the iPhone 8 and it's larger than 4" which the SE owners apparently do not want.

 

[Elitegate]

Yeah... if the SE is junk then 6s is also junk since it's basically the same phone. furthermore, it can be argued that all other iphones are junk too since their year-to-year improvement is barely noticeable apart from the camera (not my opinion but many people say so)

I think he meant it's junk because of it's tiny and outdated size, and not because of the internals. The SE / 6s internals aren't junk, because they are still capable of running iOS 13 and a 6s or SE is still a pretty solid phone. The SE is just small. Too small, if you ask me. Trust me, if only enough people wanted a refreshed 4" phone, Apple would develop one. Most customers are just happy with their iPhone 6/6s/7/8 or X/Xs/11 Pro or Xr/11, or Plus or Max sized iPhone.

Android phones offer even more choice, because there are many more manufacturers and Android smartphones, but find me an Android phone (a current model, with decent enough specs) with the dimensions of the SE. I don't think it exists. It's just outdated.

Why do you think the 6 and 6 Plus sold 220 million units? Because people were desperate for larger screens. If you compare the 5s with 6 or 6 Plus, the only real upgrade was the screen and the phone's dimensions. Hardware-wise, they didn't really improve. Camera had the same MP, and the A8 chip wasn't really faster than the A7 used in the 5s. Same old 1,2 MP Front Facing Camera, and first gen Touch ID. Same 1 GB of RAM which is why those phones do not get iOS 13 anymore. The 6s is the phone the 6 should have been, that one brought real improvement.

 

[Porco]

"For some people, they simply love smaller phones. They want the most compact iPhone design."

 

[mag33]

I agree @Elitegate. People who think the market for a 4" phone is big are deluded. The price tag is what matters most.

 

[Elitegate]

"For some people, they simply love smaller phones. They want the most compact iPhone design."

That was in March 2016. It's now almost 2020.

And while Apple did came up with the "smaller phone" argument in their keynote, they avoided words like "budget", "cheap", or "entry-level". Instead they used "price-sensitive". If Apple does a budget iPhone, it's design is based off an older model with a smaller form factor it seems. Right now, such phone would be based off the iPhone 8. Back then, it was based of the 5s, when they had the 6s and 6s Plus as their flagship (which were larger). iPhone 11 and 11 Pro those are the current flagships and to no surprise, they are larger than the iPhone 7 or 8. The 5c also was based off the iPhone 5, just in a plastic case.

With all respect, but if you can't adapt to the 4.7" iPhone 8, why even bother? Honestly these phones are compact, very compact. I had my 6s for 3 years and zero problems using it with one hand, and i have tiny little hands. My hands are not larger than my current 8 Plus, and still i love my phone. I understand not everyone wants the Plus or Max-sized phablet, and even if the iPhone X/Xs/11 Pro is too big, you still can buy the iPhone 8. With updated internals, A13 chip, more RAM. For 399$. Doesn't that sound good?

I do not hate the 4" form factor or the iPhone SE, and i would be happy for those who really want another 4" iPhone if Apple does decide to bring it back - but i do not see it happening, because the market just isn't there anymore. There's a market for a low-cost 4.7" entry-level iPhone like the (updated) iPhone 8 it seems, but not for the 4" SE. A couple people on MacRumors complaining about the lack of a 4" iPhone, that's a couple hundred people at most. Millions of people must want a phone like that in order for Apple to make them.

 

[Porco]

That was in March 2016. It's now almost 2020.

People keep saying, wrongly, that Apple only introduced/made the iPhone SE to be a low-cost option - that it was the only reason. The evidence is to the contrary, so people should stop saying it like it's a fact, which it isn't. Obviously the price of product is something that most companies will consider. But it's this ridiculous attempt to re-write history and claim the only reason Apple made the SE was about a low-pricepoint and/or to use up some mythical mountain of iPhone 5 parts in an Indiana Jones warehouse that needs to stop unless and until such time it can be backed up with actual tangible evidence rather than mere supposition.

If it is one's opinion or theory that the iPhone SE was only about price that's fine - it's a discussion and people can debate the merits of the argument. But people should stop stating it as a fact, or they should cite actual evidence to back up the claim, as per forum rules.

(from "MacRumors Rules for Appropriate Debate")...

Debate

Guidelines: Be willing to engage in fact-based, constructive debate. Look for ways to inform and learn from others.

Rules:

1. Sources. If you claim that something's a fact, back it up with a source. If you can't produce evidence when someone asks you to cite your sources, we may remove your posts. If you started the thread, then we may remove or close the thread.

That's all I was saying with the picture and quote from Apple's introduction of the iPhone SE.

 

[JOBS-3:16]

Says the person who sleeps with their SE because it helps them sleep at night...

Nice try, but I would never own that garbage dump of an iPhone

 

[realmikehardy]

This thread makes a market? Again, it’s not about would people buy an SE, but would they not buy another iPhone because they were so in love with a tiny form factor?

The answer is clearly a resounding no and it doesn’t stop with just Apple. Literally no major manufacturer makes a small form factor phone. Not enough people want it and/or they are just as happy buying something with a larger screen.

If people wanted it in large enough numbers, it’d exist.

Lol, k. If the point behind the apparent snobbery was to ask if we’d buy the “bigger SE2” or switch to Android, then for me that’s easy because I prefer iOS: stick with SE till EOL, then go SE2. But still, there are clearly a lot of people eager to pay a premium for smaller phones than are being offered. If you prefer a different word than market then fine, whatever.

 

[hunter_a]

Where's the Face ID?

 

[Elitegate]

People keep saying, wrongly, that Apple only introduced/made the iPhone SE to be a low-cost option - that it was the only reason. The evidence is to the contrary, so people should stop saying it like it's a fact, which it isn't. Obviously the price of product is something that most companies will consider. But it's this ridiculous attempt to re-write history and claim the only reason Apple made the SE was about a low-pricepoint and/or to use up some mythical mountain of iPhone 5 parts in an Indiana Jones warehouse that needs to stop unless and until such time it can be backed up with actual tangible evidence rather than mere supposition.

If it is one's opinion or theory that the iPhone SE was only about price that's fine - it's a discussion and people can debate the merits of the argument. But people should stop stating it as a fact, or they should cite actual evidence to back up the claim, as per forum rules.

(from "MacRumors Rules for Appropriate Debate")...



That's all I was saying with the picture and quote from Apple's introduction of the iPhone SE.

That was my opinion, i am just sharing my thoughts. I am not trying to convince you to believe otherwise, you are entitled to your own opinion. It just makes more sense to me, otherwise we would have already seen a 4" successor of the SE. See, Apple is apparently giving us another budget iPhone that sells for 399$ (that's the rumor) but it's based on the 4.7" 8, so not a real SE. Apple sure knows that some people want another 4" phone, so why won't they make one? If Apple cared so much about compact and small phones, how come it's missing in their line-up?

However, i think you can now say it's a fact that the iPhone SE is now popular because of it's compact size, yes, and not because of it's budget pricing. Some would pay 1000$ for another 4" iPhone (with an all-screen design + Face ID, of what i have read...)

 

[myrtlebee]

I love my SE too, but SE and 6S are next in line to be left behind, so there’s your reason.

It's not a reason for me until it happens. Until then, it runs the latest version of iOS, so that's my point.

 

[Billyk711]

Apple is planning on releasing an iPhone SE 2 in the first quarter of 2020 and starting at a $399 price point, according to the latest research report from reliable Apple analyst Ming-Chi Kuo.

Kuo goes into more detail about the expected specs of the so called "iPhone SE 2" in the latest research note obtained by MacRumors. Specs for the new low-end iPhone are said to include:
[*]A13 CPU (same as iPhone 11)[*]3GB LPDDR4X[*]64GB and 128GB options[*]Space Gray, Silver and Red colors[*]No 3D TouchKuo expects the new iPhone SE 2 will be a popular upgrade option for existing iPhone 6 and iPhone 6S owners.

Despite being referred to as a "iPhone SE 2" by Kuo, the analyst expects the form factor of Apple's new budget iPhone to be similar to the iPhone 8.

Article Link: Kuo: iPhone SE 2 Launching in Q1 2020 with A13 at $399 Price

I predict Apple will come out with iPhone 11s next year with a new chip new cameras and better performance, take that kuo

 

[benlukes]

Apple released the current SE because they wanted to milk the assembly line of their investment for iPhone 5s until the last drop. The same will happen to the assembly line of the iPhone 6/7/8 investment.
We’re talking tim cook here. His job is to make maximum profit.

Great point.

 

[FrozenDarkness]

Incorrect fact. I would pay “real iPhone money” (think: $700+) if it got me a new 4” phone. That’s how much I despise larger phones.

Sent from my iPhone SE

Do you know how to evaluate sentences? Because unless you literally are Tim Apple himself, what you want doesn’t contradict my statement.

 

[mag33]

Apple released the current SE because they wanted to milk the assembly line of their investment for iPhone 5s until the last drop. The same will happen to the assembly line of the iPhone 6/7/8 investment.
We’re talking tim cook here. His job is to make maximum profit.

Why single out Tim Cook. Every other smartphone company is doing exactly the same. You do what's more profitable as a businessman, not what a small fraction of people want. Android people aren't making small phones either.

I've never seen many SE's in the wild- not now and not after the premiere, but 6, 6s, 7 and 8 were wildly popular so it makes sense from their POV to recycle that slightly bigger line of cases.
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"For some people, they simply love smaller phones. They want the most compact iPhone design."

That's just an excuse for milking the 5s assembly line. Maximum profit, minimum effort. Why would you suddenly believe what Apple says? Just because they say something, doesn't mean they MEAN it.

 

[leftoverbacon]

If it hasn't been mentioned before, Apple, DO THIS!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1181688574975983616

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I've never seen many SE's in the wild-

Funny, I see quite a few. I'm on my 3rd replacement SE, and I know several folks who will switch to Android if Apple completely abandons the small form factor.

 

[ignatius345]

- 3D Touch
- Headphone jack
- 4.0” screen
...all dead. No future appearance in a new iPhone.

Home button, and the inefficient wasted space of large top/bottom bezels, likely to make one final curtain call in the SE2, just to cut cost.

OK, troll, thanks for enlightening us.

In case you haven't noticed, people in the real world are still using devices with these features. And given that this thread is about a rumored successor to the iPhone SE, people's wishes for said phone (real or theoretical) are relevant. And, personally, I could give a dog's wet ass what you think about my phone's headphone jack or how all-in you are on Bluetooth becuase I still use the damn thing in situations where it's helpful.

But by all means, we all appreciate your pointing out the obvious and taking the time to crap on others' stated preferences while you're at it.

 

[neoelectronaut]

If it hasn't been mentioned before, Apple, DO THIS!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1181688574975983616

If this ran iOS I'd probably nab it. It looks so cool.
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I've never seen many SE's in the wild

That's because they actually fit in pockets.

 

[borgusio]

What’s with all the moaning? The iPhone 8 screen is only .7 of an inch bigger than the SE. The body is still tiny too.

Does everyone moaning have tiny baby hands? Lol. I find it hard to type properly without mistakes on little 4” screens now.

I can use the iPhone 11 Pro Max one handed and if anything I want an even bigger screen.

I believe I have normal hands and I am not able to type with one hand on phones bigger than the SE
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People keep saying, wrongly, that Apple only introduced/made the iPhone SE to be a low-cost option - that it was the only reason. The evidence is to the contrary, so people should stop saying it like it's a fact, which it isn't. Obviously the price of product is something that most companies will consider. But it's this ridiculous attempt to re-write history and claim the only reason Apple made the SE was about a low-pricepoint and/or to use up some mythical mountain of iPhone 5 parts in an Indiana Jones warehouse that needs to stop unless and until such time it can be backed up with actual tangible evidence rather than mere supposition.

If it is one's opinion or theory that the iPhone SE was only about price that's fine - it's a discussion and people can debate the merits of the argument. But people should stop stating it as a fact, or they should cite actual evidence to back up the claim, as per forum rules.

(from "MacRumors Rules for Appropriate Debate")...



That's all I was saying with the picture and quote from Apple's introduction of the iPhone SE.

I can confirm this. My GF could choose between 6s and SE at the same price and went for the SE due to the size. Money did not play a role.

 

[mag33]

If this ran iOS I'd probably nab it. It looks so cool.
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That's because they actually fit in pockets.

Oh come on! I still have the 6s and I think 4,7" is the perfect size, not too small & just big enough.

I think Apple will eventually make the X style bezel-less design in SE body but not yet, maybe in 2021. It's quite difficult to fit the newest intestines in such a small body.

 

[neoelectronaut]

Honestly, **** Apple for killing off the iPhone SE line.

My mother needs a new phone as she's using an iPhone 5c, and now she's forced into the iPhone 8. Problem is that she's seen and used my sister's iPhone 8 and thinks it's way too big. Problem is she doesn't really have a choice in the matter, just suck it up and deal with it.

 

[Elitegate]

Honestly, **** Apple for killing off the iPhone SE line.

My mother needs a new phone as she's using an iPhone 5c, and now she's forced into the iPhone 8. Problem is that she's seen and used my sister's iPhone 8 and thinks it's way too big. Problem is she doesn't really have a choice in the matter, just suck it up and deal with it.

Why not get her a SE in the meantime? Maybe the SE (and 6s) gets iOS 14...

 

[solarmon]

I rejected The 6, 7, 8 form factor ... does Apple survey their customers? No bigger than the current SE, please.

 

[Elitegate]

I rejected The 6, 7, 8 form factor ... does Apple survey their customers? No bigger than the current SE, please.

Actually they do. Of course they study the market, every company does exactly just that. Which is why there is no new 4" phone. This form factor is too small for 2019, who would buy that? Yes, i know, they are a few hundred or thousand SE lovers that want that size back. But the rest? Hundreds of millions of users? iPhone 6/6s/7/8, iPhone Xr/11, and the Plus and Max versions, they are just way more popular. A new 4" phone wouldn't sell enough for Apple to make them again. The market is so small it's just not worth it for Apple to bring this size back. What about Android? I don't think there's an Android phone with similar dimensions to the SE, not anymore. That time is over. If the market would be there, Apple would give us another 4" device.

 

[neoelectronaut]

Actually they do. Of course they study the market, every company does exactly just that. Which is why there is no new 4" phone. This form factor is too small for 2019, who would buy that? Yes, i know, they are a few hundred or thousand SE lovers that want that size back. But the rest? Hundreds of millions of users? iPhone 6/6s/7/8, iPhone Xr/11, and the Plus and Max versions, they are just way more popular. A new 4" phone wouldn't sell enough for Apple to make them again. The market is so small it's just not worth it for Apple to bring this size back. What about Android? I don't think there's an Android phone with similar dimensions to the SE, not anymore. That time is over. If the market would be there, Apple would give us another 4" device.

So "tough ****, deal with it" got it.