Kuo: iPhones With Under-Screen Touch ID Now Coming in 2023, Foldable iPhone in 2024

[CEmajr]

Regarding TouchID in the iPhone:
- It's obvious that it's coming back at some point. FaceID in itself was a compromise because they couldn't or didn't have the tech to implement TouchID into the screen for the iPhone X at the level of quality they deemed acceptable. No way Apple actually preferred to have a notch over a full screen display iPhone for their grand "iPhone X" redesign. The fact that it's still being used in all but their flagship product just means they haven't gotten to where they want it yet before putting it back in the phone.
- I think the reason they don't want to implement Touch ID on the side of the phone like the iPad is due to most people using cases on their phones. If the button is covered by most users then it's mostly useless. It will need to be in the screen display to be effective.

 

[code-m]

different form factor for one.
2nd, everything is "swipe up", so my thumb never is close to the power button anymore.
and Apple has not (thus far) added a Touch ID into a device that has Face ID

I have a case with a “lip” all around it has not impeded my use on iOS. Powe button TouchID can have a button or slot cut out. I do agree that Apple needs to lower/drop the power button on iPhone to the Center of the right side to make it more thumb friendly.

 

[BlairMALL]

based on what insight?)

Sorry, Alexandr. It was a snarky comment based on the many media reports that Tim Cook is facing a major problem with growing tension within the current Apple employee community who do not wish to return to work and would rather work from home. As folks were speculating on many potential things Apple could include on a future iPhone, I suggested that one feature might be a happier workforce. Lame, I know. But I couldn't help it.

 

[Scoob Redux]

I was going to respond buy @Luke MacWalker pretty much covered it all.

except his response covered exactly zero of my example cases.

 

[subjonas]

While Apple is at it can their implement any orientation FaceID 😃

What would be innovative is if Apple incorporates phone temporary disable with a facial expression and enable it as well, no requirement to press the power button to engage password unlock and it’s done in a subtle manner as to not draw attention.

What I want is a “Face ID passcode” option for ultimate security—a combo of 4-6 successive facial expressions chosen by the user (eg. frown, smile, frown, stick out tongue).

 

[subjonas]

If Apple released a 2022 SE that looks like the mini 13 except without FaceID and instead power button TouchID it would be interesting to see how consumers react.

I strongly prefer Touch ID and the smallest phone possible, so I would mostly likely buy this. The lower price of the SE would be a bonus, but I would prefer to pay more for a better camera system, higher storage, etc.

I was so hoping Touch ID would be implemented in the iPhone mini before it is discontinued. Doesn’t seem like that will be the case, but neither has happened yet, so who truly knows. Not that I’m looking to replace my SE1 yet, which I still consider the best phone (that’s still functional) on the planet today (for me). But eventually it will stop working, and a Touch ID iPhone mini would have been a much easier pill to swallow than a Face ID-only mini or a Touch ID larger phone.

 

[laptech]

A foldphone will not work for Apple because Apple customers expect near perfection from their products and there is no way Apple is going to be ble to produce a perfect foldphone.

 

[Nikita_K]

In addition to claiming that iPhone 14 Pro models will feature a hole-punch display design and a 48-megapixel Wide lens for the rear camera system, Apple analyst Ming-Chi Kuo outlined his expectations for future iPhones beyond that.

In a research note seen by MacRumors, Kuo said that while he previously predicted that Apple would launch its first iPhones with under-screen Touch ID in the second half of 2022, he now expects the devices to be released in the second half of 2023 due to slower than expected progress with development. Likewise, Kuo now expects Apple's first foldable iPhone to launch in 2024, compared to 2023 previously.

Kuo did not provide any further details, including which iPhone models might gain an under-screen fingerprint sensor. It's likely that under-screen Touch ID would complement Face ID, providing users with multiple biometric authentication options.

Article Link: Kuo: iPhones With Under-Screen Touch ID Now Coming in 2023, Foldable iPhone in 2024

Meanwhile I just want my SE2020 with slightly bigger battery, which is now just ok. I love simplicity of this device, Touch ID in the button is perfect for Apple Pay, far better than Face ID on my wife’s 12.

 

[seek3r]

does it have FaceID?

No…. What’s your point?

 

[seek3r]

If Apple released a 2022 SE that looks like the mini 13 except without FaceID and instead power button TouchID it would be interesting to see how consumers react.

I just bought a 13 mini because my 8 is starting to die, but if they somehow released that in 2022 it would be the fastest I’ve ever replaced a phone lol. My bet is there’s a good chance they will do that, but not next year, if they do that they’ll reuse the mini for the SE in 2023 or 2024, when it wont be competing with a just released phone in the same form factor

 

[George Dawes]

Considering how much I hate Touch ID , I’m glad I’m sticking with Face ID . Every single time I go you use my 8plus it fails to recognise my fingerprint. I may as well use my elbows .

 

[seek3r]

Considering how much I hate Touch ID , I’m glad I’m sticking with Face ID . Every single time I go you use my 8plus it fails to recognise my fingerprint. I may as well use my elbows .

The touchID sensors in my 2020 macbook air and ipad air are more reliable and much, much faster than the one in my iP8 (not that the one in my 8 isnt reliable, but these are even better), one assumes new phone fingerprint readers would be a similar trajectory

 

[cardfan]

A foldphone will not work for Apple because Apple customers expect near perfection from their products and there is no way Apple is going to be ble to produce a perfect foldphone.

Could be a duo like Microsoft’s for all I care. But any way you slice it, it opens up a higher tier for iPhones for apple to sell. The traditional form factor isn’t going away. I’m not sure why anyone is against it.

I’m open to it if it can enable new features. If all the future holds is slight camera upgrades then that’s not too exciting either.

 

[Zorori]

I think the reason they don't want to implement Touch ID on the side of the phone like the iPad is due to most people using cases on their phones. If the button is covered by most users then it's mostly useless. It will need to be in the screen display to be effective.

That would be a good reason FOR Apple to add Touch ID on the side. People have to buy new cases? Sounds like money to me.

 

[spinedoc77]

But you still have a device that is twice a thick and substantially heavier than most phones. Is there enough demand for a pocketable device like you describe? I guess we shall see.

Certainly valid points and trade offs which each consumer has to weigh. But the difference is not as great as you think. It is much thicker, but at the same time its more narrow so one handed use is much easier than say a Pro Max phone, and it fits into the pocket more easily because it's narrow. Weight it's not that big of a difference. 13 Pro max 240g vs Fold 3 271g. But more importantly Pro max + ipad mini 5 = 548g vs Fold 3 271g.

But still, those are valid points. Personally I don't think that is what is necessarily holding up the foldables market, IMO it's more the cost. If Samsung can get them under 1k I think they will be much more palatable to the general consumer, maybe at 1200 they can get some of the higher end market but 1k is probably better for the average consumer who can foot a $45 monthly payment. I also don't necessarily believe in "foldables" or that they are necessarily the future, or will be a consumer hit, but I do believe some from of shrinking phone will be. That is the future, because there is no way to enlarge phone screens anymore without having them somehow have a smaller footprint. Hopefully Apple uses their penchant to perfect paradigms and invents something new.

 

[spinedoc77]

I agree — at some point, the screen will fail — there is just no way around it. Do we even know how a humid/dry or hot/cold climate affects this? It seems like a complete waste of r&d. A flexible screen material is great if it stays in one position, but bending a screen constantly is a disaster waiting to happen.

There are tests, both from Samsung and independently, which show hundreds of thousands of folds before failure. I am too lazy to look up the numbers, but at 50-100 folds per day I think it worked out to like 6-10 years of life.

Seriously, the Fold series is MUCH more durable than people give it credit for, especially those who haven't even used one as a daily driver for some time. After having used one as my daily driver for a year, and I use my phones with no screen protectors or cases and heavily abuse them, my Fold 2 was in pristine condition.

 

[alexandr]

Sorry, Alexandr. It was a snarky comment based on the many media reports that Tim Cook is facing a major problem with growing tension within the current Apple employee community who do not wish to return to work and would rather work from home. As folks were speculating on many potential things Apple could include on a future iPhone, I suggested that one feature might be a happier workforce. Lame, I know. But I couldn't help it.

no no, i thought it may have had something to do with that)))) it does make sense, don't be hard on yourself!!)

 

[Razorpit]

If that was the direction Apple was going, they would have done it already. So for whatever Apples' rational is, they don't want to put touch id in the power button of the iphone.

It takes about 2 years for design/test/implementation/observation.

• iPad Air 4 was released only a year ago. Relatively small volume product compared to iPhone. Better to test the tech there than on a large scale release.
• They've only had one year to observe and make changes to any design issues.
• Power button TouchID was well in development before COVID was a thing. Now that it is, it has become exponentially harder to obtain anything in volume, especially newer technology, which this version of TouchID is.
• Look for a similar implementation of TouchID in either iPhone 14 or 15.

Regarding TouchID in the iPhone:
- It's obvious that it's coming back at some point. FaceID in itself was a compromise because they couldn't or didn't have the tech to implement TouchID into the screen for the iPhone X at the level of quality they deemed acceptable. No way Apple actually preferred to have a notch over a full screen display iPhone for their grand "iPhone X" redesign. The fact that it's still being used in all but their flagship product just means they haven't gotten to where they want it yet before putting it back in the phone.
- I think the reason they don't want to implement Touch ID on the side of the phone like the iPad is due to most people using cases on their phones. If the button is covered by most users then it's mostly useless. It will need to be in the screen display to be effective.

FaceID wasn't a compromise. FaceID was the future until we were suddenly and unexpectedly forced to wear face diapers.

except his response covered exactly zero of my example cases.

Well, take your virtual fingers out of your virtual ears and you'll see he did. Quite effectively I might add.

 

[svish]

Maybe TouchID under screen along with FaceID only for Pro series initially. Non pro iPhones may get it later.

Foldable iPhone - looking forward to it. Will surely be very expensive.

 

[iGüey]

A foldphone will not work for Apple because Apple customers expect near perfection from their products and there is no way Apple is going to be ble to produce a perfect foldphone.

To get started, perfection doesn’t exist in technology products, cause always will be a next generation that overcome the previous.

Having said the above, why do you believe Apple is not able to produce a near to perfect foldphone? Which are your arguments on this?

 

[laptech]

To get started, perfection doesn’t exist in technology products, cause always will be a next generation that overcome the previous.

Having said the above, why do you believe Apple is not able to produce a near to perfect foldphone? Which are your arguments on this?

The crease down the middle which shows up over time. When foldphones were first released and MR reported on it, immediatly a huge majority of MR members were in instant dislike to the noticable fold line that was present on the phone. It was noticable after test samples were given to a select few youtubers to try out in the realworld and whilst very faint, a crease fold was slightly noticeable and this immediatly put off MR members.

There is bound to be creases when you fold something often enough but for MR members, nope, not going to happen, has to be no creases what so ever, which implies as sense of 'i want perfection in an Apple product'.

 

[laptech]

Could be a duo like Microsoft’s for all I care. But any way you slice it, it opens up a higher tier for iPhones for apple to sell. The traditional form factor isn’t going away. I’m not sure why anyone is against it.

I’m open to it if it can enable new features. If all the future holds is slight camera upgrades then that’s not too exciting either.

Maybe Apple should look to making one of it's ipad's foldable and have mobile phone hardware installed into it, rather than trying to make a foldable iphone.

 

[code-m]

What I want is a “Face ID passcode” option for ultimate security—a combo of 4-6 successive facial expressions chosen by the user (eg. frown, smile, frown, stick out tongue).

What if you are having some facial spasm and your phone explodes or if someone tasers you and the phone unlocks 😝

 

[code-m]

I strongly prefer Touch ID and the smallest phone possible, so I would mostly likely buy this. The lower price of the SE would be a bonus, but I would prefer to pay more for a better camera system, higher storage, etc.

I was so hoping Touch ID would be implemented in the iPhone mini before it is discontinued. Doesn’t seem like that will be the case, but neither has happened yet, so who truly knows. Not that I’m looking to replace my SE1 yet, which I still consider the best phone (that’s still functional) on the planet today (for me). But eventually it will stop working, and a Touch ID iPhone mini would have been a much easier pill to swallow than a Face ID-only mini or a Touch ID larger phone.

The camera system of the iPhone 11 that probably does not cost much would suffice for most peoples needs. I like the telephoto lens hence I am stuck on the Pro line unfortunately.

 

[code-m]

I just bought a 13 mini because my 8 is starting to die, but if they somehow released that in 2022 it would be the fastest I’ve ever replaced a phone lol. My bet is there’s a good chance they will do that, but not next year, if they do that they’ll reuse the mini for the SE in 2023 or 2024, when it wont be competing with a just released phone in the same form factor

I suspect Apple knows that a mini sized SE phone with only TouchID would take away sales from the mini 13 but also the 13 but could also boost sales as a secondary phone till their get acknowledge to just place it in the power button and then figure the under display tech. Hubris of Tim Cook. 😛